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And mac users take vocal competiton forms.......right.....I'm just complaining about the ease of use of Adobe Audition.....jeez.....
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fangirl this is your 85th post in this thread. Please ask yourself "how much has your 20% of this thread contributed to the topic?".
 
^ How much did that comment do?
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Obviously nothing as you are still making pointless posts!

Actually. I've been enjoying the discussion, pity that it has gotten personal once or twice, but I have been getting tired of seeing comments that, on the face of it, add no value.

UD.


BTW: did you really get bored enough to count?
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p.s. not bored enough - irritated enough.
 
well 11 pages on and it's confirmed, don't buy a mac unless you've suffered severe head trauma

I do think my post on page 10 was amusing:

A technical comparison is NOT:

"I just wanted something different and umm someone said if I buy a mac I will be creative and special and furry and I will have friends and nanna will buy me a stuffed toy."
 

Vertigon, just leave it, you're obviously incapable of understanding simple English.
The fact that you're working is an utter shock to me as you have the mentality of a distressed teenager. You don't listen, because you know best. It's pathetic.
You obviously completely understand Apple's marketing, target audience etc. :sarcastic:

One thing I did find funny though, you said PCs have better hardware than Macs.... err hang on a moment there chump! What is inside a modern Mac? Oh yeah, an Intel chipset mobo, an Intel CPU, an ATi or Nvidia graphics card or Intel integrated grpahics chipset.... :sarcastic:
Grow up, don't be so pathetic and be more understanding of people. You don't know better, people have an opinion which no matter how much **** you spout at how Macs are unfortunate and wrong, makes utterly no difference.
I've had enough of you (not this subject) and I don't want to hear anymore.

Thanks! :hello:
 
^ Lukebird
You must realise Macs can still be called PCs as they are personal computers......lol
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Yes, sorry misuse of a word there.
What shall we call a modern Intel/AMD based computer then?
Unless we decide what they are called by the most common OS?
Hence I shall call them Windows computers! :lol:
 


Hmm personal attacks, isn’t that the mantra of Apple's attack ads? Seems to me you are exactly what Apple wants from their support base, mindless drone that doesn’t use facts but "emotion" "opinion" and "stereotypes".

Side note Mac as fun as it is, in no way is a superior product to its Wintel equivalent period. Why do I say this? Well because I do know, because I make it my business to know what’s good and what’s sub par. With the facts of next to nil software porting shows the zillion billion gazillion developers, programmers, designers don’t see anything in the Apple platform. Special interest groups might but there is always a closed door agreement with kick backs

Word, Playa.
 

Their advertising in the UK isn't based on personal attacks, but I do know what you mean.
If you had read my previous posts, you would have seen my dislike for them as much as the rest of the Windows fanboys. If I'm a "mindless drone" in your mind, so be it. I'm not going to try and dissuade you from your opinion, I have mine of you and I hope you're big enough to not get annoyed about that. Although I need not bring them into an argument, unlike yourself.
Anyway, I digress, I have explained on several posts (although off the top of my head, in no such detail in this thread as in others) why I have both a Windows based computer (thank you amdfangirl :)) and an OS X based Apple machine. I would explain it on this thread in more depth, but I have no such desire to get into a slanging match with Vertigon. I have asked him to drop the subject before it (inveitably) gets into a slanging match, but he doesn't want to. He can do what he likes. People on here are (generally) far too narrow minded to see beyond their Windows machines, that's fine, that's their opinion. I just wish I wasn't told everytime the fact I (and others on Tom's) have a Mac, that I was wrong to buy it, it's ****, I could have bought a better computer, I am a narrow-minded individual (the irony of which to those posters, is too much to describe! 😀). I already have PC exactly for what I want (and more) hence why I have both.
Thanks :)
 
"Vertigon, just leave it, you're obviously incapable of understanding simple English.
The fact that you're working is an utter shock to me as you have the mentality of a distressed teenager. You don't listen, because you know best. It's pathetic."

Lukebird you have posted similar throughout the previous pages but haven't in fact put forward solid worthwhile technical reasons as to why anyone should buy a mac. People have put forward some reasons, most of them not really significant.
My aim was simply understand why people buy macs, I couldn't find a technical one so I had to derive a psychological one with my limited psychological knowledge.
I discovered a number of reasons, whatever those reasons are it still gets people involved in computing, some of those people may have in fact given up completely if given a performance PC.
My new computer is an example.I am running a 4GB corsair DHX kit in a cosmos case with a gigabyte x48t-dq6 mainboard with a qx9650 cpu and a fx3700 card. Serious hardware considered by most people. Its running Vista 64 business. Most things have gone well, some things needed a work around, the modem needed the usb cable swapped to an ethernet. Nothing too big and no problems for someone computer savvy. But for a typical mac user: "WTF THE WORLD HAS COME TO AN END I WANT TO SHOOT THIS COMPUTER I'M GOING TO EXPLODE DAMM IT!!!!"
So if these sorts of people need every last detail worked out for them, get a pretend identity and a trendy box with a power lead for their thousands, so be it!
I mean what's their other choice? No computing at all? Isn't it strange how mac users are generally the type that were no good at maths or science? Ah there's a revelation. People say science isn't beautifull, it is. It makes so many of the devices, the transport and architecture we all need and enjoy.I love you science.
 


Kek I luv you long time.

Side note your not wrong to buy a Mac it's simply ill informed.

Word, Playa.
 
vertigon, i think what people are trying to say is:

there is more to a computer than processor clock speed, ram amount, and video card shaders. if you need a computer to write papers on and surf the internet, why do you need an uber fast gaming machine?

I think it's already been demonstrated that building your own is not practical cost-wise for a minimum functionality computer, so in that case I would not rule out a Mac. Now since I like for all my computers to be able to communicate with each other easily, I would still go with a Windows box, but I would totally recommend a mac to someone with different needs..
 


But, there are people out there with creative talents that produce work that is to them Mac based and there fore they stay mac based...

I know someone at EA UK who designed the graphics on Hogwarts on a Apple Mac.. He swears by them, and he came from a pc background...

All because people own a paint brush doesnt mean someone can paint with it does it...

A computer is a creative tool regardless of what platform its on... Just that macs are more envolved with the design arena and hence the tools are better..
 

No it isn't, that is your opinion.
I could care less what you think about my spending habits. I bought one, because I wanted one. I bought my Windows PC because I wanted it.
 

That is the obtuse kind of attitude I expect from you now. May I advise you to READ my posts...
That kind of obtuse attitude is exactly why I am not going to justify my purchase to you. I have explained that on several occasions in this thread... You're looking, but not seeing....
In fact, you've more than proved the point why I bought my Mac in your post. "some things needed a work around", let's see, I inserted my OS 10.5 disc, I told it were to install, which parts I wanted installed (for instance, I didn't want multi-language, or the printer drivers) pressed install, left it installing, came back, turned on and started installing the programs I wanted (Adobe CS3 etc.) copied my music over into the iTunes library and away I went. No messing with drivers, no "oh, that doesn't work yet!", it worked. Everything worked. That is precisely why I bought it, I wanted something that would work (not to say I haven't had problems with it, but nothing in comparison to when I reinstall XP on my Windows machine) without me messing around with it. I open it up and within 2 secs I'm on the desktop, click on Safari and I'm browsing the web. My other PC is far, far more powerful, but not as quick to start up etc. Oh and I chose a laptop because I wanted to use it where I was (for instance, I'm in the living room now, feet up with a cold pint of cider 😀 ).
Oh and your "mac users are generally not those that were good at maths or science", utter crap. Those were the subjects I chose to study at school at A-Level (not quite sure what the equivalent is in the states, I guess college-ish :)).
Be a bit more open-minded, eh?
The world is great when you open your eyes! 😀
 
One the I have to say about your last post Lukebird is that you didn't lie about the technological aspects of a mac. You said you wanted something that was simple to use with minimal hassles, fair enough and that's great.

I simply get irrated when people make statements like:
"I know someone at EA UK who designed the graphics on Hogwarts on a Apple Mac.. He swears by them, and he came from a pc background... " but never really provide any technical reason. In fact mac's CANNOT beat a pc at anything especially not 3D. I mean what is going to beat D5400XS board with 2 qx9770's plugged into it? Thats just at the desktop level.

Macs can never match the sophistication of large scale render servers so no point in buying mac's for rendering either. Sure you can design your grandmother a birthday card with one, but that's not high end computing is it?

I mean if you want to own an ipod shuffle on steroids fine, don't pretend it's all conquering plopps, it's irritating and a lie.

You go on to say AGAIN!!!:
" Just that macs are more envolved with the design arena and hence the tools are better.."

I keep asking how, I mean what tools excactly are you talking about that make mac's so much better for designing??

This time plopps I don't want to hear about pretend friends or emotional arguements or you simply justifying the money you wasted. Just tell me what these damm magic tools are!!
 

Thanks :)


Well, the Mac Pro is basically the same as a Skulltrail system. Yes, I know it may well be more money, but in the mentality of people who use machines for design work, a few thousand £/$ here or there isn't enough to lose sleep over. Hence the standalone machines I ordered at work (separate from out work network) are Core 2 Extreme based (QX6850's) because that's the fastest quad you can get. Although all of the guys in here wanted Macs! 😀


In many ways Macs are easier to design on because of the ergonomics physically and within the OS.
The keyboard for instance is much easier to use for long periods than most generic PC keyboards (more so than my pricey Logitech one) which, yes, I agree is something you could change on the PC, but I've yet to come across an after market keyboard like a Mac one. Also the way the OS handles multiple programs is far, far beyond what XP or Vista can do. That's one area where OS X really is ahead of Windows. On my PowerBook I have 6 desktops, I can leave anything I want in each one and can drag and drop windows into each one. I can have upto 16 as well. It may sound like an utter waste of time, (and I did think it was initially) but when you're using several programs it's much easier being able to flick between a desktop than minimise all of your current windows to open several more!
When I was doing some design work at work, I had Photoshop open in one window, Fireworks in another, iTunes in another, MSN Messenger and Safari in another and Dreamweaver in another. It was far more pracitcal than having a load of tiny icons in my taskbar. OS X is far more integrated into design work than a PC, because a PC has to be a compromise between many different functions. If you don't agree with me, so be it. But there is more than one reason for you. :)
 


OEM is OEM Mac or HP it doesn’t matter, I could care less what you spend your money on, but look where you are this isn’t an OEM love fest forum this is an enthusiast hardware site. Just because you’re enthusiastic about Mac doesn’t mean 99.9% of the other readers are remotely interested in OEM systems. It's like buying a Dell if you want to just buy something without doing any sort of research its diffidently something you should be looking at but like I said 99.9% of the users here are interested in custom built low entry cost upgradeability which OEM's do not offer period.
 

Very true, but I made my Windows based PC myself.
If it was practical to build an OS X based laptop, I would build one, but it isn't, so I haven't.
It's a shame with Tom's that people are so narrow-minded to anything other than a hand-made PC. Anything else is "****" and gets slated... :sarcastic:
 
Lukebird I hear you about the keyboard and desktop. I use a razer lycosa keyboard, I can design in complete darkness with it because all the keys light up, or the WASD for gamers. The keys are also programable and have a lovely sticky feel to them. I also use a 7 button razer copperhead mouse, only using about 4 of them regularly because I mainly use the spacepilot to navigate with. This system works for me.

As for 16 desktops etc I don't know how exactly you use them with a handfull of programs but once again vista aero "switch between windows" button works for me fine with up to 8 applications running. I also use the desktop to navigate with and have all my applications shortcuts on there. The gadgets sidebar in vista is also a nice touch always allowing me to find people, links etc with a single click.

Anyhow, thanks for a more pleasant than usual exchange, nice to know some mac people aren't angry 24/7.
 

I'm glad you understand the 'ergonomics' point, it can sound like a rather contrived comment, but even for me (I'm not a designer, but work in a design & development department) it makes a big difference having a decent desktop set-up.
With regard to the multiple desktops (called 'Spaces'), I was very scheptical of them initially, but it really does make a difference! At first I didn't use them, but the moment you start using a few programs together (as I said, like I do with CS3) it is so easy to not have to flick between a load of windows on the same desktop a la XP. It's one thing I notice more than most in comparison between XP and OS X. It's quite odd, but it works wonderfully and is so simple to use. I'll see if I can screenshot it (I think you can...) to give you an idea. But think of having all of your programs open at once you're using at that time, but all fully open and ready to go, press one key, select your desktop and there you are, whatever program you wanted is there.
Oh and apologies for some of my earlier replies, things became a little heated, eh?
Apologies chap... :hello:
 


We've been this way since Delphi ( I came shortly after), thats many moons ago now, But Tom himself used to bash Apple on a regular basis so its pretty well ingrained in most of us. I personally like to get into mud slinging over the topic (or anything I can) just because I dont get to post very often and my time is more limited than 7 years ago. I generally mean no offence I just like stirring the pot from time to time especially when I know the mods don't care all that much (specifically Apple related).

Word, Playa.
 


A lot of keyboards are crap. The ones that come with inexpensive OEM desktops are absolute garbage and even ones that come with expensive OEM desktops are typically not that great. I have used many keyboards and have found Apple desktop keyboards to be very mediocre. They have a very light, squishy keystroke that I do not like. They are also less durable than a decent other OEM keyboard if my relatively limited sample of a hundred or so Macintosh keyboards in a few computer labs over five years is any indication. Apple keyboards used to be pretty decent though as I used the ones on Apple IIs, LCs, and PowerPC 60x Power Macs and they were fine- it was when Apple went to the polycarbonate-shell units and the horrible puck mouse of the first iMac that the quality went way downhill. Probably the best OEM keyboards I have used recently are the ones Dell ships to be abused on OptiPlex business computers, but even those are only so-so. If only IBM hadn't been an idiot and stopped making the Model M keyboard- that was the best OEM keyboard made, bar none. They have a very nice key weighting, good tactile feedback, and the suckers are DURABLE. I'm currently using one that had been abused for many years in a university computer lab, then stacked in a big pile and left to sit for over five years before I was able to snag it before it was thrown out. It works perfectly and has served me well for the last two years, which is about the time that it took some of the the rubber dome switches on my previous Logitech keyboard to squish their last squish.

Don't even get me started on laptop keyboards. Apple and Sony have the worst laptop keyboards out there. The "Chiclet" style keyboard in the MacBook died out in the mid 1970s for a reason- they were HORRIBLE. But yet Apple and then Sony decided to bring them back. They are absolutely terrible to type on, even compared to the rest of the manure pit that is the laptop keyboard selection today.

Also the way the OS handles multiple programs is far, far beyond what XP or Vista can do. That's one area where OS X really is ahead of Windows. On my PowerBook I have 6 desktops, I can leave anything I want in each one and can drag and drop windows into each one. I can have upto 16 as well. It may sound like an utter waste of time, (and I did think it was initially) but when you're using several programs it's much easier being able to flick between a desktop than minimise all of your current windows to open several more!
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Virtual desktops were introduced in X11 desktops on Unix a long time ago. Apple just inherited it when they bought out NeXT and based OS X of NeXTstep. MS does support virtual desktops on Windows through the MS Virtual Desktop Manager power toy. It's clunky compared to the desktop switching on Unix, particularly if you use a hardware-composited desktop and get all of the eye candy, but it's still there.



All right, I'll try to do my best to summarize why somebody might want to buy a Macintosh over another brand of OEM computer:

1. You want to run MacOS X.
2. You like how they look compared to another computer or want one for the cachet.
3. You qualify for some discount on Macintoshes that makes them less expensive than another OEM machine of identical specifications.

Otherwise, a Macintosh computer is virtually identical to an OEM computer from another vendor. They all use the same processors, same chipsets, and many of the other internal components are similar if not identical. It's not like it was in the past where Macintoshes had different processors inside.
 
I wonder if apple's sales would increase if they provided a free chocolate egg and a stuffed toy wearing a "you are creative" t-shirt with every mac sold?
 

Fair enough.
I'll be more than happy to oblige! 😉
 
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