Want a Penryn processor crack open an apple!

[randomizer]

Macs have terminal, that's a +++ over a DOS prompt. Not sure what else I like about them.

 

[mi1ez]

^^ linux was never meant for heavy gaming, soduku is fine for it (FPS is pretty hard to measure tho...)

I doubt you'd get into too much trouble if your frame rate dropped as low as 1FPS.
It's not like 7 and 9 are gonna team up and frag you while you try to turn around!

 

[mi1ez]

^ No, and that's just my point...

 

[LukeBird]

apple anoys me that in many ways, firstly that there advertising is around Windows is crap, not why there product superior (which it isnt.
2). it's cult following of high horsed morons.
3). form over function.
4). i could go on...

Just the sort of anti-Apple goodness I love...
Ironically you're the narrow-minded hate boy (or girl) who is no better than the people you're insulting...
OS X is most certainly not form over function (there are things it does vastly better than Windows and vice versa) and yes there are plenty of "cult following high horsed morons", and there aren't with Windows?!?
There are several Mac using people on here, you really feel the need to insult them (and me)?

ETA Did you really need to post the message I quoted? It was a pointless flaming comment...

 

[macgirlfriend]

then again waht the point of spending money on PC compoents and not being able to play games or use Industry Standard Programs (ie Photoshop).

Damn i hate apple, overpriced under spec.

Hey, that's only because Apple needs money to make them really good and fast

apple anoys me that in many ways, firstly that there advertising is around Windows is crap, not why there product superior (which it isnt.
2). it's cult following of high horsed morons.
3). form over function.
4). i could go on...

Oh really? Shouldn't it be the other way around. 1) Mac get no viruses 2) Macs can run anything 3) Macs have cool ads 4) They crash less 5) Cooler interface and command keys 6) Multi-touch on new Macbooks 7) Macs can run iwork

Macs have terminal, that's a +++ over a DOS prompt. Not sure what else I like about them.

Whatever that means, its an improvement

 

[jimmysmitty]

The problem with AMD is they have great chipsets, decent GPU's and average CPU's, whereas Intel has great CPU's, decent chipsets and very sub par IGP. For some reason, Intel wins out all the time: with OEM's during the rebate program, with businesses during the "Dude you got a Dell" cycle, and with gamers and enthusiasts today.

AMD can't win for losing, which is why they need Deneb soon, but won't really have a chance until Bulldozer. Gamers might buy ATI over Nvidia, but they mostly want ATI on Intel chipsets with Intel CPU's. The mainstream doesn't care about graphics when they buy, but when they do, they can buypass the IGP with a discrete GPU.

I don't have enough hate for Apple (or love either, they aren't on my radar), so I don't care if they get Intel CPU's before enthusiasts. Money talks and no matter how much enthusiasts spend upgrading, it's not the amount that an OEM, or Apple, can direct Intel's way.

I would say the 780G is decent but the rest are normal. Intels chipsets seem to have an upper hand on nVidia chipsets minus the SLI but not everyone wants dual GPUs or needs SLI right? Intels IGPs are not for gaming and thats just known. They are mainly for business machines as they are cheap and plentyfull, where as AMD just now has their own IGPs to make. Thats why Intels IGPs and CPUs do better in the business/OEM market. Its cheaper and easier.

Dude back in 2003-2006 AMD had the enthusiast market. Everyone I knew, apart from a friend who worked at Intel and got the best Intel chip for free, was buying AMD for their gaming rigs. I didn't cuz I had no money back then. But AMD didn't have the supply lines to feed OEMs with what they needed for OEMs to be able to fully adopt AMD.

I bought ATI over nVidia b/c I prefer ATI. Nothing to do with AMD. Since ATI is still a seperate division people will still see it as ATI vs nVidia and whichever performs better gets the sales.

 

[LukeBird]

Not all mac users are uber-biased towards macs. They are alright (I have 2) but my XP system is still my main rig.........

No, I didn't say they were I have both and I like both for different reasons.
I have my PB that I use for web-browsing light CS3 use and a few other bits and pieces.
Means my PC can be just for gaming. 😀

 

[LukeBird]

What's multi-touch?

'Gestures' that you can do on the touchpad, a bit like using keyboard shortcuts.
If you move your fingers in a certain way on the pad you can zoom the page, scroll pages etc.

 

[jimmysmitty]

mi1ez, OS X retail is about £80 in the UK (no idea in the US, but i'd imagine $100-125) whereas a retail copy of Vista is what, double that ,easy!!

Wrong. I paid $140 for my copy of Vista Home Premium. And Ultimate is just $150. Thats the OEM copies yes but still its not as bad as people make it out to be. Plus OSX is Apple and well Apple sucks.

 

[macgirlfriend]

Wrong. I paid $140 for my copy of Vista Home Premium. And Ultimate is just $150. Thats the OEM copies yes but still its not as bad as people make it out to be. Plus OSX is Apple and well Apple sucks.

How can you say that when a copy of Mac OSX is free when you buy a Mac. I mean like its not like that happens with Windows.

 

[mi1ez]

3) Macs have cool ads [...] Cooler interface and command keys

I might have let the "cooler interface" comment slide, but after "cool ads"... *sigh* That really isn't a reason for an Apple to be better, only a reason they sell so many!

Ideally, I'd have a Mac, a Windows PC, and a Linux PC. They're all good at what the designers strive for, be it compatiblity, efficiency, gaming(ish), productivity, A/V. I could go on. To each their own. However, since this is a hardware forum on a hardware website, you can expect the closed box Apples to get a bashing every time they're mentioned.

Thank you and good morning/afternoon/evening/night (circle relevant answer and return to form teacher no later than Friday 2nd)

 

[jimmysmitty]

How can you say that when a copy of Mac OSX is free when you buy a Mac. I mean like its not like that happens with Windows.

Well lets see. First MAC attacks PC's all together. Stating they are slow and bad and so on. Then they start using PC components. So now they attack Vista only. Funny really. MAC was supposed to be better than PC but now its a PC that runs OSX. I kind of find that ironic in the end.

Perrsonally I have no want to use a MAC. People can have them if they want them. Yes OSX comes with a MAC but the price you pay for that MAC is not worth it. I could build a much nicer computer with that amount of cash.

 

[LukeBird]

Wrong. I paid $140 for my copy of Vista Home Premium. And Ultimate is just $150. Thats the OEM copies yes but still its not as bad as people make it out to be. Plus OSX is Apple and well Apple sucks.

Not wrong.
I said RETAIL. An OEM licence is a specific type of licence. As is retail.
I have to admit jimmysmitty, your last comment made me lose rather a large amount of respect for you...

Ideally, I'd have a Mac, a Windows PC, and a Linux PC. They're all good at what the designers strive for, be it compatiblity, efficiency, gaming(ish), productivity, A/V. I could go on. To each their own.

Completely agree.
Hence I have my Mac for web use etc. and my PC for gaming. I do have an old PC knocking around - Athlon64 Skt754 3700+, 6800GS 256mb currently with no RAM or optical drive, that I'm tempted to put Linux on

 

[mi1ez]

Same here, only that my Windows and linux computers are the same computer

I just like the idea of having three of them lined up on my desk!

 

[macgirlfriend]

Well lets see. First MAC attacks PC's all together. Stating they are slow and bad and so on. Then they start using PC components. So now they attack Vista only. Funny really. MAC was supposed to be better than PC but now its a PC that runs OSX. I kind of find that ironic in the end.

Perrsonally I have no want to use a MAC. People can have them if they want them. Yes OSX comes with a MAC but the price you pay for that MAC is not worth it. I could build a much nicer computer with that amount of cash.

Hey, but what happens when it breaks? If its a Mac and you bought AppleCare it can be fixed, if not your computer's going to die. Without warranties computers die and can't be used.

 

[skittle]

you kniw as fully as me that you cant get the same level of Frame rate that you can when a game is played natively. this is comparative to getting 8400 FPS, from a 8800. so you actually end up paying.

Sorry but thats not true, running an app through wine (assuming it works of course) is just as fast as if it were natively run on windows. The problem is that not everything works nicely with wine... specifically newer games... .net... office 2007 (ouch i really like office 2007)

 

[mi1ez]

Hey, but what happens when it breaks? If its a Mac and you bought AppleCare it can be fixed, if not your computer's going to die. Without warranties computers die and can't be used.

Unless you bought it at a shop that offers support.

Mmmm... Scan White Cobra...
http://3xs.scan.co.uk/ShowSystem.asp?SystemID=744

 

[mi1ez]

I have a really hard time with one, so how can I fit 3?

Get a triple SLI desk!

 

[skittle]

Hey, but what happens when it breaks? If its a Mac and you bought AppleCare it can be fixed, if not your computer's going to die. Without warranties computers die and can't be used.

Thats the beauty building my own machine, I can fix it my self.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Not wrong.
I said RETAIL. An OEM licence is a specific type of licence. As is retail.
I have to admit jimmysmitty, your last comment made me lose rather a large amount of respect for you...



Completely agree.
Hence I have my Mac for web use etc. and my PC for gaming. I do have an old PC knocking around - Athlon64 Skt754 3700+, 6800GS 256mb currently with no RAM or optical drive, that I'm tempted to put Linux on

Sorry. My computer dyslexia has been kicking in a lot recently. I miss words or read the backwards...it gets annoying. But you are right. Only problem is that not every older MAC will support OSX. It does take some of the newer hardware. But still the OEM versions should count as they are plentyfull and easily accessable from a online retailer.

Either way MACS are overrated. They are just PCs now that have hardware that can specifically run OSX and thats it.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Thats the beauty of building my own machine, I can fix it my self.

BINGO!!!!!!!!! This is THG. Most posters here build their own hence no need to worry about warranties from an OEM. Also when building it yourself you tend to buy higher quality parts thus ensuring it will last longer than most OEM PCs. And even if a part comes DOA or dies you have RMA and the warranty from the hardware manu.

I guess she is saying that if you have no AppleCare you are screwed and have to pay up the wazoo (Geek Squad like wazzo pay) to get it fixed.

 

[skittle]

@jimmysmitty
I would argue that the vista OEM lisncese is comparable to the OSX "retail" liscense...

"2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.
A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time,and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time. You may make one copy of the Apple Software (excluding the Boot ROM code) in machine-readable form for backup purposes only; provide"

The apple license even sounds a little more restrictive than a microsoft OEM license.

Not to mention that when comparing the cost of OSX to vista... you have to consider the constant "major updates" apple charges you for. These "updates" are VERY comparable to windows service packs... except that apple makes you practically bleed your wallet to get them... PLUS they would rather you just buy a new machine with it preinstalled.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Ouch I never saw that..... I know the one downside to the OEM Vista is its just the one version unlike the retail that includes all the versions and you only pay the difference to upgrad from say Premium to Ultimate.

 

[LukeBird]

Sorry. My computer dyslexia has been kicking in a lot recently. I miss words or read the backwards...it gets annoying. But you are right. Only problem is that not every older MAC will support OSX. It does take some of the newer hardware. But still the OEM versions should count as they are plentyfull and easily accessable from a online retailer.

Either way MACS are overrated. They are just PCs now that have hardware that can specifically run OSX and thats it.

No problem
I do to a certain extent agree with you on your last point.
As I'm sure most people have no idea what sort of Mac I have from my sig, it is a Power PC based Mac. It is plenty quick enough for what I use it for and certainly quicker than you'd imagine for a 1.5GHz single core from 4years ago!

Licensing stuff...

Not to mention that when comparing the cost of OSX to vista... you have to consider the constant "major updates" apple charges you for. These "updates" are VERY comparable to windows service packs... except that apple makes you practically bleed your wallet to get them... PLUS they would rather you just buy a new machine with it preinstalled.

With regard to the licensing info, I didn't realise the licence was quite that tight, so I stand corrected!
Certainly don't agree with you on the Service Packs though...
The newest OS, 10.5 (Leopard) is sufficently different from 10.4 (Tiger) to carry a cost between them. 10.5 wasn't a service pack up from 10.4, it was essentially a new OS. OS X gets updated like Windows does and it doesn't cost me anything...

 

[Scotteq]

I implied this pretty strongly earlier... But the Apple/PC argument seems to have center stage at the moment.


(1) Intel do not, will not, and as far as I know can not, sell AMD products.

(2) Therefore for AMD products to be used, Apple would have to drop Intel and pick up AMD as a supplier. This has not happened.

(3) The article clearly states that Intel is the supplier.

(4) The article also gives a X9** part number for this 'special' processor. This is an Intel part number. Not AMD.

(5) The article also says an Intel motherboard is being used. To my knowledge, AMD processors do not physically fit into current Intel sockets, nor are they compatible with Intel Chipsets.

(6) The article makes no mention of AMD at all, with the sole exception of the code name 'Penryn' used in one sentence.



THEREFORE IT IS LOGICAL TO PRESUME THAT THE WRITER OF THE ARTICLE DOESN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PENRYN AND A HARPERTOWN, and so this thread owes it's very existence to a typo.


This has been a public service announcement. We now return you to your PC/Apple Flame War.