News We tried to install Windows 11 on Raspberry Pi 5 - lack of internet connectivity left us stuck

[hello_world_dot_c]

I don't think it's possible, because it's a hard limitation of Microsoft's basic display driver, which would seem to use EFI faciliites for screen access.

And I don't think you'll like it anyway, because that driver is also a fully CPU driven implementation without any type of acceleration, not 2d, not 3d, no video etc. much like an extended VGA: it's really no fun.

Without a device native Windows diplay driver from the SoC vendor, Windows on ARM just cannot fly and I wouldn't bet on RockChip ever doing one and they'd probably want ARM to do most of the work for Mali. And the open source guys sweating to extend Microsoft's overreach into the Raspberry PI universe? Not very likely, either.

Yes, but from what I saw in the instructions for installing Windows 11 on the Raspberry Pi 4, you can actually switch screen resolutions in the UEFI BIOS there but this menu option is not present in the Pi 5 BIOS. I was wondering if there was a secret way which just hadn't been added to the BIOS.

What might be worth trying is to see if using RDP actually improves the performance, because there is a bit of a chance that RDP might actually pass higher leven primitives over the wire to be rendered at the client side.

Thanks, yes, I am using RDP to connect already, the performance is pretty good and it is entirely workable. Of course I always need a second PC for this set up.

But I am not complaining. This is a great inexpensive test rig for my software development and it is amazing that people got it to work at all. I am only constantly looking for improvements...

 

[bit_user]

Without a device native Windows diplay driver from the SoC vendor, Windows on ARM just cannot fly and I wouldn't bet on RockChip ever doing one and they'd probably want ARM to do most of the work for Mali.

Was Rockchip ever specified? If it is, then ARM should probably already have a Windows driver for Mali. Certainly, if they intend to support anyone like Mediatek using Mali in SoCs for Windows-on-ARM laptops.

If it's a Pi 5, then the GPU is designed by Broadcom, not ARM.

 

[abufrejoval]

Was Rockchip ever specified? If it is, then ARM should probably already have a Windows driver for Mali. Certainly, if they intend to support anyone like Mediatek using Mali in SoCs for Windows-on-ARM laptops.

If it's a Pi 5, then the GPU is designed by Broadcom, not ARM.

Yes, I keep messing them up because I have both and the issue is the same: neither ARM or Broadcom nor PI Foundation or Rockchip is targeting Windows so native drivers are unlikely.

I've actually looked around at the software packages that ARM provides for Mali GPUs to SoC vendors and there is no sign of anything but Linux.

 

[Applied Thinking]

I am sure you know that the WOR project has dropped support for WIN11 on RPi5. They do recommend the Rockchip K3588. I had purchased 2ea Orange Pi 5 Plus SBC's from AliExpress/AliBabba but the seller ripped me off at the tune of $308.00 US. They sent me empty boxes. All my pic's and evidence went down the drain and I was not given a refund. Go figure! Now working with the bank to correct. Hopefully. Take a note from my lesson learned please.

I have not given up on the WOR project and I did purchase cases and power supplies.

Originally, I did get the WIN11 installed and running on a RPi5, but there were sooooo many shortfalls that I abandoned the project. A lot of love is still needed to make things work.

Good luck with your forward adventure.
V/R

 

[hello_world_dot_c]

I am sure you know that the WOR project has dropped support for WIN11 on RPi5. They do recommend the Rockchip K3588. I had purchased 2ea Orange Pi 5 Plus SBC's from AliExpress/AliBabba but the seller ripped me off at the tune of $308.00 US. They sent me empty boxes. All my pic's and evidence went down the drain and I was not given a refund. Go figure! Now working with the bank to correct. Hopefully. Take a note from my lesson learned please.

Wow, I never had such a horrific experience with AliExpress. Would you mind sharing the name of the seller/store?

Originally, I did get the WIN11 installed and running on a RPi5, but there were sooooo many shortfalls that I abandoned the project. A lot of love is still needed to make things work.

Can't confirm, working "well enough" here and from what I can see on the WOR site, their Rockchip K3588 support is (at this time) not better than for the RPi5 (e.g. HDMI output limited to 1080p/60Hz).

 

[Applied Thinking]

hello_world_dot:
All I have is the following. Apparently the purchase was cross-decked to Alibaba:
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Your query has now been assigned to Shop1102935577 Store .
Friend we see your disputes
Alibaba Translation
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The theft left a such bad feeling about my continued selection of Orange Pi 5 Plus, so I returned the case and power supply purchases (Amazon). I am back to square one regarding the WOR project. There are several other K3855 boards to choose from.

One thing for sure is, that I will pay a little more and go through Amazon, just to have a sense of support in case something like this happens again. For history sake, I did have the contents of a Priority package taken from a USPS controlled shipment at one time but I did recover my money.

I concur with your K3588 assessment. As with anything of this nature, much depends on individuals writing code(drivers) to make things work. This is well beyond my capability, but I certainly do understand that things of this nature take time and resources. At least the WOR statement has not changed from the current way forward.

Have an amazing day!

 

[bit_user]

One thing for sure is, that I will pay a little more and go through Amazon, just to have a sense of support in case something like this happens again.

Thanks for the warning!

I have bought a few items from China on Amazon, ebay, and Newegg. Never had an issue, except one time that I ordered honeysuckle tea and it was kind of nasty (not like the other times I bought it).

BTW, it's too bad that HardKernel doesn't have an ODROID board with the RK3588. Since they have some other Rockchip boards, I was waiting for them to release one, but now they'd be so late that I guess they're probably skipping it. I've had pretty good success with their boards. I've ordered directly from them, on two occasions. Shipping (from South Korea) is a little expensive, but quicker than you might expect.

Another SoC to keep an eye on is the MediaTek Genio 1200. Since it's supposedly aimed at the IoT market, I expect it will be priced at a point that would enable low-cost SBC makers to use it. So far, the only places it seems to have landed fall more in the realm of industrial computing.

MediaTek unveils Genio 1200 premium AIoT processor with 4.8 TOPS NPU - CNX Software

MediaTek has introduced the Genio platform for AIoT devices, and unveiled the first chip of the Genio family with the Genio 1200 Octa-core Cortex-A78/A55

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