Question Weird issues with overheating. Randomly fixes itself after resetting but persistently returns

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the Tom's Hardware community: where nearly two million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Greatot

Distinguished
Jan 1, 2014
33
0
18,530
So I have this very unusual problem with my CPU overheating in a way that makes absolutely no sense to me. Basically a few months ago I noticed my computer running very slowly, I have CoreTemp installed and checked that and indeed all cores were at 90-100 Celsius while gaming and wouldn't cool down when idle.

I have this CoolerMaster water cooling thing with a fan attached and another fan at the opposite end of my case, I lifted it, replaced the thermal paste, and then the temperatures were back to normal. That is, until a month later, when the problem re-appeared. I did the same thing despite the thermal paste being fine obviously and the cooler clearly not being detached but somehow it fixed it again, until a few weeks later, it kept coming back faster and faster and today I couldn't fix it the same way anymore.

I had checked everything three times today, each time cleaning all the dust with an air can, stretching the water cooler pipes in case that was it, let it cool off, but every time I started the computer again the temperatures would be at 65°C while idle and quickly shoot up to 90°C+ whenever I did anything.
I removed the glass side panel and felt the pipes for pressure, and I could feel the water coursing through it, so water cooling worked, both fans were spinning normally, albeit too slowly for the heat, and nothing was detached. So just what caused the overheating? I had no idea and simply turned the computer off.

A few minutes later I turned it back on just checking for a miracle, and yep, literally randomly fixed itself. NOTHING changed, I simply turned the computer off and back on again and somehow the temperatures were at 30°C. Literally nothing changed, I can see the fans spinning the same as usual, the water cooling pipes feel the same way when I pinch them, yet somehow everything is 30°C cooler.

So I mean, what could it be? The only thing clearly not working correctly is the fan, which didn't bother spinning any faster even while my temperature was 90 degrees, but right now it's spinning roughly at the same speed it was while overheating. It doesn't look it could have caused a 30°C difference. And if it is the fans, why do they randomly decide to work sometimes but sometimes don't? Any ideas?



EDIT: so it's getting weirder now. detaching it and re-applying the thermal paste still did nothing at all. But now there is a new nonsensical way to fix it. The only thing that has worked so far is if I:
1. detach the glass side panel
2. touch the fan with my finger so it stops spinning for a second
3. turn the computer off and back on again without the side panel

This has now lowered my temperatures from an idle 65°C to an idle 33°C, twice in a row. Simply turning the computer off and back on again has not worked multiple times, it's only when I took the side panel off and touched the fan. Could be a coincidence, I really have no idea
 
Last edited:
Solution
The problems caused by loss of fluid in the loop, producing an air bubble inside, are very unpredictable. There is no clear repeating pattern. When the bubble ends up in the pump, that pump cannot force any fluid to flow around. When something moves that out of the pump - like, you moving the pump for a re-paste job, or tilting the entire case - the pump is filled with fluid and CAN create fluid circulation. For some unpredictable time that bubble may be temporarily "trapped" in the loop somewhere by the local forces of flowing fluid. That is, until the bubble gets moved around the system enough to get back to the pump. (Stopping the system so there is no fluid flow may allow the bubble to move a little to a new unstable position.) Then...
The problems caused by loss of fluid in the loop, producing an air bubble inside, are very unpredictable. There is no clear repeating pattern. When the bubble ends up in the pump, that pump cannot force any fluid to flow around. When something moves that out of the pump - like, you moving the pump for a re-paste job, or tilting the entire case - the pump is filled with fluid and CAN create fluid circulation. For some unpredictable time that bubble may be temporarily "trapped" in the loop somewhere by the local forces of flowing fluid. That is, until the bubble gets moved around the system enough to get back to the pump. (Stopping the system so there is no fluid flow may allow the bubble to move a little to a new unstable position.) Then it all happens again.

For the near term you can continue to fight this by moving and re-starting your system every time it happens. But you MUST keep very close eye on the CPU temperature and intervene to fix it as quickly as possible whenever the temp goes high. Any lengthy time running too hot reduces the CPU lifetime. And having it run noticeably SLOWLY because the CPU already is over its temp limit and forced to slow down to protect itself is NOT the way to operate. NOTE that you have avoided trouble by leaving it running even when you are not there. BUT that also risks having the problem suddenly re-occur when YOU are not watching! So that is a very risky strategy.

As son as you can arrange it, you must replace the CPU cooler system. As several have suggested, an air-cooled system (heatsink and fan combo unit) is the least expensive type, and it does not have to be extra powerful or fancy. You might ask around among friends or a shop that sells used computer parts. Someone may have a stock cooler that came with their CPU chip, but they replaced it with another or with an AIO system so the original unit is unused, cheap or maybe even free.
This makes sense, I do have CoreTemp with the overheat protection setting which informs me every time the temperatures reach 90 degrees. I'll keep shaking and moving the pipes around until I just get a new computer once I get money. I have read somewhere that the bubbles can also be moved by putting the pump into a more intense setting so the bubbles get moved, not sure if that will work in this case.
 
I have read somewhere that the bubbles can also be moved by putting the pump into a more intense setting so the bubbles get moved, not sure if that will work in this case.
If you could show a photo of your system with side panel removed,
we'd d be able to tell you, if pump/radiator have been properly placed.

But if that is not possible, then watch this video. It may give you some ideas, what could be wrong with your AIO.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGomv195sk
 
If you could show a photo of your system with side panel removed,
we'd d be able to tell you, if pump/radiator have been properly placed.

But if that is not possible, then watch this video. It may give you some ideas, what could be wrong with your AIO.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGomv195sk
I can't take a picture but the pump is right next to the chip and so the cooler is placed horizontally away from the pump and the pipes bend horizontally to fit in, they used to bend vertically upwards until I changed it a year ago or so
 
Can you make a drawing - at least?

What is model name of your AIO?
Is pump placed in CPU block or integrated into radiator?
ok so I went and found my old login for the website where I bought the computer back in 2018, turns out the cooler isn't a Cooler Master like I thought, but is actually a "Corsair Hydro Series H60 CPU Cooler", mine is placed exactly like in this image I found
View: https://imgur.com/a/WCGjKAT