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Don't worry, I got your point. It's just I wasn't there from the beginning to even talk about MMM or Jumping_Jack, or Action_Man.
I agree with you in some things. Many adult people I know can act like 9 year old kids... We're talking about 25+ year old guys!
I'm leaving this thread because I don't want to discuss about people I don't know enough to do so... I don't want to make mistakes about them, saying things that might be wrong. That's all, I guess.
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Stupidity is contagous, and man some of the poster's at this forum, as a whole, are carriers. I'm glad the Mods are begining to add more actual "meat" on the forums. People who are just posting comments without substance are fools, we've had enough of them in DC :lol: , we don't need more here. There has been enough antagonisim within the forums to last for the next 20 years. MMM was one of those who contributed to the "arguements" without adding some real substance to the forum.
Real hardware issues have been put by the wayside for the "NEW RIG SPECS" or "WHAT CARD SHOULD I GET?" group. I'm glad we have some Mods that are actually doing something to better the site. Hopefully things can get back on track helping people who have real problems other than not being able to look up specs on the latest proccessor or video card.
There are always going to be fanboys and fencesitters. Between all there has to be a good mix of actual conversation with facts to backup what your saying to make it worth while to read your posts. MMM lost sight of that.[/quote]
Real hardware issues have been put by the wayside for the "NEW RIG SPECS" or "WHAT CARD SHOULD I GET?" group. I'm glad we have some Mods that are actually doing something to better the site. Hopefully things can get back on track helping people who have real problems other than not being able to look up specs on the latest proccessor or video card.
There are always going to be fanboys and fencesitters. Between all there has to be a good mix of actual conversation with facts to backup what your saying to make it worth while to read your posts. MMM lost sight of that.[/quote]
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But political commentary is welcome in your view?
Mike may have had control issues, but when you suggest he didn't add some real substance to the forum, it looks like bias has swamped objectivity. Sure, he flamed beyond someone's threshold, but it was not difficult to find value in some of his posts. I've got no problem with anyone here critiquing his flames, but I do feel he brought some value and deserved for that to be recognized rather than discounted.
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Let's be honest.
99% of the threads on this forum have no value past the first page of posts.
Several posters would lose their "status" in the forums back to newbie, if they had all their one liner posts removed.
MMM posted way too much. It was difficult to find anything useful in his posts, since he posted so many useless ones. Not that he is alone.
I've gotten to where I disable notify once a thread goes past one page.
Personally, if I was a moderator, and had the time to hit these boards, they'd have about 99% of the threads killed that span more than the first page.
Why I bothered to read past the first page on this one is beyond me.
Enjoy.
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As someone who has dealt with all three and many others, and who has witnessed the entire MMM saga (now there's infamy), here are my two cents.
MMM was an extreme AMD fanboy who also happened to know a bit about the topics he talked about, even if he was a bit overconfident. He was pretty helpful at first, but as soon as the Conroe debates started, and certain individuals on this forum who will remain nameless called him out by starting posts dedicated to flaming him (They should have been warned at the least for such behavior), he never had a chance. I received at least one PM from moderators asking my opinion on the situation and of Mike, and I gave my honest thoughts. Yes, he was abrasive at times to say the least, but he was not so much banned as run out of here by the members, which is also why he is so infamous today. As far as fanboyism, I have seen far worse fanboyism than his from others on this forum who have next to no clue whatsoever about what they are talking about. Hell, piddy used to be pretty bad until we worked on him enough to turn him into someone that is somewhat open minded and eager to learn.
Others on this forum have been abrasive, and I have seen many people post to mulitple threads things that were at least as bad as MMM was posting both to him(remember, someone was responding to him most of the time), and to completely unrelated posts since then. There are definitely others on this forum that could stand to be warned or banned. I will not name any names, as that's not my job.
BTW, has anyone else noticed that the mods seem to have a lot less presence than they did two months ago? Perhaps that ties in with the recent performance and double/triple post issues??
MMM was an extreme AMD fanboy who also happened to know a bit about the topics he talked about, even if he was a bit overconfident. He was pretty helpful at first, but as soon as the Conroe debates started, and certain individuals on this forum who will remain nameless called him out by starting posts dedicated to flaming him (They should have been warned at the least for such behavior), he never had a chance. I received at least one PM from moderators asking my opinion on the situation and of Mike, and I gave my honest thoughts. Yes, he was abrasive at times to say the least, but he was not so much banned as run out of here by the members, which is also why he is so infamous today. As far as fanboyism, I have seen far worse fanboyism than his from others on this forum who have next to no clue whatsoever about what they are talking about. Hell, piddy used to be pretty bad until we worked on him enough to turn him into someone that is somewhat open minded and eager to learn.
Others on this forum have been abrasive, and I have seen many people post to mulitple threads things that were at least as bad as MMM was posting both to him(remember, someone was responding to him most of the time), and to completely unrelated posts since then. There are definitely others on this forum that could stand to be warned or banned. I will not name any names, as that's not my job.
BTW, has anyone else noticed that the mods seem to have a lot less presence than they did two months ago? Perhaps that ties in with the recent performance and double/triple post issues??
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You are entitled to your opinion...
Indeed and I think that maybe part of the problem. Many people with differing opinions and not enough people who can back theirs up or accept that they are wrong. (Consider my own post.)
It is in the nature of forums that people share opinions, but when we start to cram it down each others throats....
As for johngoodwin's opinion regarding the quality of threads beyond the first page, I would agree.
However, I feel something like 90% would be more accurate.
MadModMike has a personal blog setup, http://www.madmodmike.blogspot.com , it's his take on performance from platforms and so far (with the exception of one) it's pretty neutral. I find it pretty interesting, maybe you guys could too.
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Am I the only one who thinks this post kinda sounds like a shameless self-advertisement? Bah, I don't care.
As long as you keep up with the excellent posts under this new handle, I don't think you should have any probs Mike. Cheers.
NOPE..... You aren't the only one.
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Please find one, just one post, where jumping_jack slanders another individual. I know he likes to give you a hard time, but at least I don't recall him ever blatently calling you names. Action_Man can get a bit over the top, I can agree, but to put him in the same group as MMM is just plain wrong.
btw, you're not suppose to post in ALL CAPS.....did you get the memo?
I don't think 9-inch likes me very much
That's his problem.
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As someone who has dealt with all three and many others, and who has witnessed the entire MMM saga (now there's infamy), here are my two cents.
MMM was an extreme AMD fanboy who also happened to know a bit about the topics he talked about, even if he was a bit overconfident. He was pretty helpful at first, but as soon as the Conroe debates started, and certain individuals on this forum who will remain nameless called him out by starting posts dedicated to flaming him (They should have been warned at the least for such behavior), he never had a chance. I received at least one PM from moderators asking my opinion on the situation and of Mike, and I gave my honest thoughts. Yes, he was abrasive at times to say the least, but he was not so much banned as run out of here by the members, which is also why he is so infamous today. As far as fanboyism, I have seen far worse fanboyism than his from others on this forum who have next to no clue whatsoever about what they are talking about. Hell, piddy used to be pretty bad until we worked on him enough to turn him into someone that is somewhat open minded and eager to learn.
Others on this forum have been abrasive, and I have seen many people post to mulitple threads things that were at least as bad as MMM was posting both to him(remember, someone was responding to him most of the time), and to completely unrelated posts since then. There are definitely others on this forum that could stand to be warned or banned. I will not name any names, as that's not my job.
BTW, has anyone else noticed that the mods seem to have a lot less presence than they did two months ago? Perhaps that ties in with the recent performance and double/triple post issues??
Ahh, you beat me to the punch. The current 5 month decline in posting ethics at THG seems to have began at the same time the conroe debate started. Its hard to refute or argue performance facts when you compare established platforms, but when theroretical performance values for prospective products are released, well, we see what happens. Once conroe reachs the general public, its performance, whatever it is, will be fact. I would hazzard a guess that about the same time that happens, the posting ethics trend may reverse slightly
To say MMM was abrasive is an understatement. As many others pointed out, any time MMM was called out or proved wrong, he responses instantly degraded to hostile. He rarely provided proof, and on one of the rare occassions he provided a link, he posted (which he clearly did not read in its entirity) it so many times that it caused its own flame war.
Yes Action Mans keyboard and slinky get annoying, but those responses are the result of his annoyance with 9-inches perpetual insistance on capping his titles. Maybe its a bit immature, but the same could easily be said of 9-inchs refusal to "let go" of the caps.
As for Jumping Jack, Im with Joefriday:
"Please find one, just one post, where jumping_jack slanders another individual. I know he likes to give you a hard time, but at least I don't recall him ever blatently calling you names. "
Furthermore, JJ has provided many useful and imformative posts. Unlike casewhite who simply attacked everyone, JJ actually takes time to explain things rather than mearly saying "you dont know anything" MMM? not even remotely in the same class JJ. He would often " say "you dont know anything" as a retort to being proven wrong.
9-inch? Frankly, he seems to be working to clean his act up, but in the past he was not much better than MMM.
There are many competant and polite posters on THG (no, I do not include myself in that class) who bring value to the forum. Sadly, those such as MMM and 9-inch have done little other than devalue THG. The little positive value they have brought has been greatly out-weighed
by the negative, and in 9-inches case, judging by the responses in this thread, he has a long way to go change the reputation he brought upon himself. Perhaps he could further his cause by not egging action man with his insistance on capping
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If it weren't so politically incorrect, I might suggest that you've erred in your gender assignment.
i haven't posted much here but i have read many of the threads over the last year or so, and overall i'd like to say that the best threads, for me at least, seem to be the ones that are actual hardware questions...the ones where there is a definite question and people giving advice on actual remedies to physical problems. The trouble seems to creep in when conjecture is introduced...the conroe/am2 threads seem to degenerate into fanboy playgrounds. I actually prefer the forums at ocworkbench, as the moderator of the thread is involved in the thread itself...seems to keep the tone much more civil, and the questions/answers seem to keep the thread going forward and getting wider, instead of trailing off into separate little scraps amongst individuals.
Of course, this is just my opinion...maybe others like the verbal abuse. I had a gf who liked to burn herself with cigarettes too, so I guess it's just personal preference.
(please no posts about the cigarette stuff...lol)
Of course, this is just my opinion...maybe others like the verbal abuse. I had a gf who liked to burn herself with cigarettes too, so I guess it's just personal preference.
(please no posts about the cigarette stuff...lol)
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This my very generalised take on the difference between AMD and Intel fanboys.
Intel Fanboy: "Wow, Conroe is going to be so cool, look at the Benchmarks! Take that AMD fanboys!"
AMD Fanboy: "You're wrong, because you have a small Intel Brain"(Actual Quote)
Intel Fanboy: "Ooook.... slinky.[Insert Conroe Benchmark of Choice]"
AMD Fanboy: "OH YEA? WHEN AM2 COMES OUT IT'LL KICK CONROE'S ASS! HAH!"
Intel Fanboy: "Turn the caps off. Plus, AM2 is more of a transitional platform anyway, it's K8L that will really perform better."
[Mindless arguing for a few months. People are banned, egos are shattered, e-penises sprout out of Newegg.]
[Enter AM2]
[AM2 doesn't really live up to expectations]
Intel Fanboy: "[insert AM2 benchmark of choice]"
AMD Fanboy: "AM2 is more of a transitional platform anyway, it's K8L that will really perform better"
Intel Fanboy: "Wtf?" [see above]
[10,000 years pass. The two companies keep leapfrogging each other.]
[Enter Tom Cruise XXXXXXXXXVII]
Tom: "Scientology wins!"
[World blows up.]
OK, people like 9-inch miiiight have just prejudiced me a bit.
Intel Fanboy: "Wow, Conroe is going to be so cool, look at the Benchmarks! Take that AMD fanboys!"
AMD Fanboy: "You're wrong, because you have a small Intel Brain"(Actual Quote)
Intel Fanboy: "Ooook.... slinky.[Insert Conroe Benchmark of Choice]"
AMD Fanboy: "OH YEA? WHEN AM2 COMES OUT IT'LL KICK CONROE'S ASS! HAH!"
Intel Fanboy: "Turn the caps off. Plus, AM2 is more of a transitional platform anyway, it's K8L that will really perform better."
[Mindless arguing for a few months. People are banned, egos are shattered, e-penises sprout out of Newegg.]
[Enter AM2]
[AM2 doesn't really live up to expectations]
Intel Fanboy: "[insert AM2 benchmark of choice]"
AMD Fanboy: "AM2 is more of a transitional platform anyway, it's K8L that will really perform better"
Intel Fanboy: "Wtf?" [see above]
[10,000 years pass. The two companies keep leapfrogging each other.]
[Enter Tom Cruise XXXXXXXXXVII]
Tom: "Scientology wins!"
[World blows up.]
OK, people like 9-inch miiiight have just prejudiced me a bit.
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Woah, wasnt expecting this thread at all. Thats why I just sit back and read the info thats given to me, on account of JJ,Action Man, & wusy 'cuz based on what ive read the past couple weeks, they seem to really know theyre stuff.
I cant quote cuz i forgot who wrote it, but i do agree that threads like "MY NEW RIG" area about as annoying as the sound of scratching a blackboard.
Which Video Card shouls you choose??
This is THG, LOOK AT THE CHARTS!!!!
I cant quote cuz i forgot who wrote it, but i do agree that threads like "MY NEW RIG" area about as annoying as the sound of scratching a blackboard.
Which Video Card shouls you choose??
This is THG, LOOK AT THE CHARTS!!!!
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With science advanced enough things do look like magic
Imagine something like one of our computers back in roman times.... they would probably have heart failure seeing it. Now for the whole Intel VS AMD thing I think that AMD will come out with something thats faster then Conroe but I have to wonder if K8L is it... Since I dont know whats wrapped up in K8L's black box everything is speculation at this point. I think Conroe has pretty much shown off its goodies and everyone just has to wait for the OCing and Benchmarks to roll in. I have heard things about Z Ram being in K8L if thats true then I also hear it allows for something like 4 times more cache and that cache to operate at 1T but I think there will be more to K8L then just Z ram (if there isnt then K8L will not perform up to what everyone hopes). Maybe some one else knows more about K8L then me and can post more information ?
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You were on a roll till you whipped out the Scientology bit. Had you instead went with Joe's Garage and the First Church of Appliantology, it woulda been a slam dunk. So close and yet so far...
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