what cpu+motherboard for RX 470 4gb?

[troselj.tibor.365]

GPU: rx 470 4gb
RAM: 8gb ddr3.

old cpu broke so im looking for a new one now, + motherboard. budget is about 450e. gonna use it for streaming+gaming mostly. was thinking about i7 8700K but not sure if GPU will be a bottleneck? would an i5 do the job just fine?

 

[DRagor]

Any new CPU will require DDR4 RAM, so the question is are you prepared to buy new RAM as well?

 

[EquineHero]

GPU: rx 470 4gb
RAM: 8gb ddr3.

old cpu broke so im looking for a new one now, + motherboard. budget is about 450e. gonna use it for streaming+gaming mostly. was thinking about i7 8700K but not sure if GPU will be a bottleneck? would an i5 do the job just fine?

what platform are you currently on? The i5 6600 is a good match for the RX 470.

 

[troselj.tibor.365]

Any new CPU will require DDR4 RAM, so the question is are you prepared to buy new RAM as well?

GPU: rx 470 4gb
RAM: 8gb ddr3.

old cpu broke so im looking for a new one now, + motherboard. budget is about 450e. gonna use it for streaming+gaming mostly. was thinking about i7 8700K but not sure if GPU will be a bottleneck? would an i5 do the job just fine?

what platform are you currently on? The i5 6600 is a good match for the RX 470.

im not really in position to buy ram now, but if i'll be getting i5 and theres some money for ram in it, sure i can get ddr4. atm im on PC if thats what u meant, no laptop. I was also thinking that i5 would be just fine for rx 470, but is it enough to stream games such as world of warcraft and overwatch? will i need to upgrade the i5 soon? since im upgrading once in few years, i would like to buy the best thing right now for the available budget.

 

[EquineHero]

im not really in position to buy ram now, but if i'll be getting i5 and theres some money for ram in it, sure i can get ddr4. atm im on PC if thats what u meant, no laptop. I was also thinking that i5 would be just fine for rx 470, but is it enough to stream games such as world of warcraft and overwatch? will i need to upgrade the i5 soon? since im upgrading once in few years, i would like to buy the best thing right now for the available budget.

the i5 6600 uses DDR3 AFAIK. It should be enough to stream, I have an i5 7300HQ in my laptop with a 1050Ti 4Gb and can stream 1080p60 just fine.

 

[DRagor]

the i5 6600 uses DDR3 AFAIK. It should be enough to stream, I have an i5 7300HQ in my laptop with a 1050Ti 4Gb and can stream 1080p60 just fine.

Nope. 6600 can use DDR3L with some motherboards. You CAN put DDR3 into such motherboard and it will try to reduce RAM voltage to level safe for CPU, but it's not guaranteed to work and may fry CPU instead. Official word form Intel is that 6th gen does not support DDR3, you do that on your risk.

 

[troselj.tibor.365]

im not really in position to buy ram now, but if i'll be getting i5 and theres some money for ram in it, sure i can get ddr4. atm im on PC if thats what u meant, no laptop. I was also thinking that i5 would be just fine for rx 470, but is it enough to stream games such as world of warcraft and overwatch? will i need to upgrade the i5 soon? since im upgrading once in few years, i would like to buy the best thing right now for the available budget.

the i5 6600 uses DDR3 AFAIK. It should be enough to stream, I have an i5 7300HQ in my laptop with a 1050Ti 4Gb and can stream 1080p60 just fine.

is i5 6600 the latest one that uses ddr3? since whatever i buy now i wont be upgrading any time soon, just want to buy the best thing possible atm. just checked on amazon.de, i5 6600 is 185e. mby i can get some newer version of it + 8/16gb ram ddr4 with it and with the motherboard?^^, budget is 450-470e-ish.

 

[troselj.tibor.365]

the i5 6600 uses DDR3 AFAIK. It should be enough to stream, I have an i5 7300HQ in my laptop with a 1050Ti 4Gb and can stream 1080p60 just fine.

Nope. 6600 can use DDR3L with some motherboards. You CAN put DDR3 into such motherboard and it will try to reduce RAM voltage to level safe for CPU, but it's not guaranteed to work and may fry CPU instead. Official word form Intel is that 6th gen does not support DDR3, you do that on your risk.

im not really in a position to risk anything, would love to go for a "safe" bet. =)

 

[EquineHero]

the i5 6600 uses DDR3 AFAIK. It should be enough to stream, I have an i5 7300HQ in my laptop with a 1050Ti 4Gb and can stream 1080p60 just fine.

Nope. 6600 can use DDR3L with some motherboards. You CAN put DDR3 into such motherboard and it will try to reduce RAM voltage to level safe for CPU, but it's not guaranteed to work and may fry CPU instead. Official word form Intel is that 6th gen does not support DDR3, you do that on your risk.

im not really in a position to risk anything, would love to go for a "safe" bet. =)

i5 4th gen are still viable like the 4440. I had the i5 3330 and was very impressed.

 

[tibor.troselj.365]

the i5 6600 uses DDR3 AFAIK. It should be enough to stream, I have an i5 7300HQ in my laptop with a 1050Ti 4Gb and can stream 1080p60 just fine.

Nope. 6600 can use DDR3L with some motherboards. You CAN put DDR3 into such motherboard and it will try to reduce RAM voltage to level safe for CPU, but it's not guaranteed to work and may fry CPU instead. Official word form Intel is that 6th gen does not support DDR3, you do that on your risk.

im not really in a position to risk anything, would love to go for a "safe" bet. =)

i5 4th gen are still viable like the 4440. I had the i5 3330 and was very impressed.

so i7 is unnecesary with rx 470? i5 is enough for both streaming and gaming? and do i need to buy the ddr4 ram or not, 8 or 16gb? =)

 

[DRagor]

so i7 is unnecesary with rx 470? i5 is enough for both streaming and gaming? and do i need to buy the ddr4 ram or not, 8 or 16gb? =)

That depends on specific model of CPU you buy. If you wish to stream, the more cores the CPU has the better. However number of cores is not tied to CPU class (whether i7 or i5) but again to specific model.

 

[gingerrankin]

Except that you can buy at a very cheap price, do not buy anything that is not current. That is to say 8th generation Coffee Lake of Intel or Ryzen of AMD.

The price of the I5-6600 indicated is very expensive. The equivalent processor in eighth generation of Intel would be the I3-8100 that costs 105 eur.

In addition the I5-6600 uses, as they have said previously, DDR3L memory and, anyway it is a bit fair to treat your card and do streaming.

The I7-8700K is too powerful, it is a waste for your graphic card.

The options I would say are:

On Intel I5-8400 + any mobo B360
In AMD Ryzen 5 1600x + any mobo B350 (Ryzen 5 1600 if you like overclock)
it would be a little better Ryzen 5 2600 + any mobo B350, but then you should make sure that the bios of the mobo is up to date.

If you choose Intel you need DDR4 memory with speed 2666 or higher.
If you choose AMD you need DDR4 memory preferably with speed 3000 or 3200 (although you can run with speed 2666)


The options equivalent to an I5-6600 (somewhat lower than what I recommend) would be an I3-8100 or a Ryzen 5 1500x that could treat the graphics card without problems, but perhaps they would lack something for streaming.

In general, the Intel option is a bit better for games but this advantage is reversed by the fact that you want to stream.

 

[tibor.troselj.365]

Except that you can buy at a very cheap price, do not buy anything that is not current. That is to say 8th generation Coffee Lake of Intel or Ryzen of AMD.

The price of the I5-6600 indicated is very expensive. The equivalent processor in eighth generation of Intel would be the I3-8100 that costs 105 eur.

In addition the I5-6600 uses, as they have said previously, DDR3L memory and, anyway it is a bit fair to treat your card and do streaming.

The I7-8700K is too powerful, it is a waste for your graphic card.

The options I would say are:

On Intel I5-8400 + any mobo B360
In AMD Ryzen 5 1600x + any mobo B350 (Ryzen 5 1600 if you like overclock)
it would be a little better Ryzen 5 2600 + any mobo B350, but then you should make sure that the bios of the mobo is up to date.

If you choose Intel you need DDR4 memory with speed 2666 or higher.
If you choose AMD you need DDR4 memory preferably with speed 3000 or 3200 (although you can run with speed 2666)


The options equivalent to an I5-6600 (somewhat lower than what I recommend) would be an I3-8100 or a Ryzen 5 1500x that could treat the graphics card without problems, but perhaps they would lack something for streaming.

In general, the Intel option is a bit better for games but this advantage is reversed by the fact that you want to stream.

thank you for the opinion. I was thinking i7 8700K just so i dont have to upgrade it any time soon, so if i ever decide to replace the rx 470 with some better gpu, the cpu wont be an issue. however if i do get the i7 i'll have to get ddr4 too, which is an issue atm.
some1 mentioned that using ddr3 memory with the I5-6600 is a risk aswell, what do u think about this?
aswell I dont plan to buy anything based of AMD anymore, so only intel CPUs.
"Intel I5-8400 + any mobo B360" does this use ddr3 or ddr4 memory?
thank you.

 

[gingerrankin]

Let's clarify Whatever uses DDR3 / DDR3L / DDR4 is the motherboard, not the CPU.

All I7 and I5 processors in the eighth generation need motherboards that only use DDR4. Therefore any I5-8xxx or I7-8xxx requires DDR4. I5-8400 and I7-8700K sure.

The processors of the sixth generation I7-6xxx I5-6xxx can use motherboards of the sixth generation or the seventh. The vast majority of the motherboards of the sixth and all of the seventh use DDR4. A small fraction of the motherboard of the sixth use DDR3 / DDR3L.

DDR3 and DDR3L have the same pins with what fits one, fits the other (this does not happen with respect to DDR4). But DDR3 has 1.5 V and DDR3L 1.35 V.

Intel says that the I5-6xxx processors only support 1.35 V but, on the other hand, some motherboard manufacturers say they can both. Who has the reason? I dont know.

I think it will be difficult to find a motherboard of the sixth generation chipset (H110, H170, Z170) that supports DDR3. As I say most of them support DDR4 and since they are something old there are not many. They will also be overpriced.

 

[troselj.365.namesix]

Let's clarify Whatever uses DDR3 / DDR3L / DDR4 is the motherboard, not the CPU.

All I7 and I5 processors in the eighth generation need motherboards that only use DDR4. Therefore any I5-8xxx or I7-8xxx requires DDR4. I5-8400 and I7-8700K sure.

The processors of the sixth generation I7-6xxx I5-6xxx can use motherboards of the sixth generation or the seventh. The vast majority of the motherboards of the sixth and all of the seventh use DDR4. A small fraction of the motherboard of the sixth use DDR3 / DDR3L.

DDR3 and DDR3L have the same pins with what fits one, fits the other (this does not happen with respect to DDR4). But DDR3 has 1.5 V and DDR3L 1.35 V.

Intel says that the I5-6xxx processors only support 1.35 V but, on the other hand, some motherboard manufacturers say they can both. Who has the reason? I dont know.

I think it will be difficult to find a motherboard of the sixth generation chipset (H110, H170, Z170) that supports DDR3. As I say most of them support DDR4 and since they are something old there are not many. They will also be overpriced.

https://imgur.com/a/mfzWdEu

I was thinking about something like this, since i read this is the "best" 16gb ram out there, but im not sure if i should spend 200e on it and yet 170e on the cpu alone. I kinda want to have 16gb so the streaming is easier but is 200e neccesary for the ram or are there some cheaper ones, and maybe i can use the money to get a better cpu? atm the 3 items are roughly around 450e which was the budget. also, if i do get the i5 8400 I wont be able to overclock it, if i decide to get 8600K will i be able to overclock either the GPU or CPU or should i not overclock anything and leave them be like this? thank you.

 

[madmatt30]

Disregarding amd offhand is a very very big mistake when youve already mentioned steaming.
A 6c/12t ryzen is ideal,for your predicted usage

 

[madmatt30]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor (€169.59 @ Alza)
Motherboard: ASRock - B360 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€95.67 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (€143.52 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €408.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-11 17:30 CEST+0200

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (€158.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard (€84.31 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€152.74 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €395.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-11 17:32 CEST+0200

 

[gingerrankin]

If you want to overclock CPU or RAM on Intel (eighth generation) you need:
An unlocked "K" processor like the i7-8700K.
A motherboard Z370.
With a B360 motherboard you can not overclock with any processor. nor any RAM.
On the other hand the native maximum speed supported in the eighth generation for I5 and I7 is 2666. Above this is considered overclock. Therefore the DDR4 3200 memory will only run at this speed on a Z370 motherboard, on a B360 motherboard its maximum speed will be 2666.

For budgeting purposes remember that the "K" processors of intel do not include the cooler so you will have to buy it separately.
On the other hand if you want to make Overclock it has to be "a good motherboard" "a good / very good PSU" and "a good cooler". (not any)

 

[troselj.365.namesix]

Disregarding amd offhand is a very very big mistake when youve already mentioned steaming.
A 6c/12t ryzen is ideal,for your predicted usage

Im just having a lot of trouble with amd drivers on my rx 470, having to use months and months old drivers just so stuff doesnt lag or crash, always experimenting something. might be because my old other parts were bad aswell but just dont want amd anymore.

 

[troselj.365.namesix]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor (€169.59 @ Alza)
Motherboard: ASRock - B360 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€95.67 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (€143.52 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €408.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-11 17:30 CEST+0200

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (€158.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard (€84.31 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€152.74 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €395.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-11 17:32 CEST+0200

probably gonna get the I5 version, thank you for the recommendations.
edit; does the ram with it have 2400MHz? isnt 2666 the best one or does it not matter?
also the G.Skill ram u included are 193e now on amazon.de. is 200e for ram neccesary?

 

[troselj.365.namesix]

If you want to overclock CPU or RAM on Intel (eighth generation) you need:
An unlocked "K" processor like the i7-8700K.
A motherboard Z370.
With a B360 motherboard you can not overclock with any processor. nor any RAM.
On the other hand the native maximum speed supported in the eighth generation for I5 and I7 is 2666. Above this is considered overclock. Therefore the DDR4 3200 memory will only run at this speed on a Z370 motherboard, on a B360 motherboard its maximum speed will be 2666.

For budgeting purposes remember that the "K" processors of intel do not include the cooler so you will have to buy it separately.
On the other hand if you want to make Overclock it has to be "a good motherboard" "a good / very good PSU" and "a good cooler". (not any)

yeah im not gonna overclock anything then. if i get the i5-8400, any ram with over 2666MHz is unneccesary then?

 

[madmatt30]

2666 ram is absolutely fine,for an i5.

Just get the best priced stuff you can.

 

[troselj.365.namesix]

2666 ram is absolutely fine,for an i5.

Just get the best priced stuff you can.

so do i get
Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (€143.52 @ Amazon Deutschland)
or
G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€152.74 @ Amazon Deutschland)
for the i5 version u gave me? since the ballistix has 2400 memory, do i need 2666 or is 2400 fine too?

 

[madmatt30]

On ryzen fast ram matters, on Intel not so much.

The 3000mhz stuff 'might' give you 2fps more on the odd occasion.

The 2400 ballistix is fine, it can,overclock to 2933 anyway should you feel the need.

 

[troselj.365.namesix]

On ryzen fast ram matters, on Intel not so much.

The 3000mhz stuff 'might' give you 2fps more on the odd occasion.

The 2400 ballistix is fine, it can,overclock to 2933 anyway should you feel the need.

is it overclockable with the stuff i'll have? only the K version of cpu's are available for overclocking, + they need another motherboard to do it if im not wrong? so if i get the non-overclockable cpu+mobo, will i be able to OC my ram anyway? thanks