What do you think of AMD's Thuban

[DXcellence718]

You guys probably already heard the news, but now that amd's six core processor is coming out what are your thoughts. Personally im not really impressed, from what i've heard its only equivalent to an i7 quad but cost under $300. It is still the cheapest hex core a consumer can get, so i guess there still good for price/performance ratio(for a six core processor anyways)

 

[randomizer]

I'm impressed. This thread has not turned into an all-out flame war yet and we're already on page 3. Let's keep it that way, mmkay?

 

[BadTrip]

I'm impressed. This thread has not turned into an all-out flame war yet and we're already on page 3. Let's keep it that way, mmkay?

OK, Mr.Macky.

 

[keithlm]

OK, here are the facts as evidenced in these links. Just remember, in order to refute your "personal opinion", all that is needed is one fact to show that yes, turbo is not merely "trash" or a "benchmarketing gimmick" as you allege:

- Hardware Canucks shows anywhere from 6% to 23% performance boost with turbo on vs. turbo off for the i7-870.

- THG shows a 21% performance boost on the i5-750 on iTunes with turbo.

Ah... but you are now comparing apples to horse saddles.

You are showing results of Turbo ON versus OFF and you are claiming that it somehow answers the question I asked.

Sadly none of what you posted has anything to do with the fact that benchmarks are skewed by allowing people to pretend that the chip is running at a certain speed when it is in fact not actually running at that speed but is running at a faster speed. Perhaps some people that are not intelligent might ignore that fact and accept what you posted.

I'm not going to quote and answer the rest of your post: I will just let the rest of your post show that you are completely desperate and can't stand the fact that you still can not answer the simple question I asked in my earlier post. Since you can't directly answer it but must resort to making an attempt to divert attention to something else we'll just have to take that as an admission that you realize that you failed. Which you did... utterly.

There is no reason that any intelligent or knowledgeable person would accept the fact that claiming that something is running at a certain speed when it is in fact running at a faster speed is NOT some kind of marketing hype. Or gimmick. Sorry to rain on your parade. BTW: Keep trying... perhaps you might be able to come up with something that could refute all of this. (It won't happen, but it will keep us all amused.)

 

[Chad Boga]

There is no reason that any intelligent or knowledgeable person would accept the fact that claiming that something is running at a certain speed when it is in fact running at a faster speed is NOT some kind of marketing hype. Or gimmick. Sorry to rain on your parade. BTW: Keep trying... perhaps you might be able to come up with something that could refute all of this. (It won't happen, but it will keep us all amused.)

What a strange and trivial obsession you have over this, I guess it shows how desperate you are.

I know that there is the odd person who gets wowed thinking that the i5-750's IPC advantage over AMD's processors is awesome coz it is 2.66Ghz vs 3.4Ghz, when the i5-750 will actually be running faster than 2.66Ghz, but this is irrelevant to 95% of buyers anyway, as they just look at the cost of the performance.

So they see the i5-750 at whatever price it sells for in their part of the world, and thinks it makes sense to buy. Their buying decision wouldn't be influenced or changed against the i5-750's if its clock speed was advertised as being higher, in fact that probably hinders them, as I had to explain to a noob who was concerned that the i5-750's clockspeed of 2.66Ghz seemed low, and was initially attracted to the higher clock speeds of the PhII's.

But I did the right thing and educated them on the true performance that each chip would deliver. 😀

So Keith perhaps you should stop creating strawmen fantasy scenario's in your head and just face facts, the i5-750, i7-860 and i7-930, are awesome processors that AMD is struggling to compete against in the market place.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Ah... but you are now comparing apples to horse saddles.

You are showing results of Turbo ON versus OFF and you are claiming that it somehow answers the question I asked.

Sadly none of what you posted has anything to do with the fact that benchmarks are skewed by allowing people to pretend that the chip is running at a certain speed when it is in fact not actually running at that speed but is running at a faster speed. Perhaps some people that are not intelligent might ignore that fact and accept what you posted.

I'm not going to quote and answer the rest of your post: I will just let the rest of your post show that you are completely desperate and can't stand the fact that you still can not answer the simple question I asked in my earlier post. Since you can't directly answer it but must resort to making an attempt to divert attention to something else we'll just have to take that as an admission that you realize that you failed. Which you did... utterly.

There is no reason that any intelligent or knowledgeable person would accept the fact that claiming that something is running at a certain speed when it is in fact running at a faster speed is NOT some kind of marketing hype. Or gimmick. Sorry to rain on your parade. BTW: Keep trying... perhaps you might be able to come up with something that could refute all of this. (It won't happen, but it will keep us all amused.)

ROFL - yeah, Keith - keep trying to change the subject to your clock windmill. Sancho would be proud of you.

Let's reiterate a wee bit, shall we?

You make a blanket statement that turbo is "trash" and "worthless". No "IMO" or "IMHO", just a blanket statement.

So I post benchmarks with turbo on & turbo off to show what effect turbo actually has. Exactly how else do you suppose the turbo effect should be measured? C'mon, somebody with 1970's assembly coding experience as you so proudly claim, should be able to figure out the correct answer..

It appears that besides backpedaling furiously, you have now added dodging, weaving & ducking to your repertoire. A true one-man circus act if ever I saw one

 

[fazers_on_stun]

I'm impressed. This thread has not turned into an all-out flame war yet and we're already on page 3. Let's keep it that way, mmkay?

LOL - amazing, but true.

BTW, what was the original topic again?? Something about Tubas??

 

[keithlm]

ROFL - yeah, Keith - keep trying to change the subject to your clock windmill. Sancho would be proud of you.

Let's reiterate a wee bit, shall we?

You make a blanket statement that turbo is "trash" and "worthless". No "IMO" or "IMHO", just a blanket statement.

So I post benchmarks with turbo on & turbo off to show what effect turbo actually has. Exactly how else do you suppose the turbo effect should be measured? C'mon, somebody with 1970's assembly coding experience as you so proudly claim, should be able to figure out the correct answer..

It appears that besides backpedaling furiously, you have now added dodging, weaving & ducking to your repertoire. A true one-man circus act if ever I saw one

Would you like me to go back in this thread and point out that YOU happen to be the one attempting to change what was said?

Should I also point out that I did not say it was trash or worthless in this thread until YOU were desperate enough to go to another forum to attempt to find something you could use to disprove what I was saying? In addition I was careful to point out that you were attempting to disprove an obvious fact with an OPINION I posted in another forum?

Talk about backpedaling... you are truly exactly all of the thing you have attempted to call me. What a tool.

But it does make me happy that you could not find anything to prove me wrong and had to try to change the subject in a failed attempt. You are truly the Commodore of the Fail Boat.

 

[someguy7]

Useful? Useful in terms of benchmarketing maybe. No smart person would celebrate this feature as being something truly useful.

As for primitive version, LOL. 133mhz is good yes? :lol: , what does the i5 do, 400mhz best case? Yet Thuban does 500mhz best case and it's 'primitive' or 'less elegant'. Even though it does a lot more than intels laughable 'turbo', it's primitive? 😀

Um it does no where near as much as Intel's version. Of course more is not always better but Intel's version does a lot more. You are just as foolish as the person that says what AMD did was primitive.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Would you like me to go back in this thread and point out that YOU happen to be the one attempting to change what was said?

Should I also point out that I did not say it was trash or worthless in this thread until YOU were desperate enough to go to another forum to attempt to find something you could use to disprove what I was saying? In addition I was careful to point out that you were attempting to disprove an obvious fact with an OPINION I posted in another forum?

Well I know it's tough being something of an antediluvian artifact in an ever-changing modern world 😛, so let me help you with that. Just try to stay with me as I scroll alllllll the way back to page 1 in this 3-page thread, just in case those '70s assembly coding skills have trouble locating same :

Poor old Chad Bogus... doesn't realize that even though he wants to pretend it is an important feature; in the end it all comes down to only being effective in benchmarketing. Poor fool.

As for my understanding technology little lad... I was writing assembly language code back in the 70's. Understanding a stupid mechanism created mainly to affect benchmarking results is much less complicated.

So ignoring the ad hominem, the plain & ordinary meaning of your post is that turbo is only effective in benchmarketing. To now try & pretend otherwise just strains credulity, let alone your credibility. And I quoted your post over in AMDZone merely to add evidence of what you actually meant, to pin you down on the issue despite your Barnum & Bailey circus act.

Reminds me of the old Spike Jones joke about the African explorer, who was resting in camp when the guide comes rushing up.

"Oh Bwana - come quickly! Mr. Keith in quicksand, up to ankles!"

"Really? Why didn't you just throw the poor chap a rope and pull him out?"

"No good, Bwana - Mr. Keith in head-first!" 😀

 

[keithlm]

Well I know it's tough being something of an antediluvian artifact in an ever-changing modern world 😛, so let me help you with that. Just try to stay with me as I scroll alllllll the way back to page 1 in this 3-page thread, just in case those '70s assembly coding skills have trouble locating same :

Poor old Chad Bogus... doesn't realize that even though he wants to pretend it is an important feature; in the end it all comes down to only being effective in benchmarketing. Poor fool.

As for my understanding technology little lad... I was writing assembly language code back in the 70's. Understanding a stupid mechanism created mainly to affect benchmarking results is much less complicated.

So ignoring the ad hominem, the plain & ordinary meaning of your post is that turbo is only effective in benchmarketing. To now try & pretend otherwise just strains credulity, let alone your credibility. And I quoted your post over in AMDZone merely to add evidence of what you actually meant, to pin you down on the issue despite your Barnum & Bailey circus act.

Reminds me of the old Spike Jones joke about the African explorer, who was resting in camp when the guide comes rushing up.

"Oh Bwana - come quickly! Mr. Keith in quicksand, up to ankles!"

"Really? Why didn't you just throw the poor chap a rope and pull him out?"

"No good, Bwana - Mr. Keith in head-first!" 😀

Let me scroll all the way back to page one in this thread page thread and start searching for the word "trash" and/or "worthless". Would you like me to show the name of the poster that used either of those words FIRST in this thread?

Sorry.. that might rain on your little pity party. I"'m so sorry.

And BTW: As I alluded to in the quote you show in you last post where I was mentiong to your first officer on the Fail Boat, the Turbo-Boost feature does have a use: The ability to allow people to pretend the chip is running at it's base core speed to make it appear to be working better than it really is. You remember... the topic you are attempting to divert attention from in your desperate attempt to obscure the issue?

Sorry to point out that you are full of fail today.

 

[Chad Boga]

Let me scroll all the way back to page one in this thread page thread and start searching for the word "trash" and/or "worthless". Would you like me to show the name of the poster that used either of those words FIRST in this thread?

Sorry.. that might rain on your little pity party. I"'m so sorry.

And BTW: As I alluded to in the quote you show in you last post where I was mentiong to your first officer on the Fail Boat, the Turbo-Boost feature does have a use: The ability to allow people to pretend the chip is running at it's base core speed to make it appear to be working better than it really is. You remember... the topic you are attempting to divert attention from in your desperate attempt to obscure the issue?

Sorry to point out that you are full of fail today.

Keith,
Back in the day when the P4 had a notably clock speed advantage over the Athlon, the AMDroids and AMD management were pissing their pants that people would look at clock speed and think the P4 was the better chip, so AMD created their Performance Rating naming scheme.

Now that Intel's chips are at a slower clock, you make a fool of yourself and accuse Intel now of advertising low clock speeds to get some unfair advantage over poor AMD.

It is astonishing at the mountain of pure unadulterated idiocy that AMD Kool Aid drinkers keep coming up with, every time, man you guys reek of desperation.

 

[abhishekk89]

@ keithlm

seriously do you work for amd ??

 

[Chad Boga]

@ keithlm

seriously do you work for amd ??

AMD are not that much of a mickey mouse company.

 

[abhishekk89]

I was just joking... but keithlm's arguments sometimes irritates... doesn't want to let down amd on any count...

 

[The_Prophecy]

Dousing the flame war...

 

[DXcellence718]

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