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My old cumpeter has 16G DDR3. I am needing a new PC now. I have been told that the latest Tech uses NVME and the board has a slot for thgis. Does thge NVME replace the DDR memory. I was looking at getting rid of the HDDs as I have had problems with them. I was told that windows could be installed on this NVME. Does that mean that I keep the DDR memory which will probably be DDR4 or 5 now?

My idea was to have the NVME with windows 11
16G DDR memory
3 500G SSDs in the cage. seprating the softwre from my documents in a seprerate SSD which could be backed up. The way I see it the MVME would be to support windows only.

Any help on how these things work would be very helpful.

Desmond.
 
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I am not looking at any motherboard yet as I want a clear picture of how MVME integrates in the PC. I see that MVME is storage like SSD.

If I had 2 SSDs I would instal windows and software on one and my documents on another. I only need to back up that SSD. I think what this now means is that windows goes on the MVME drive and I would have 2 SSDs to play with. If that is the case, I only need a small MVME to support windoes 500G should be fine.

I am not looking at any motherboard yet as I want a clear picture of how MVME integrates in the PC.

When I got my laptop it has 500G SSD C: only. I use USB for my documents. Currently after one year of updates Windows 10 home edition takes up 150G. This includes Office and some other software. So a 500G MVME card could hold the windows.
 
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I am not interested in gaming. The only reson for the MVME is to free up one of my SSDs so I could have a D: and an E:. If booting off the MVME is quicker then that would be an advantage. Not having an MVME means I would probabblty whant 3 SSDs one JUST FOR windows. Don't want to put my valuble documents with windows to crash on me.
 
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NVMe is just the next type of solid state drive.

Faster than the typical SATA III, which you already have.

BUT...this 'faster' is generally only seen in benchmarks.
Contrary to above comments, the PC doesn't really boot up faster. Too many other things going on.

It does have the advantage of no cables.

And due to the recent price parity, they are no longer that much more expensive than SATA III drives.

Given a compatible motherboard, there is little reason to not get one.
Your OS and applications go on it.

What motherboard do you have?
 
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PaulDesmond said:
I am not interested in gaming. The only reson for the MVME is to free up one of my SSDs so I could have a D: and an E:. If booting off the MVME is quicker then that would be an advantage. Not having an MVME means I would probabblty whant 3 SSDs one JUST FOR windows. Don't want to put my valuble documents with windows to crash on me.
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LordVile said:
Not true. Games don’t load that much faster and the ones that do are not to a noticeable degree. It’s not a minute vs 5 seconds it’s more 20 seconds vs 15 which again is not the norm, they’re generally within margin of error.
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It is true actually because I never said how much faster I just said the loading times were faster which is true. I never said anything about it being significantly faster.
 
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Order 66 said:
It is true actually because I never said how much faster I just said the loading times were faster which is true. I never said anything about it being significantly faster.
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Nope, link I sent had a SATA SSDs beating NVME based ones. Their margin of error bar some outliers. The question is also about having it as a boot drive where it again makes no difference.
 
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LordVile said:
Nope, link I sent had a SATA SSDs beating NVME based ones. Their margin of error bar some outliers. The question is also about having it as a boot drive where it again makes no difference.
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first of all where is your source saying that SATA SSDs beat NVME? second of all, it is impossible (unless something is catastrophically wrong) for a SATA drive to be faster because SATA is limited to around 500 MB/s and NVMe drives can go up to 12 GB/s. don't just take it from me though. other knowledgable users will agree that NVMe is almost always faster than SATA.
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2 Types of M.2 SSDs: SATA and NVMe - Kingston Technology

There are two types of M.2 SSDs: SATA and NVMe. SATA uses an older interface designed around hard drives while NVMe is designed for flash memory.
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Order 66 said:
first of all where is your source saying that SATA SSDs beat NVME? second of all, it is impossible (unless something is catastrophically wrong) for a SATA drive to be faster because SATA is limited to around 500 MB/s and NVMe drives can go up to 12 GB/s. don't just take it from me though. other knowledgable users will agree that NVMe is almost always faster than SATA.
www.kingston.com

2 Types of M.2 SSDs: SATA and NVMe - Kingston Technology

There are two types of M.2 SSDs: SATA and NVMe. SATA uses an older interface designed around hard drives while NVMe is designed for flash memory.
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The link entitled “link” which takes you to real world benchmarks where all SSDs are level and trade places game to game?

Ah yes Kingston who sells storage will totally show you that the more expensive product isn’t worth it. Also it’s literally just a marketing piece, no actual numbers or tests.
 
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Order 66 said:
It is true actually because I never said how much faster I just said the loading times were faster which is true. I never said anything about it being significantly faster.
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Lets not play semantics.

For instance, in a 5 minute procedure, 2 seconds is "faster".
But not so you'd notice.

Your PCWorld article says little.

The big performance jump was moving from HDD to SSD.
Between the different flavors of SSD, not as much as the benchmark numbers indicate.


Here are some other 'tests'.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YoRKQy-UO4

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DKLA7w9eeA

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ9LyNXpsOo
 
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USAFRet said:
Lets not play semantics.

For instance, in a 5 minute procedure, 2 seconds is "faster".
But not so you'd notice.

Your PCWorld article says little.

The big performance jump was moving from HDD to SSD.
Between the different flavors of SSD, not as much as the benchmark numbers indicate.


Here are some other 'tests'.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YoRKQy-UO4

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DKLA7w9eeA

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ9LyNXpsOo
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I know, I was just trying to prove to the user that saying that an NVME drive was slower than a SATA drive is wrong.
 
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In things other than games, the rest of the system matters far more.

I have 6x SSDs in my system.
980 Pro, Intel 660-, 4x SATA III. All 1TB each.

Here is the times for rendering a 10 minute video.
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Differences so small as to be inconsequential.
 
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Order 66 said:
there is no link. here you go: https://www.pcworld.com/article/558324/nvme-vs-m-2-vs-sata-ssd-whats-the-difference.html
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LordVile said:
Vs a normal sata SSD the difference is minimal if there is a difference at all. In games that don’t utilise direct storage again not a significant difference, you’re talking maybe 6 seconds difference max on a fairly long load time with some not seeing any difference at all.

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Link. Entitled link. There are benchmarks in there showing a PCIE Gen 3 NVME drive performing “worse” than a SATA drive. They’re all within margin of error but if you’re playing semantics it’s still slower.
 
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LordVile said:
Link. Entitled link. There are benchmarks in there showing a PCIE Gen 3 NVME drive performing “worse” than a SATA drive. They’re all within margin of error but if you’re playing semantics it’s still slower.
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I may have missed it, but I didn’t see anything in that article that said a SATA drive performing better than a PCIE gen 3 drive. The article mentioned that in some games they were barely noticeable, but still faster.
 
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