Question What is NVME?

[PaulDesmond]

My old cumpeter has 16G DDR3. I am needing a new PC now. I have been told that the latest Tech uses NVME and the board has a slot for thgis. Does thge NVME replace the DDR memory. I was looking at getting rid of the HDDs as I have had problems with them. I was told that windows could be installed on this NVME. Does that mean that I keep the DDR memory which will probably be DDR4 or 5 now?

My idea was to have the NVME with windows 11
16G DDR memory
3 500G SSDs in the cage. seprating the softwre from my documents in a seprerate SSD which could be backed up. The way I see it the MVME would be to support windows only.

Any help on how these things work would be very helpful.

Desmond.

 

[USAFRet]

I know and it didn’t seem like the charts showed that the NVME drives were slower than the SATA ones. Would you mind mentioning the specific game or chart you are seeing this behavior?

We are discussing single digit percentage differences.

Lets leave this bit alone, OK?

 

[Order 66]

We are discussing single digit percentage differences.

Lets leave this bit alone, OK?

Yeah, I apologize, I was just trying to prove a point.

 

[Colif]

i noticed a difference going from ssd on old pc to nvme on this one but then everything else changed at same time so difficult to judge how much is the nvme.

If op wants an nvme for windows, there is no reason he can't have one. It isn't slower than a sata ssd, that is for sure. So no loss.

 

[CountMike]

I don't know about others but I do notice difference even between two NVME drives of speed difference. One is Samsung 970 evo plus in PCIe x4 gen3.0 and other one 960evo in PCIe x4 gen2.0. (so half speed) Both are BOOT/OS disks with Windows11, Differences are small (5 seconds for boot time and 2-3 to start programs/games)but visible.
Speed aside (Heck.I lived with 10-15 minutes loading with audio tape drives) in early '80s but now I'm delighted having 5 M.2 drives in main PC and no SATA drives. My PC case now looks almost empty without those 10 cables for SATA drives and HDD bays empty and removed. If I had to, I would even sacrifice speed just for that.
PS. used 4 of removed SATA SSDs with USB 3.2 adapter(s) to make ultra fast re-moveables two of which with Linux.

 

[thestryker]

Yeah, I apologize, I was just trying to prove a point.

I was trying to ignore this conversation but the link which was shared clearly shows the performance differences. In the Borderlands 3 chart for example (it's not the only one) even an external SSD (SATA SSD in USB configuration) is faster than some of the NVMe drives.

This is definitely a you just not looking through even the charts thing as it took me seconds to find it.

 

[Phillip Corcoran]

Reality Check --- all of this wrangling over who is right isn't helping the OP. Come on guys.

 

[LordVile]

I know and it didn’t seem like the charts showed that the NVME drives were slower than the SATA ones. Would you mind mentioning the specific game or chart you are seeing this behavior?

Red dead the 870 beats the SN550

Borderlands 3 the SATA drives place 3rd, 4th and 5th

Outerworlds we have SATA drives in 4th and 5th

Planet coaster again we have SATA drives placing above NVME drives

 

[Colif]

Not all nvme drives are great... we get that. Just as not all ssd ones are either.

Not asking for an example but I doubt many ssd beat a 990 Pro.

 

[LordVile]

Not all nvme drives are great... we get that. Just as not all ssd ones are either.

Not asking for an example but I doubt many ssd beat a 990 Pro.

*SATA. They’re all SSDs bud 😉

OP was asking about boot drives and NVME. Many people pointed out that the difference between SATA and NVME for most scenarios is negligible. The entire gaming numbers thing was showing someone who drank too much marketing koolaid that NVME in general workloads and in 99% of games does not make a noticeable difference if there is one at all.

 

[Colif]

Yeah, they no better for gaming.

*SATA. They’re all SSDs bud

Its a question of words. there is no term to differentiate the 2.5inch sata ssd with the m,2 ones. So me calling the sata ones ssd is just me not having a term to use for the format.

Most people know ssd as the sata variety. While there are some sata m.2, most aren't. I don't know if the pcie ones are replacing the sata ones completely, it would make sense not to make both, but I haven't looked at it really. I can't see anything about it. Its a question of who drops support first, motherboard makers or drive makers. Might stick around for a while to come.

 

[Order 66]

Yeah, they no better for gaming.



Its a question of words. there is no term to differentiate the 2.5inch sata ssd with the m,2 ones. So me calling the sata ones ssd is just me not having a term to use for the format.

Most people know ssd as the sata variety. While there are some sata m.2, most aren't. I don't know if the pcie ones are replacing the sata ones completely, it would make sense not to make both, but I haven't looked at it really. I can't see anything about it. Its a question of who drops support first, motherboard makers or drive makers. Might stick around for a while to come.

I think SATA ssds are helped by the fact that they are currently available in higher capacities like 15.3Tb that NVME just can’t match, at least not yet. (I know that most people probably can’t afford a 15tb ssd, but still)

 

[Colif]

currently available in higher capacities like 15.3Tb

enterprise go bigger - https://hexus.net/tech/news/storage/144040-nimbus-data-shares-pricing-50tb-100tb-exadrive-ssds/
still no 16tb nvme but its in the works.

 

[Order 66]

enterprise go bigger - https://hexus.net/tech/news/storage/144040-nimbus-data-shares-pricing-50tb-100tb-exadrive-ssds/
still no 16tb nvme but its in the works.

Yeah i watch an LTT video about that 100tb drive and I completely forgot about it. I was just referencing the highest capacity ssd you can find on PCpartpicker, which IIRC costs $1200.