what size power supply will i need?

[robloxiaking123]

pc specs

AMD FX-8370 overclocked to 4.6ghz

msi 970 pro gaming motherboard

16gb of ddr3 1866

a 1050ti overclocked to 1911mghz

a SSD

6 120mm fans

 

[LordVile]

Ok. I can understand that logic. But since you went in that direction, please enlighten us. Name a single decent 600w psu. (that's a dare btw)

Boop: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DmWrxr/evga-bq-600w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-110-bq-0600-k1

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Ok. I can understand that logic. But since you went in that direction, please enlighten us. Name a single decent 600w psu. (that's a dare btw)

Boop: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DmWrxr/evga-bq-600w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-110-bq-0600-k1

We don't know much about that power supply. From a little research I just did I see it's made by Andyson and I see an internal picture of the platform, but I don't see any reviews on it. All the reviews are of the higher wattage BQs which are an entirely different PSU on the inside. Source: http://www.orionpsudb.com/evga

 

[LordVile]

Ok. I can understand that logic. But since you went in that direction, please enlighten us. Name a single decent 600w psu. (that's a dare btw)

Boop: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DmWrxr/evga-bq-600w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-110-bq-0600-k1

We don't know much about that power supply. From a little research I just did I see it's made by Andyson and I see an internal picture of the platform, but I don't see any reviews on it. All the reviews are of the higher wattage BQs which are an entirely different PSU on the inside. Source: http://www.orionpsudb.com/evga

EVGA Bronze series PSUs are generally decent though. You could get a CX650 for about 60 too which aren't bad PSUs

 

[turkey3_scratch]

EVGA Bronze series PSUs are generally decent though. You could get a CX650 for about 60 too which aren't bad PSUs

I still want to make clear here that we have a complete disagreement on wattage here. I'd recommend a 450W PSU for OP. Perfectly suits the OP's specs. I do not find it worth it to spend extra money at the moment for something that very well might not be needed down the road.

 

[Karadjgne]

I'm sorry, but the Evga 600B is not a decent unit at all. Saying a broad statement like the Bronze units are generally decent is kinda misleading. None of the B1, G1, nex, W1 units from Evga are worth a damn.

550w Bronze, yeah there's some very good units, 650w Bronze and even a scattering of 750w Bronze are decent, but not 500w or 600w or 700w. 90% of those are low grade 'builder' units at best.

CXM 450w will run that pc just fine, at @280-300w pushed there's still @150w extra. You could easily run a gtx1060 on that psu.

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-02/be-quiet-pure-power-10-cm-evga-bq-test/2/

Closest thing to a review there is on the 500BQ. Translated, it's a Teapo filled hunk a junk.

If you want to spend extra for a 650w unit, that's fine, it's not enough overkill to affect anything since maxed out it's still right around the 50% load levels, but for crimineys sake at least spend your cash on a decent unit, something with a 7yr or 10yr warranty that has outputs that'll not damage other components and are tight enough to keep high OC stable. Just because a company claims output ripple under 50mv (that's a huge number btw) doesn't mean they aren't 49mv... Good luck with high OC stability with that.

 

[LordVile]

I'm sorry, but the Evga 600B is not a decent unit at all. Saying a broad statement like the Bronze units are generally decent is kinda misleading. None of the B1, G1, nex, W1 units from Evga are worth a damn.

550w Bronze, yeah there's some very good units, 650w Bronze and even a scattering of 750w Bronze are decent, but not 500w or 600w or 700w. 90% of those are low grade 'builder' units at best.

CXM 450w will run that pc just fine, at @280-300w pushed there's still @150w extra. You could easily run a gtx1060 on that psu.

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-02/be-quiet-pure-power-10-cm-evga-bq-test/2/

Closest thing to a review there is on the 500BQ. Translated, it's a Teapo filled hunk a junk.

If you want to spend extra for a 650w unit, that's fine, it's not enough overkill to affect anything since maxed out it's still right around the 50% load levels, but for crimineys sake at least spend your cash on a decent unit, something with a 7yr or 10yr warranty that has outputs that'll not damage other components and are tight enough to keep high OC stable. Just because a company claims output ripple under 50mv (that's a huge number btw) doesn't mean they aren't 49mv... Good luck with high OC stability with that.

The lower End EVGA and Corsair units are fine if you don't push them hard. I like modular so I always end up picking ones leading into the higher end (not premium like getting into 1000W and plats) like in mine now I have a G2 650W which is a solid supply by superflower, because I do see the PSU as a part you really don't want to cheap out on, like to save money get a smaller SSD or a cheaper board that matters way less unless you want to put a crazy OC on it. I just did a quick calculator because I thought you're way off with a 450 being enough for the FX chip at that speed and an OC'd 1060 and it's estimated pulling near 500W at 90% load.

The low end Be Quiet PSUs are shit. I'm a be quiet fanboy and freely admit that unless you're going for a Dark Power Pro just don't bother because the lower end stuff is inconsistent with manufacturers and generally bad when you get to the Pure power line.

 

[robloxiaking123]

i have decided to go abit overkill but i have the extra money so im going for a evga supernova 850w 80+platinum

 

[robloxiaking123]

thankyou for all the help

 

[Karadjgne]

Dunno how you got 500w power draw at 90%, that's not realistic for any cpu other than an fx 9 series cpu.

Evga FTW 1060 is only 150w draw, reference is 120w.
200w oc
100w for drives, fans, mobo etc is still a little on the high side.
At maximum, with everything at 100%,(physically impossible) that's still only 450w. You'd be hard pressed to get any pc pushed past @70%, that's including all the Sata, USB, pcie etc since nothing runs at 100% except in odd situations. There isn't a game I own that'll take my i7-3770K past 55% usage and the only time I can get my gtx970 to 99%usage is with a 4k DSR, otherwise it maxes out at @63% at best, with a 124% user OC.
Minimum Evga recommended psu for a gtx1060 FTW is a 400w psu. That's all. And those recommendations usually run high to take into account crap psus.

 

[LordVile]

Dunno how you got 500w power draw at 90%, that's not realistic for any cpu other than an fx 9 series cpu.

Evga FTW 1060 is only 150w draw, reference is 120w.
200w oc
100w for drives, fans, mobo etc is still a little on the high side.
At maximum, with everything at 100%,(physically impossible) that's still only 450w. You'd be hard pressed to get any pc pushed past @70%, that's including all the Sata, USB, pcie etc since nothing runs at 100% except in odd situations. There isn't a game I own that'll take my i7-3770K past 55% usage and the only time I can get my gtx970 to 99%usage is with a 4k DSR, otherwise it maxes out at @63% at best, with a 124% user OC.
Minimum Evga recommended psu for a gtx1060 FTW is a 400w psu. That's all. And those recommendations usually run high to take into account crap psus.

A FX chip at 4.6-5 GHz runs at about 220-250W + an OC 1060 is 420-450W alone. An FX chip is not an i7, it is essentially a very weak 4 core that can be ran at 100% very easily.

 

[Karadjgne]

There isn't a gtx1060 on the planet that runs anything close. Even OC models only use a 8pin pcie, that's 225w max, which is not used. You'd be lucky to see any card hit 170w.

And you will not ever see a gpu & cpu both at 100% usage. The pc would be unusable. Out of that 370 theoretical watts, at best you'd see 340-350 usage in a torture test. Try it, run Prime95 small fft and try and do anything else. It'll take several minutes just to open task manager.

And at 4.9GHz, yes, you can expect even my 77w i7 to be pulling 200w on the OC.

Op, an 850w Platinum rated psu is so far overkill for anything you'd ever run is pathetic. The 850w Plat units are what ppl running SLI gtx 1080ti use.

For best efficiency, thermal results, power output, power ripple output etc you want to stay about 50-70% of what you actually use. Your pc will run just fine on a good 450w psu, a good 550w would be best. Even heavy gaming you'll not exceed 400w usage, closer to 280-300w.

 

[LordVile]

There isn't a gtx1060 on the planet that runs anything close. Even OC models only use a 8pin pcie, that's 225w max, which is not used. You'd be lucky to see any card hit 170w.

And you will not ever see a gpu & cpu both at 100% usage. The pc would be unusable. Out of that 370 theoretical watts, at best you'd see 340-350 usage in a torture test. Try it, run Prime95 small fft and try and do anything else. It'll take several minutes just to open task manager.

And at 4.9GHz, yes, you can expect even my 77w i7 to be pulling 200w on the OC.

Op, an 850w Platinum rated psu is so far overkill for anything you'd ever run is pathetic. The 850w Plat units are what ppl running SLI gtx 1080ti use.

For best efficiency, thermal results, power output, power ripple output etc you want to stay about 50-70% of what you actually use. Your pc will run just fine on a good 450w psu, a good 550w would be best. Even heavy gaming you'll not exceed 400w usage, closer to 280-300w.

Where are you getting 370 theoretical from? 100% load (which games can do because it's a weak CPU) would be 220-250W on the CPU, 200W on the GPU and change from everything else and you would have no upgrade path.

 

[Karadjgne]

The fx at 4.6GHz to 5.0GHz will not pull 250w, 200-225 at best. The gpu will not pull 200w either, not even close. It's 120w for reference design, the FTW is maxed out at 150w and even if you could bump over that level, you'd still only get @170w tops.

So 200w for cpu OC + 170w for gpu OC = 370w. That's a lot more realistic figure than the 450w you are imagining. However, you'll never get both to 100%. Even running torture tests, you'll be lucky to get 1 to 100%, the other will throttle @50%.

As I said, try it yourself. Grab msi kombuster and run any of the more intense graphics tests, the fuzzy donut doesn't even do 100%gpu. Then try and run Prime95 small fft. Watch fps go in the toilet. If it doesn't crash the pc.

Just because a cpu is weak means nothing, it still processes graphics code the same, just slower. Doesn't mean usage will change. That's entirely dependent on the game code and threads used and to what extent. I've seen gta:V drive i5-7600k to 100% usage, i7-3770 sits around 55%. Gpu around 30% on the i5 and 60% on the i7. The i5 7600k is not a weak cpu at all, yet it got throttled hard due to 100% loads. No way you'll ever see any game run cpu at 100%, gpu at 100% simultaneously. So forget about theoretical max wattage of both as it'll never happen. 70% of both is about all you'll ever get, whether that's 100% cpu/50% gpu or 50% cpu/100% gpu or any other combination. So with all that OC wattage adding upto @370w, expect at most you'll be actually using @70% of that max, at best. In other words @280w. Not 450w.

 

[Karadjgne]

I'll put it another way, try and understand.

Right now, if you add up all the breakers in my house panel, the total comes to 435A. The main breaker for that panel is 200A. How can you run 435A worth of breakers on a 200A mains? Easy. There's no way, ever, impossible to imagine that every single breaker will ever run its full amperage rating. Ever. Can't run heat and air conditioning at the same time, won't ever see every bathroom using hairdryers while the stove is maxed out, the dryer running, washer, every light on, every plug circuit in every room filled to capacity etc. Never happen no matter how big the party. It's call load calculations. 435A is the theoretical total from the breakers, but you'll never see anything close to that, on an average day the maximum amount pulled at any given time on the house panel will be lucky to see 150A. Well under the 200A main breaker size limit.

Even if you took that 450w figure you came up with, at best you'd be pulling @300w, plus Mebe another 50w for the rest of the pc. Still under the 450w limit.

 

[LordVile]

The fx at 4.6GHz to 5.0GHz will not pull 250w, 200-225 at best. The gpu will not pull 200w either, not even close. It's 120w for reference design, the FTW is maxed out at 150w and even if you could bump over that level, you'd still only get @170w tops.

So 200w for cpu OC + 170w for gpu OC = 370w. That's a lot more realistic figure than the 450w you are imagining. However, you'll never get both to 100%. Even running torture tests, you'll be lucky to get 1 to 100%, the other will throttle @50%.

As I said, try it yourself. Grab msi kombuster and run any of the more intense graphics tests, the fuzzy donut doesn't even do 100%gpu. Then try and run Prime95 small fft. Watch fps go in the toilet. If it doesn't crash the pc.

Just because a cpu is weak means nothing, it still processes graphics code the same, just slower. Doesn't mean usage will change. That's entirely dependent on the game code and threads used and to what extent. I've seen gta:V drive i5-7600k to 100% usage, i7-3770 sits around 55%. Gpu around 30% on the i5 and 60% on the i7. The i5 7600k is not a weak cpu at all, yet it got throttled hard due to 100% loads. No way you'll ever see any game run cpu at 100%, gpu at 100% simultaneously. So forget about theoretical max wattage of both as it'll never happen. 70% of both is about all you'll ever get, whether that's 100% cpu/50% gpu or 50% cpu/100% gpu or any other combination. So with all that OC wattage adding upto @370w, expect at most you'll be actually using @70% of that max, at best. In other words @280w. Not 450w.

I've hit 100% GPU usage in games before, when I had a 1070 Modern Warfare remastered made it scream (literally)because of how poorly optimised it was.
The base TDP (90% load) for a FX 9590 is 220W. GTAV is a CPU intensive game of course it will throttle the GPU with anything less than an i7 but a weak CPU in a GPU intensive title will run at 100% and the GPU will run close to that too.

PSU calculator for this system with a 1060 overclocked to around 1900Mhz with no memory OC spits out 440W of usage with a recommended 500W PSU and a link to a 700W PSU.

 

[Karadjgne]

It's wrong. They usually are. Understand, that calculator is paid for by the vendor selling the 700w psu. If you had a 440w actual load, there's absolutely no way anyone would ever recommend a 500w psu. Nobody with a clue anyways. With a 440w actual load, minimum recommendation would be at least a good quality 650w psu, with a strong recommendation for a quality 750w psu just to keep the psu operating in the 50-70ish % load range.

I'll put $ on the fact that if you do follow that link, that 700w psu is a piece of junk.

Do you understand what TDP is? Thermal design power is a number set by Amd after running a standardized series of apps. It's basically a mediocre showing at best. Peak power is actual maximum thermal wattage (thermal watts and electrical watts are different numbers, but close enough they are counted as the same) and usually runs at @1.5-2x TDP, depending on the cpu. An i7 using 8 threads would be closer to 2x TDP, an i5 using 4 threads closer to 1.5x TDP.

So dunno where you get op's fx 8370 is now a 9590 and 220w is TDP at stock levels using close to 50-60% loads, not 90% loads. The only consumer grade cooler that'll keep a FX9590 in safe thermal margins under 100% loads is full custom loop. Even a 350w+ 280mm AIO won't do it.

 

[LordVile]

It's wrong. They usually are. Understand, that calculator is paid for by the vendor selling the 700w psu. If you had a 440w actual load, there's absolutely no way anyone would ever recommend a 500w psu. Nobody with a clue anyways. With a 440w actual load, minimum recommendation would be at least a good quality 650w psu, with a strong recommendation for a quality 750w psu just to keep the psu operating in the 50-70ish % load range.

I'll put $ on the fact that if you do follow that link, that 700w psu is a piece of junk.

Do you understand what TDP is? Thermal design power is a number set by Amd after running a standardized series of apps. It's basically a mediocre showing at best. Peak power is actual maximum thermal wattage (thermal watts and electrical watts are different numbers, but close enough they are counted as the same) and usually runs at @1.5-2x TDP, depending on the cpu. An i7 using 8 threads would be closer to 2x TDP, an i5 using 4 threads closer to 1.5x TDP.

So dunno where you get op's fx 8370 is now a 9590 and 220w is TDP at stock levels using close to 50-60% loads, not 90% loads. The only consumer grade cooler that'll keep a FX9590 in safe thermal margins under 100% loads is full custom loop. Even a 350w+ 280mm AIO won't do it.

You do realise that a 700W PSU at 80% load is only about 550W right? And you want to be running the PSU at 50-80% that's why it recommends the 700 with a 500 minimum for a 440W load. And the PSU was a masterwatt so not the best PSU but not a bad one.

That's why I looked at benches with the 9590 as it's just a binned FX 8xxx chip and it drew 250W.

And AIO's aren't rated in TDP because they're really bad when rated that way so why you using it for one? You'd be fine with a decent 280mm rad AIO you don't need a full custom loop.

 

[Karadjgne]

Really? So a 140w corsair h60 isn't rated well? Cuz last I heard, the 140w h60 had almost identical performance to a 140w hyper212.

And no. The 9 series FX originally came with a H80i equivalent aio, which has almost identical performance to a h100i, except for top end, but many cases wouldn't even support a 240mm AIO (at the time). That was later dropped by Amd, who then sold the fx9 at @$100 cheaper without the cooler, simply because a) it couldn't handle anything past TDP 50-60% usage and keep thermal margins out of the teens, and b) nobody used such a small cooler, ppl were opting to use at least 280mm or full custom loop if they wanted to game at the stock 4.7GHz or better.

And yes, aios do have a TDP rating, it's just not as specific as aircoolers since ambient temps affect aios slightly differently as well as orientation, intake/exhaust, which aircoolers have no need for.

 

[LordVile]

Really? So a 140w corsair h60 isn't rated well? Cuz last I heard, the 140w h60 had almost identical performance to a 140w hyper212.

And no. The 9 series FX originally came with a H80i equivalent aio, which has almost identical performance to a h100i, except for top end, but many cases wouldn't even support a 240mm AIO (at the time). That was later dropped by Amd, who then sold the fx9 at @$100 cheaper without the cooler, simply because a) it couldn't handle anything past TDP 50-60% usage and keep thermal margins out of the teens, and b) nobody used such a small cooler, ppl were opting to use at least 280mm or full custom loop if they wanted to game at the stock 4.7GHz or better.

And yes, aios do have a TDP rating, it's just not as specific as aircoolers since ambient temps affect aios slightly differently as well as orientation, intake/exhaust, which aircoolers have no need for.

It isn't rated. Look at the product page or any of the specs in the manual and it isn't rated because, as you said, it varies far too much.

The 9590 is just a binned and overclocked FX 8xxx. I didn't mention anything about its cooling and I know it shipped with a 120mm watercooler. I'm confused at hat point you're trying to make.

 

[Karadjgne]

And yet if you look at the specs sheet on many pc cases, especially aftermarket cases, invariably the one vital piece of info missing is CPU Clearance Height. Does that imply there isn't one? No. Just means a failure to reveal. You have to either check the cooler manual, sometimes the side of the box, sometimes it's not officially listed anywhere, you'll have to look up reviews or ask the case support. AIO's are not necessarily any different. Neither are aircoolers, many do not list TDP as that's a limiting factor and the vendor just wants to make money on the ignorant.

 

[LordVile]

And yet if you look at the specs sheet on many pc cases, especially aftermarket cases, invariably the one vital piece of info missing is CPU Clearance Height. Does that imply there isn't one? No. Just means a failure to reveal. You have to either check the cooler manual, sometimes the side of the box, sometimes it's not officially listed anywhere, you'll have to look up reviews or ask the case support. AIO's are not necessarily any different. Neither are aircoolers, many do not list TDP as that's a limiting factor and the vendor just wants to make money on the ignorant.

What cases are you looking at? every case I've looked at has CPU clearance in it.
Any decent aircooler has the TDP on it even box coolers have it. AIOs don't because as you stated they don't have a definite TDP as it fluctuates even with water temp.