Whatever happened to maps?

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Walter Mitty wrote:
> DalienX wrote:
>
>> Nostromo wrote:
>>
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>>> I mean, we have FarCry, Doom3, HL2 & a myriad of fps games that are
>>> getting closer to photorealistic, but somewhere along the line they
>>> completely forgot to add the f#$king maps in ffs! Anyone else
>>> remember the good ol days of Doom & DN3D? Is Quake to blame? I
>>> vaguely recall it not having a map of any sort. Even Descent had a
>>> map & it was really 3d! *wistful sigh*
>>
>>
>>
>> What are you talking about, all games have maps.
>>
>
> Could you name one single FPS that comes with a map utility/feature?

Morrowind. Okay.. not a shooter but it does have space-over-space cells
and has a map feature. It's not an auto-map system as the maps are
pre-rendered bitmaps that are blacked out until you explore the area fully.


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Hank the Rapper wrote:
> Walter Mitty wrote:
>
>
>>Could you name one single FPS that comes with a map utility/feature?
>
>
> Doom 1, 2, and Final Doom.
>
>

Sorry, I meant to infer "modern". The fact that older ones had maps was
assumed.

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"Chadwick" <chadwick110@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> As for Far Cry, why would your character have a map of the island?

Well, Jack carries around that PDA/phone device. The game designers could
have easily rigged the story such that Doyle downloaded maps to it for him.
Personally, I think it would have ruined the game somewhat. Exploring is
part of the fun of the game... i.e., wondering when the road ends, what's
over the that hill, around that bend, etc.

 

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bk039@ncf.ca (Raymond Martineau) wrote:
>On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:33:00 -0700, "Hank the Rapper"
><xflopgoon@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Walter Mitty wrote:
>>
>>> Could you name one single FPS that comes with a map utility/feature?
>>
>>Doom 1, 2, and Final Doom.
>>
>
>No, that FPS had the map utilities seperate from the official distribution.
>Most of these tools available were generally a bit difficult to use, or
>were shareware restricted in one way or another. In addition, some of them
>were a bit more limited then the Doom enging and failed to load some large
>levels.
>
>Serious Sam, on the other hand, fully qualifies - it has a map editor
>released along with the game, along with a quick tutorial to produce a
>simple map and various examples to show some common tricks.

LOL. None of you stupid dickwads read the OP did you?
He's talking about AUTOMAPS.

 

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Thusly Vader des Vaderlands <vader@vaderlands.nl> Spake Unto All:

>> Could you name one single FPS that comes with a map utility/feature?
>
>Morrowind. Okay.. not a shooter but it does have space-over-space cells
>and has a map feature. It's not an auto-map system as the maps are
>pre-rendered bitmaps that are blacked out until you explore the area fully.

Plus Riddick plus pretty much ever tactical shooter out there, from
Americas Army to Project IGI.

 

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> From listening half way through the commentary, they've mentioned that
> there is a special bonus for finding all the cigs. Sounds like
> something good.. After I finished with the 2nd play with commentary I
> was going to use the 'give all' cheat and see what finding all the
> cigs would unlock, but if you know of some "printout" I'm all for
> going that route.
>

Check out www.gamefaqs.com. The PC walk through is incomplete, but
there are a few complete ones in the Xbox area. There are probably
slight differences but I would think that it is mostly the same game,
especially when it comes to cig placement....

Kevin

 

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Thus spake riku <riku@invalid.none.com>, Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:36:52 GMT, Anno
Domini:

>On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 18:28:22 +1100, Nostromo
><nostromo@spamfree.net.au> wrote:
>
>>I mean, we have FarCry, Doom3, HL2 & a myriad of fps games that are getting
>>closer to photorealistic, but somewhere along the line they completely
>>forgot to add the f#$king maps in ffs! Anyone else remember the good ol days
>>of Doom & DN3D? Is Quake to blame? I vaguely recall it not having a map of
>>any sort. Even Descent had a map & it was *really* 3d! *wistful sigh*
>
>Maps are needed only in old kind of corridor-shooter FPS games where
>all the corridors look the same. Not needed in modern FPS games with
>more variety and no maze-type levels.

Yeah, true, but I like playing cartographer sometimes & revealing the entire
map! (I still do it in CoH

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bk039@ncf.ca (Raymond Martineau) wrote in
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> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:33:00 -0700, "Hank the Rapper"
> <xflopgoon@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Walter Mitty wrote:
>>
>>> Could you name one single FPS that comes with a map utility/feature?
>>
>>Doom 1, 2, and Final Doom.
>>
>
> No, that FPS had the map utilities seperate from the official
> distribution. Most of these tools available were generally a bit
> difficult to use, or were shareware restricted in one way or another.
> In addition, some of them were a bit more limited then the Doom enging
> and failed to load some large levels.
>
> Serious Sam, on the other hand, fully qualifies - it has a map editor
> released along with the game, along with a quick tutorial to produce a
> simple map and various examples to show some common tricks.

You're misunderstanding the question. Or all the rest of us are.

Most of us interpreted WM's question to refer to an in-game map that the
player can use to see where he's been.


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Vader des Vaderlands wrote:
> I think you've hit at the core of the problem: as the games become
> more architecturely advanced in a 3D space they become more complex to
> auto-map.

Maps still work fine. Either 2D (KOTOR, Zelda WW) or 3D maps (Metroid
Prime).

 

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On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:52:46 +1100, Nostromo
<nostromo@spamfree.net.au> wrote:

>>Maps are needed only in old kind of corridor-shooter FPS games where
>>all the corridors look the same. Not needed in modern FPS games with
>>more variety and no maze-type levels.
>
>Yeah, true, but I like playing cartographer sometimes & revealing the entire
>map! (I still do it in CoH

Of the recent FPS games, Doom 3 is probably the closest of needing an
automap due to the tight maze-like indoors levels. "Fortunately" Doom
3 was very linear, so you didn't necessarily get lost that easily. But
there were some times where I went "WTF? Didn't I visit this area
already? I guess I am going the wrong way.".

Halo was a bit similar sometimes.

 

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Walter Mitty wrote:
> DalienX wrote:
>
>> Nostromo wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I mean, we have FarCry, Doom3, HL2 & a myriad of fps games that are
>>> getting closer to photorealistic, but somewhere along the line they
>>> completely forgot to add the f#$king maps in ffs! Anyone else
>>> remember the good ol days of Doom & DN3D? Is Quake to blame? I
>>> vaguely recall it not having a map of any sort. Even Descent had a
>>> map & it was really 3d! *wistful sigh*
>>
>>
>>
>> What are you talking about, all games have maps.
>>
>
> Could you name one single FPS that comes with a map utility/feature?

Riddick