whats so good about 64bit cpus?

[Action_Man]

But why would they put those limits in anyways?

So you'll buy the more expensive version, duh!

 

[nesck]

WTF, do you have ADD? I answered it about 5min ago.

No, you did not awnser it.

 

[purplerat]

But why would they put those limits in anyways? They could easily make it 4gb. They took time and effort to make the operating system WORSE.

Let's break this down for you like you're a moron. MS makes a very weak Starter edition to sell very cheap to those who can afford nothing more. If they make it better then those who can afford more will buy it. Then MS has to raise the price to meet supply and demand. Now those who could only afford the cheapest can't afford any at all just so dirtbags like you can save a few dollars and not have to buy the standard edition.

 

[purplerat]

Handling more data will make computing more efficient. ie 16bit to 32 bit.

There's my answer AGAIN. Why don't you go do like Bart Simpson and write it 100 times on the blackboard so you don't forget.

 

[xsandman]

1. 64bit cpu has 64bit wide registers, not extra registers.

Please throw yourself in front of an oncoming bus.

Whats that then?

Do some proper research on it moron.

That is for 32bit and 64bit support. A true cpu with 64bit support doesn't have that added, get ur facts straight.

Do you see what the word "added" means in that picture?
good game, you truely don't know what your talking about.

Yes, it is "added" because it has to be "added" to get from 32bits to 64bits. A true 64bit CPU wouldn't have it "added", it would be there in the first place. Imagine a pure 32bit CPU not having those "added" sections and a try 64 bit CPU not having those "purple" sections.

 

[nesck]

Yes, it is "added" because it has to be "added" to get from 32bits to 64bits. A true 64bit CPU wouldn't have it "added", it would be there in the first place. Imagine a pure 32bit CPU not having those "added" sections and a try 64 bit CPU not having those "purple" sections.

You have just proven to me that 64bit supported cpu's cost more than if they were made not to support 32bit. What are the advantages that 64bit offers over 32bit again? And the 32bit part was left in for 32bit support.

 

[corvetteguy]

You STILL have not explained why Windows Vista starter edition will only support up to 256mb of ram.

I think it may be important to consider that even if vista starter could support more ram the computers its running on probably arent going to be in a position to exceed that limit due to budget constraints

But why would they put those limits in anyways? They could easily make it 4gb. They took time and effort to make the operating system WORSE. Imagine someone buying a brand new car, (windows vista home edition), then hitting it with a bat to make it (windows vista starter edition). All I see is the desire for money for them to do this.

I think you got your shit backwards nesktard.
You keep saying"supports up to 256mb, when theats the minimum. WTF are you trying to say.

They keep explaining and you don't understand, so they explaine more and you call them liars, so it begs the question, "If someone asks a question, but doesn't want to hear the anser, why ask the question at all?"

 

[Action_Man]

You have just proven to me that 64bit supported cpu's cost more than if they were made not to support 32bit.

Well no sh!t. If they can't support existing and legacy software what good is it?

What are the advantages that 64bit offers over 32bit again?

I've already answered this question you moron.

 

[nesck]

I think you got your **** backwards nesktard.
You keep saying"supports up to 256mb, when theats the minimum. WTF are you trying to say.

They keep explaining and you don't understand, so they explaine more and you call them liars, so it begs the question, "If someone asks a question, but doesn't want to hear the anser, why ask the question at all?"

Look how clueless you are. Go back to the tomshardware articles and read more. I do want to hear an awnser to my questions and I'm waiting for an awnser. I did not call them liars. Whats the point of your post again? What are you trying to prove?

 

[nesck]

I've already answered this question you moron.

No you didn't.

 

[purplerat]

You have just proven to me that 64bit supported cpu's cost more than if they were made not to support 32bit.

Then how is it that for quite some time AMD was making 64bit chips that were far cheaper (and in many cases faster) then Intel 32 bit chips? And now that Intel is going to a full 64bit lineup with Core2Duo they have what appears to be the best price/performance ratio.

 

[nesck]

You have just proven to me that 64bit supported cpu's cost more than if they were made not to support 32bit.

Then how is it that for quite some time AMD was making 64bit chips that were far cheaper (and in many cases faster) then Intel 32 bit chips?

Wrong, the chips are actually 32bit chips with 64bit support.

 

[purplerat]

Wrong, the chips are actually 32bit chips with 64bit support.

THEN WHAT THE FRIG ARE YOU ARGUING ABOUT!!!

 

[corvetteguy]

You have just proven to me that 64bit supported cpu's cost more than if they were made not to support 32bit.

Then how is it that for quite some time AMD was making 64bit chips that were far cheaper (and in many cases faster) then Intel 32 bit chips?

Wrong, the chips are actually 32bit chips with 64bit support.

wrong... :roll:

 

[xsandman]

Yes, it is "added" because it has to be "added" to get from 32bits to 64bits. A true 64bit CPU wouldn't have it "added", it would be there in the first place. Imagine a pure 32bit CPU not having those "added" sections and a try 64 bit CPU not having those "purple" sections.

You have just proven to me that 64bit supported cpu's cost more than if they were made not to support 32bit. What are the advantages that 64bit offers over 32bit again? And the 32bit part was left in for 32bit support.

Yes, they do cost more to make because of the larger die size. This factor is decreased from constantly shrinking the process nodes. Do they cost more to buy? Probably not, because you would be charged based off of supply and demand. You will be charged X dollars for a CPU that performs a Y percentage of performance compared to other products in the market.

The biggest advantage of 64 bits.... more registers.... thats the biggest complaint from programmers, not enough registers.

And of course 32 bit support will be left in. It is MUCH easier to sell a product if it is backwards compatible, otherwise you will lose many customers and it is harder to get support on the new product.

 

[Action_Man]

Actually they run in long mode under 64bit and legacy mode under 32bit and backwards. So they are 64bit cpus.

But seriously just STFU and don't come back.

 

[purplerat]

So let me get your theory straight nesk; Intel and AMD are making 64bit chips that cost more and have 0 benifets over 32 all while slashing their prices. Either they or you must be really dumb.

 

[corvetteguy]

I think either he's really really cheap and wants technology to stand still for him, OR he's jealous because HE doesn't have a 64bit cpu. Maybe we should all pich in and buy him one so he will STFU!!!!!!!! :twisted: :roll: :twisted: :roll: :twisted: :roll:

 

[nesck]

So let me get your theory straight nesk; Intel and AMD are making 64bit chips that cost more and have 0 benifets over 32 all while slashing their prices. Either they or you must be really dumb.

nope, you are dumb for not realizing the marketting ploy.

The biggest advantage of 64 bits.... more registers.... thats the biggest complaint from programmers, not enough registers.

wrong, registers are not a problem for programmers. Most programmers program in c++, registers are a non-issue, and are not an issue for any programmer.

 

[corvetteguy]

So let me get your theory straight nesk; Intel and AMD are making 64bit chips that cost more and have 0 benifets over 32 all while slashing their prices. Either they or you must be really dumb.

nope, you are dumb for not realizing the marketting ploy.

The biggest advantage of 64 bits.... more registers.... thats the biggest complaint from programmers, not enough registers.

wrong, registers are not a problem for programmers. Most programmers program in c++, registers are a non-issue, and are not an issue for any programmer.

OFCOURES STUPID.... companies create hype to selll products, and 64-BIT sounds good, but thats not the only reason they develpoe it. Its for future use, so when vista comes out you don't need a new pc. They ease people into it. If you say this doesn't answer your question, you are truly retarded. :?

 

[nesck]

OFCOURES STUPID.... companies create hype to selll products, and 64-BIT sounds good, but thats not the only reason they develpoe it. Its for future use, so when vista comes out you don't need a new pc. They ease people into it. If you say this doesn't answer your question, you are truly retarded. :?

I am assuming its pure hype then since you still haven't given me an explaination of how 64bit is better than 32bit. The FUD has converted you, your now a zombie. You just keep thinking that there's a big difference between ATA, UATA, SATA, and SATA II. And hand companies more money since FUD makes you believe a product is beter.
I'm actually going to go away from my computer a bit, since I don't stay on it 18 hrs a day unlike you. For everyone else, be warned of the false statements, twisted opinions, and pure FUD for 64bit advantages!

 

[xsandman]

So let me get your theory straight nesk; Intel and AMD are making 64bit chips that cost more and have 0 benifets over 32 all while slashing their prices. Either they or you must be really dumb.

nope, you are dumb for not realizing the marketting ploy.

The biggest advantage of 64 bits.... more registers.... thats the biggest complaint from programmers, not enough registers.

wrong, registers are not a problem for programmers. Most programmers program in c++, registers are a non-issue, and are not an issue for any programmer.

You would be surprised. People that do more than C programming LOVE the thought of more registers.

 

[corvetteguy]

OFCOURES STUPID.... companies create hype to selll products, and 64-BIT sounds good, but thats not the only reason they develpoe it. Its for future use, so when vista comes out you don't need a new pc. They ease people into it. If you say this doesn't answer your question, you are truly retarded. :?

I am assuming its pure hype then since you still haven't given me an explaination of how 64bit is better than 32bit. The FUD has converted you, your now a zombie. Keep thinking that there's a big difference between ATA, UATA, SATA, and SATA II.

I'm actually going to go away from my computer a bit, since I don't stay on it 18 hrs a day unlike you. For everyone else, be warned of the false statements, twisted opinions, and pure FUD for 64bit advantages!

The main thing is, there are no disadvantages..... stupid tard. I'm going to bed too, because i'm tored, not because i've been proved an idiot like neskfuck.

 

[nesck]

The main thing is, there are no disadvantages..... stupid tard. I'm going to bed too, because i'm tored, not because i've been proved an idiot like neskfuck.

Yes there are disadvantages.

64bit cpus have added cost and 64bit code in assembly is more poorly coded / less optimized than 32bit in assembly.

64bit cpu's also cost more to make, and took money to research, make the cpu more complex for more optimizations.


I just figured out an advantage 64bit offers!!

the extra profit companies make from FUD, thats an advantage! Not exactly an advantages for you...

 

[Action_Man]

wrong, registers are not a problem for programmers. Most programmers program in c++, registers are a non-issue, and are not an issue for any programmer.

Seriously just STFU, you're just trolling now.