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Notan wrote:

> I've always loved it when Congress votes themselves a pay raise!
>
> Here we are, in a time where unemployment is up, we're spending
> billions/trillions of dollars on a war, we're worried about whether
> or not there'll be any retirement funds for those still working,
> etc., and the lawmakers, who already have absolutely no worries
> about their personal finances, decide the they deserve a (taxpayer
> funded) raise.

How much is your representative worth? Compared with corporate
executives' compensation, they're UNDERPAID. The problem is not with
their compensation but with their job performance.
 
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"Notan" <notan@ddress.com> wrote in message
news:4299D331.3F3C5E5B@ddress.com...
> Kevin Childers wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > I think your missing the point here. Management at the top will
always
> > find some one else to stick it to. There is always some body just
trying to
> > feed the family that ends up on the short end and some how gets blamed
for
> > being there. You can cry a river over it, but until the US government
takes
> > the initiative to read it's own employment reports on the level of
> > availability/unemployment in the tech sector not much will change. I
just
> > love it when the guys we elected get together with the upper levels of
the
> > business community to help them screw us. It isn't just the democrats
or
> > the republicans, this started with the Clinton administration (1st Term)
and
> > has been renewed by the Clinton administration (2nd Term) and again
renewed
> > by the Bush administration (1st Term). India didn't steal these jobs,
they
> > were given them.
>
> I've always loved it when Congress votes themselves a pay raise!
>
> Here we are, in a time where unemployment is up, we're spending
> billions/trillions of dollars on a war, we're worried about whether
> or not there'll be any retirement funds for those still working,
> etc., and the lawmakers, who already have absolutely no worries
> about their personal finances, decide the they deserve a (taxpayer
> funded) raise.
>
> Notan

I believe that all federal pay should be tied to the civilian work
forces pay scale. If a congressman can not live on the wages offered, they
can seek employment in the civil sector that will provide them with the
income they seek. The idea that by paying high wages to our elected
officials will deter their susceptibility to bribes, and other inducements
from those seeking favor from the government, simply does not work. Human
greed seems to me to be a lot like Carlins rule of stuff and Murphy's rules
of fiancé. That ever you want will consume all that you have so you have to
go out and get more.

KC
 
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Kevin Childers wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> I believe that all federal pay should be tied to the civilian work
> forces pay scale. If a congressman can not live on the wages offered, they
> can seek employment in the civil sector that will provide them with the
> income they seek. The idea that by paying high wages to our elected
> officials will deter their susceptibility to bribes, and other inducements
> from those seeking favor from the government, simply does not work. Human
> greed seems to me to be a lot like Carlins rule of stuff and Murphy's rules
> of fiancé. That ever you want will consume all that you have so you have to
> go out and get more.

I've always been fond of the "pay by performance" concept.

Notan
 
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"Kevin Childers" <wildthing123@charter.net> wrote in
news:FSkme.40258$rt1.28972@fe04.lga:
>
> I believe that all federal pay should be tied to the civilian work
> forces pay scale.
>
> KC
>
>

Then we'd end up with congressmen and federal department officials paying
themselves like Enron/Worldcom/Tyco executives...and giving us about the
same level of performance.


- FM -
 
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"Fred Mau" <fred-dot-mau@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns96655B0606DC4freddotmaucomcastnet@216.196.97.131...
> "Kevin Childers" <wildthing123@charter.net> wrote in
> news:FSkme.40258$rt1.28972@fe04.lga:
>>
>> I believe that all federal pay should be tied to the civilian work
>> forces pay scale.
>>
>> KC
>>
>>
>
> Then we'd end up with congressmen and federal department officials paying
> themselves like Enron/Worldcom/Tyco executives...and giving us about the
> same level of performance.
I think that is what we are getting from them now.

JD
 
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 08:35:29 -0600, Notan <notan@ddress.com> wrote:

>Kevin Childers wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> I think your missing the point here. Management at the top will always
>> find some one else to stick it to. There is always some body just trying to
>> feed the family that ends up on the short end and some how gets blamed for
>> being there. You can cry a river over it, but until the US government takes
>> the initiative to read it's own employment reports on the level of
>> availability/unemployment in the tech sector not much will change. I just
>> love it when the guys we elected get together with the upper levels of the
>> business community to help them screw us. It isn't just the democrats or
>> the republicans, this started with the Clinton administration (1st Term) and
>> has been renewed by the Clinton administration (2nd Term) and again renewed
>> by the Bush administration (1st Term). India didn't steal these jobs, they
>> were given them.
>
>I've always loved it when Congress votes themselves a pay raise!
>
>Here we are, in a time where unemployment is up, we're spending
>billions/trillions of dollars on a war, we're worried about whether
>or not there'll be any retirement funds for those still working,
>etc., and the lawmakers, who already have absolutely no worries
>about their personal finances, decide the they deserve a (taxpayer
>funded) raise.
>
>Notan


Hey, Congress is worrying about the important issues like the
Millionaire Baseball players that are taking steroids.
 
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>
> We live in a competitive global business environment which has an economic
> leveling effect. We no longer can live in a self contained society
> excluding the rest of the world. That's why China, India etc. are eating
> our lunch. It not just that it's cheaper over there, but that the quality
> is equal or better.

The service that India provides is not Better. China is a Communist
represive country.
Strike one

Remember Japan after WW2? First it was
> just cheaper, then their quality improved. The US middle class is getting
> squeezed resulting in our society becoming more like the rest of the
> world - a very few ultra rich and the vast majority living below the
> current US standard. The best we can do in a democratic society is to
> elect people who apply our resources to make us more competitive with the
> rest of the world -

People are elected because of money generated for campaigns and pushing so
called morale issues for certain lobbyist. Corporations give large amounts
of money towards pol. who will push their agenda, outsourcing.

improve our public education and clamp down on
> corporate/governmental corruption.
>
> If Dell ignored its competitive environment and it would fail and some
> other company - maybe based outside of US would take over.
 
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 08:39:07 -0700, Lenny Bruce <spam@devnul.com>
wrote:

>Kevin Childers wrote:
>>>
>> I think your missing the point here. Management at the top will always
>> find some one else to stick it to. There is always some body just trying to
>> feed the family that ends up on the short end and some how gets blamed for
>> being there. You can cry a river over it, but until the US government takes
>> the initiative to read it's own employment reports on the level of
>> availability/unemployment in the tech sector not much will change. I just
>> love it when the guys we elected get together with the upper levels of the
>> business community to help them screw us. It isn't just the democrats or
>> the republicans, this started with the Clinton administration (1st Term) and
>> has been renewed by the Clinton administration (2nd Term) and again renewed
>> by the Bush administration (1st Term). India didn't steal these jobs, they
>> were given them.
>
>We live in a competitive global business environment which has an
>economic leveling effect. We no longer can live in a self contained
>society excluding the rest of the world. That's why China, India etc.
>are eating our lunch. It not just that it's cheaper over there, but that
>the quality is equal or better. Remember Japan after WW2? First it was
>just cheaper, then their quality improved. The US middle class is
>getting squeezed resulting in our society becoming more like the rest of
>the world - a very few ultra rich and the vast majority living below the
>current US standard. The best we can do in a democratic society is to
>elect people who apply our resources to make us more competitive with
>the rest of the world - improve our public education and clamp down on
>corporate/governmental corruption.
>
>If Dell ignored its competitive environment and it would fail and some
>other company - maybe based outside of US would take over.

I guess that means that we are going to have to learn to live on $5 a
day, which is what many Chinese are paid. Let's see, how long would
it take to save up for a PC, at that rate of pay?

Bob
 
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"Kevin Childers" <wildthing123@charter.net> wrote in message
news:FSkme.40258$rt1.28972@fe04.lga...
> "Notan" <notan@ddress.com> wrote in message
> news:4299D331.3F3C5E5B@ddress.com...
> > Kevin Childers wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > I think your missing the point here. Management at the top will
> always
> > > find some one else to stick it to. There is always some body just
> trying to
> > > feed the family that ends up on the short end and some how gets blamed
> for
> > > being there. You can cry a river over it, but until the US government
> takes
> > > the initiative to read it's own employment reports on the level of
> > > availability/unemployment in the tech sector not much will change. I
> just
> > > love it when the guys we elected get together with the upper levels of
> the
> > > business community to help them screw us. It isn't just the democrats
> or
> > > the republicans, this started with the Clinton administration (1st
Term)
> and
> > > has been renewed by the Clinton administration (2nd Term) and again
> renewed
> > > by the Bush administration (1st Term). India didn't steal these jobs,
> they
> > > were given them.
> >
> > I've always loved it when Congress votes themselves a pay raise!
> >
> > Here we are, in a time where unemployment is up, we're spending
> > billions/trillions of dollars on a war, we're worried about whether
> > or not there'll be any retirement funds for those still working,
> > etc., and the lawmakers, who already have absolutely no worries
> > about their personal finances, decide the they deserve a (taxpayer
> > funded) raise.
> >
> > Notan
>
> I believe that all federal pay should be tied to the civilian work
> forces pay scale. If a congressman can not live on the wages offered,
they
> can seek employment in the civil sector that will provide them with the
> income they seek. The idea that by paying high wages to our elected
> officials will deter their susceptibility to bribes, and other inducements
> from those seeking favor from the government, simply does not work. Human
> greed seems to me to be a lot like Carlins rule of stuff and Murphy's
rules
> of fiancé. That ever you want will consume all that you have so you have
to
> go out and get more.
>
> KC

Do you have ANY idea who your "law makers" and "representatives" are? Damn
near ALL of them are multimillionaire LAWYERS that have learned how to use
the law to screw people and get away with it. They are no more and no less
than professional thieves IMO. They know NOTHING of the world the average
person lives in and quite frankly CARE NOTHING about that world. They have
theirs, and they and the people they get their money from don't care how
many people get put out of a job, a home, etc. as long as they get
re-elected to continue their power lust and rape of the lower level workers,
and their families, and childrens' future.

Term limits MUST be enacted to return Congress to true representation of
"the people". The two party system MUST be changed to allow new, and
"unowned people" to run for office to do the right thing, instead of doing
what lines their pockets or gets them re-elected for the 6th time.

I ask one thing, "Could things be any worse with new people and without
professional politicians?"
 
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Capt Bob wrote:

<snip>

> I guess that means that we are going to have to learn to live on $5 a
> day, which is what many Chinese are paid. Let's see, how long would
> it take to save up for a PC, at that rate of pay?

True, but look on the bright side - by the time wages in the US get to
that level all the manufacturing jobs will cycle back to the US because
it'll have the cheapest labor on Earth.
 
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Dan Sgambelluri wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> I thought it was when there is a Starbucks across the street from
> another Starbucks

I read something, the other day, about a new Stabucks opening
up in the bathroom of a Starbucks! <g>

Notan
 
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:27:42 -0600, Notan <notan@ddress.com> wrote:

>Dan Sgambelluri wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> I thought it was when there is a Starbucks across the street from
>> another Starbucks
>
>I read something, the other day, about a new Stabucks opening
>up in the bathroom of a Starbucks! <g>
>
>Notan


I read that all the new Starbucks will be called " Ten Bucks"


Bob
 
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> Do you have ANY idea who your "law makers" and "representatives" are?
> Damn
> near ALL of them are multimillionaire LAWYERS that have learned how to use
> the law to screw people and get away with it. They are no more and no
> less
> than professional thieves IMO. They know NOTHING of the world the average
> person lives in and quite frankly CARE NOTHING about that world. They
> have
> theirs, and they and the people they get their money from don't care how
> many people get put out of a job, a home, etc. as long as they get
> re-elected to continue their power lust and rape of the lower level
> workers,
> and their families, and childrens' future.
>
> Term limits MUST be enacted to return Congress to true representation of
> "the people". The two party system MUST be changed to allow new, and
> "unowned people" to run for office to do the right thing, instead of doing
> what lines their pockets or gets them re-elected for the 6th time.
>
> I ask one thing, "Could things be any worse with new people and without
> professional politicians?"
>
>

Unless their is campaign finance reform congressmen will always be part of
corruption.
 
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>>>We'll know the end is near when the Bullseye Barbeque hotline ends in
>>>Bangalore... 😎
>>>
>>
>>
>> You will know the end is near when your boss tells you that you and
>> your family have to move to a one room shack in India, or you are
>> fired...
>>
>>
>> Bob
> maybe your boss but not my boss

It already happens were my wife works but it's not India, it's China. They
ask everyone that question during there re-evaluation/restructuring phase.
If you absolutely say no then you are off the fast track for promotions or
downsized eventually.

The correct answer is I would have to way the circumstances at the time it
was offered but they still don't like that answer.

JD
 
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jd wrote:
>>>>We'll know the end is near when the Bullseye Barbeque hotline ends in
>>>>Bangalore... 😎
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>You will know the end is near when your boss tells you that you and
>>>your family have to move to a one room shack in India, or you are
>>>fired...
>>>
>>>
>>>Bob
>>
>>maybe your boss but not my boss
>
>
> It already happens were my wife works but it's not India, it's China. They
> ask everyone that question during there re-evaluation/restructuring phase.
> If you absolutely say no then you are off the fast track for promotions or
> downsized eventually.
>
> The correct answer is I would have to way the circumstances at the time it
> was offered but they still don't like that answer.
>
> JD
>
>

If they don't like the answer, than it is not the correct answer. I
think the correct answer is yes.
 
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