ok thank you for the info, as of right now i'm winning the evga ftw3 on ebay but i kinda wish i wasnt because i did buy an msi edge ddr5 motherboard and i think the msi card would of went great with it but i cant cancel my bid right now. i;m building my own new pc build right now and i was gonna go with the i9 12900 but decides to go with the i7 12700 it doesnt run as hot as the i9 but i appreciate your info it was great