which liquid cooling is best to use for AMD FX-9590 processor?

[a b]

Hello, sorry if I may not be clear as I have poor technical knowledge.

I have "Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0" motherboard with the AMD "Phenom 2" processor installed. I am running windows 7 OS.

I want to upgrade ONLY the processor to "AMD FX-9590" of the "AMD FX 8-Core Black Edition" line. So I will be using liquid cooling for the same in place of the normal heat sink.
After preliminary research I found that I may have to update the BIOS as asus has offered an updated BIOS for AMD FX processor line (with a reason of system stability). I also want to format my HDD to install windows 7 again with all updated drivers as the BIOS itself will be different. Here are my questions...

Shall I update the BIOS first [ after I install the new processor ] and then Format HDD with clean Windows 7 OR shall I do a Basic install of windows 7 without the drivers and then install the new processor and update the BIOS?

To my best knowledge my cabinet can support a liquid cooling with one fan or radiator (I hope you can get me). I do not plan to buy a new cabinet at least not now. As I said that I am a simple user I am not going to overclock it, Can you tell me which is the best liquid cooling for this processor in 1 fan series and will it be enough? A couple of options will be good.

PC currently runs stable on 750 watts SMPS. I would be upgrading to 1000 watts SMPS. What do you say??

Thank You

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Don't upgrade to any 9000 SERIES , too unstable , they never run without issues.

 

[Zerk2012]

Buy a FX 8350 and stay far away from that 220 Watt processor.
It's the same thing without the massive power draw you can overclock it to the 4.6 area on a lot less power.
To answer your question at the least a H100.

 

[Finstar]

I think you should rather be looking at Ryzen over upgrading into a FX.
The FX series is outdated and gets easily outperformed by the Ryzen quadcores with SMT.

 

[Darkbreeze]

As you've been informed here already, the 9000 series chips are a waste of time, money and effort, and the average result is a system that overheats the VRMs regardless of what motherboard your choose and ends up burning out motherboards or just never actually being stable.

That's a great board you have, for what it is, and with that board you would be best served going with an FX-8320, 8350 or 8370, and either using it as is or overclocking it to about 4.5Ghz. Any of those will do that with a capable enough cooler, unless you get a really bad sample or a damaged CPU.

You don't need liquid cooling either, and in fact, whether you go with a 9000 series CPU against the advice offered here, or an 8000 series model, you will almost certainly have more success using a really good air cooler than a liquid cooler because the liquid coolers eliminate all of the residual airflow over and around the area of the motherboard VRMs, which is essential on these systems due to the design and the fact that these require/use such high voltage to achieve stable clock speeds once you get past about 4.3Ghz.

I ran an FX-8320@4.5Ghz for several years before upgrading to Skylake, and used a Noctua NH-U14S air cooler with terrific success the entire time. A Cryorig H5 or something equivalent to one of those would work just as well. The last thing you want to do though is waste your money, and it WILL be a waste, on a 9370 or 9590, no matter what you might have heard from some numbskull on another forum.

 

[n0ns3ns3]

there is a flaw in your plan:
single fan radiator is mostly 120mm size - won't be enough to handle the 220w TDP of FX 9590.
The air coolers capable to handle that, are costly - over 70$.
so it would be better to sell the whatever you have now, add a bit and get something newer like ryzen or coffee lake. even the cheapest i3-8100 will perform better in most of the tasks.

 

[8350rocks]

Don't upgrade to any 9000 SERIES , too unstable , they never run without issues.

Mine has been rock solid for 5 years on a Gigabyte UD3 990FX board.

As for OP, look at an all in one liquid cooling solution that fits your case. I would recommend a Seidon 120 unless you have the capacity for 140mm fans, at which point go with a 140mm radiator.

Ensure you have sufficient clearance for the radiator and the push/pull fan config.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Um hmm. That's one out of thousands. And, there are absolutely ZERO 120mm or 140mm AIO coolers that are designed for or capable of handling the TDP of a 9000 series CPU. There just, are not.

Even 240/280mm coolers, which MIGHT be able to, can't change the fact that without a top shelf board, most of which are not available anymore unless you want a used one that has already been ridden to death most likely, or a new one that they want twice what they cost when new, there is no way to have any realistic expectation that the power delivery and VRM configuration will be capable enough to avoid severe throttling, and even with a top shelf board, most still have that problem.

We've seen HUNDREDS of these configurations where users had six high end case fans, monstrous air or open loop coolers, any of maybe three boards that can even remotely begin to actually handle those CPUs, and they still have to undervolt and downclock just to have something similar to a stable system. No way you can convince me otherwise. We even had a moderator here who felt as you do that it can be done. Recently, after investing significant money into the system, he had to agree that we were right and that it is about as doable as a catch and release program for dragons. Likely to incur about the same amount of heat too.

 

[n0ns3ns3]

^^ if room temperature is 0C or below, the VRM might be able to handle his CPU doing nothing (idle) XD

On a serious note, he might have never done anything that will cause the CPU to get to the over 200w draw.

 

[8350rocks]

Um hmm. That's one out of thousands. And, there are absolutely ZERO 120mm or 140mm AIO coolers that are designed for or capable of handling the TDP of a 9000 series CPU. There just, are not.

I use the 120mm Seidon cooler on mine in my current config, it is the stock cooler that came with it. I have had zero problems, and I am using a Gigabyte UD3 990FX board. I truthfully think anything shy of 8+2 VRMs on the old boards is not enough, but I have had no issues to date.

Even 240/280mm coolers, which MIGHT be able to, can't change the fact that without a top shelf board, most of which are not available anymore unless you want a used one that has already been ridden to death most likely, or a new one that they want twice what they cost when new, there is no way to have any realistic expectation that the power delivery and VRM configuration will be capable enough to avoid severe throttling, and even with a top shelf board, most still have that problem.

I have disabled all C and P states in BIOS, and run the system without idling down at all, and it is still fine. I turn the PC off at night, and leave it off until I get on it to avoid idling at full clock all day while I work...so, I am sure that has added longevity to my components, but how much more than someone running full stock config is debatable.

We've seen HUNDREDS of these configurations where users had six high end case fans, monstrous air or open loop coolers, any of maybe three boards that can even remotely begin to actually handle those CPUs, and they still have to undervolt and downclock just to have something similar to a stable system. No way you can convince me otherwise. We even had a moderator here who felt as you do that it can be done. Recently, after investing significant money into the system, he had to agree that we were right and that it is about as doable as a catch and release program for dragons. Likely to incur about the same amount of heat too.

I have the CPU-Z link in my sig if you doubt me, and I am still using the PC now while waiting on my Vega 64 card to arrive. If you want the components list:

Gigabyte 990FX UD3
AMD FX 9590
AMD DDR3-2166 RAM (2x8 GB)
Power Color Radeon R9 290X
EVGA 1000W G2 PSU
Thermaltake AMD v3 case
Cooler Master Seidon 120 AIO cooler
LG DVD drive
4x Jetflo 120mm case fans
120 GB OCZ Vertex 460 SSD
1 TB Seagate 7200 RPM HDD

If I had to do it all over, I would have gone a different direction on the case, honestly, because the mounting for the Seidon 120mm AIO was horrific in that specific model, and the time spent to get it in a place that I was somewhat happy with was longer than it took to assemble the entire build.

Otherwise, it keeps on trucking...no issues.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Like I said, one out of thousands. You may have received an exemplary sample. A true mega-millions winner in the silicon lottery. For most everybody else, even in test environments, this is not even remotely the case.

Even those that do initially work half decent, tend to break down the voltage regulation components way sooner than could ever be expected.

I have an R2.0 Sabertooth board and I can assure you that while it is a great quality board, it's near certain death to try running it with a 9 series SKU. Maybe with the 9370, sure as heck not with the Heat Miser.

And I find it INCREDIBLY hard to believe that you could ever run that CPU under any demanding loads when reviews of it show it to only have a 4 degree difference in over ambient temperatures than the Gammaxx 400, at least specifically for the 120v, not sure if you have that or the 120m, which is not particularly great when you're trying to cool one of the highest TDP CPUs of, well, ever.

 

[MeanMachine41]

So much maligned and over exaggerated commentary on the FX-9590 I have to say. Mostly cut and paste from others without question or true fact.

I have built a number of MB and FX combos and sure the FX-9590 is a beast but capable and can be tamed.
One of my 9590 systems uses a CVFZ MB and Overclocked to 5.2GHz with a H110 AIO and running stable now for almost 5 years without issue. With a decent quality PSU of adequate Wattage I can also play all my AAA games maxed out and with 8 cores my vid editing and rendering is very fast. My only issue is ambient temps reach 40C cause of my climate so, I have 2 Bios profiles for summer and winter.

I have also helped many others stabilize their similar systems so it's not as bad as so called pundits want to make out.
I would not for one minute suggest a new build of this nature as Ryzen 7 is a much better choice however at today's prices and the correct cooling and case fan support it would make sense for the OP.

 

[DSzymborski]

So much maligned and over exaggerated commentary on the FX-9590 I have to say. Mostly cut and paste from others without question or true fact.

I have built a number of MB and FX combos and sure the FX-9590 is a beast but capable and can be tamed.
One of my 9590 systems uses a CVFZ MB and Overclocked to 5.2GHz with a H110 AIO and running stable now for almost 5 years without issue. With a decent quality PSU of adequate Wattage I can also play all my AAA games maxed out and with 8 cores my vid editing and rendering is very fast. My only issue is ambient temps reach 40C cause of my climate so, I have 2 Bios profiles for summer and winter.

I have also helped many others stabilize their similar systems so it's not as bad as so called pundits want to make out.
I would not for one minute suggest a new build of this nature as Ryzen 7 is a much better choice however at today's prices and the correct cooling and case fan support it would make sense for the OP.

Yeah, but you're expert at this (I frequently try to summon you in some of these threads when someone has an issue with their 9590). We're talking about someone who describes themself as having "poor technical knowledge," and that's not a person I'd steer towards managing that CPU.

 

[MeanMachine41]

So much maligned and over exaggerated commentary on the FX-9590 I have to say. Mostly cut and paste from others without question or true fact.

I have built a number of MB and FX combos and sure the FX-9590 is a beast but capable and can be tamed.
One of my 9590 systems uses a CVFZ MB and Overclocked to 5.2GHz with a H110 AIO and running stable now for almost 5 years without issue. With a decent quality PSU of adequate Wattage I can also play all my AAA games maxed out and with 8 cores my vid editing and rendering is very fast. My only issue is ambient temps reach 40C cause of my climate so, I have 2 Bios profiles for summer and winter.

I have also helped many others stabilize their similar systems so it's not as bad as so called pundits want to make out.
I would not for one minute suggest a new build of this nature as Ryzen 7 is a much better choice however at today's prices and the correct cooling and case fan support it would make sense for the OP.

Yeah, but you're expert at this (I frequently try to summon you in some of these threads when someone has an issue with their 9590). We're talking about someone who describes themself as having "poor technical knowledge," and that's not a person I'd steer towards managing that CPU.

Sorry DSzymborski but I have to disagree. I have seen many first timers build high end systems and yes they do come here for help and in most cases they get it. I have also seen many with little technical knowledge in Overclocking but after some guidance and a little Bios tweaking they have succeeded.
Same is for all high end systems, even the latest 8th gen Intel. If you wish to Overclock then careful consideration to adequate cooling and a decent PSU and MB is the answer.
I have by the way moved on and built a Ryzen 1800X and can compare the performance difference.
If you want to read my comparison and impressions thread at ROG here is the link: https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?92489-New-Ryzen-7-1800X-build-impressions

@ a b regarding original post,
The best AIO is a H115 if you can afford and will fit your case. If not sure then list your case and I can tell you what will fit. A single fan AIO is not the answer.

Also you should update your Bios prior to a new CPU.

 

[Darkbreeze]

A single fan AIO is not the answer.

Also you should update your Bios prior to a new CPU.

Well, there's two things we agree on anyhow.

 

[MeanMachine41]

A single fan AIO is not the answer.

Also you should update your Bios prior to a new CPU.

Well, there's two things we agree on anyhow.

OMG, Thanks for small mercies lol

 

[Darkbreeze]

LOL.

 

[8350rocks]

Like I said, one out of thousands. You may have received an exemplary sample. A true mega-millions winner in the silicon lottery. For most everybody else, even in test environments, this is not even remotely the case.

Even those that do initially work half decent, tend to break down the voltage regulation components way sooner than could ever be expected.

I have an R2.0 Sabertooth board and I can assure you that while it is a great quality board, it's near certain death to try running it with a 9 series SKU. Maybe with the 9370, sure as heck not with the Heat Miser.

And I find it INCREDIBLY hard to believe that you could ever run that CPU under any demanding loads when reviews of it show it to only have a 4 degree difference in over ambient temperatures than the Gammaxx 400, at least specifically for the 120v, not sure if you have that or the 120m, which is not particularly great when you're trying to cool one of the highest TDP CPUs of, well, ever.

I use blender regularly, compile code with GCC on occasion, and play games a lot.

EDIT: I would add, the stock Seidon 120mm is a push/pull config AIO...*not* a single fan AIO.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I have never seen ANY review, or other indication, of a 120 or 140mm heatsink OR radiator, that showed more than a 2-4 degree difference from adding a second "pull" fan to the configuration. For me, that's just not probably worth it. If your system is that close to the edge that 4 degrees makes the difference, you need a different cooler anyhow.

And I really doubt that 4 degrees makes a difference either when using a big TDP high leakage POS like the 9 series chips. If that 4 degrees is a matter of life or death for your CPU, again, you have the wrong cooler.

It's a miracle though that out of the hundreds or even thousands of users who could never get their 9 series configurations to be even mildly acceptable without undervolting and downclocking them, or using expensive monoblock type custom loops, we ended up with the only two people in the world who didn't have that problem.

 

[MeanMachine41]

It's a miracle though that out of the hundreds or even thousands of users who could never get their 9 series configurations to be even mildly acceptable without undervolting and downclocking them, or using expensive monoblock type custom loops, we ended up with the only two people in the world who didn't have that problem.

Just where do you get such miraculous fact from. Those who have success just move on and enjoy their systems. Only them discontented loud voices express mainly their Opinions cause they did not build the system with the necessary requirements and most of those were Intel fan boys with vested interest anyhow. Are you able to speak with Authority and have found these issues yourself or what.?

As you may cite many complaints, I too could match the successes however why bother. You obviously have a strong opinion but let it rest M8 Gees!!!
We all know the platform is dead and have moved on but some just don't want to let this rest, so go ahead search for all supportive graphs and whatever to back your argument. I got better things to do.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Yeah, me too. So have fun. Peace.

 

[a b]

Buy a FX 8350 and stay far away from that 220 Watt processor.
It's the same thing without the massive power draw you can overclock it to the 4.6 area on a lot less power.
To answer your question at the least a H100.

Thank you, But as I said earlier that I am not Tech savvy so I don't know how to overclock. Also I don't want to do that as I don't won't to void the warranty.

 

[Darkbreeze]

In that case, then honestly your best bet would be to just get an FX-8350 or 8320, and run them at the stock speed. Running a 9 series CPU is going to require having some advanced knowledge and at the least, some extra investmentments in high end cooling. That is without even factoring in any headaches or complications that might be involved in doing that chip.

For a "not tech savvy" user, this chip should definitely be avoided. I won't argue the point further that it should be avoided by everybody so as not to start that conversation again, but for you, on this board, I'd recommend an FX-8320, 8350 or 8370, based on what price you can get one for. These are far more manageable than the 9370 or 9590.

 

[a b]

I think you should rather be looking at Ryzen over upgrading into a FX.
The FX series is outdated and gets easily outperformed by the Ryzen quadcores with SMT.

yes I would want to. But Currently My motherboard works Just fine. Its only the cpu giving problem. Also Ryzen has come just now and the prices are very high; so I do not want that as also I would have to upgrade my motherboard which means additional cost.

 

[a b]

A single fan AIO is not the answer.

Also you should update your Bios prior to a new CPU.

Well, there's two things we agree on anyhow.

OK So I understand that with the old phenom 2 installed, first upgrade the motherboard bios, then remove the old cpu and install new fx cpu then do a clean format with windows 7. Am I correct??