Which PC to get Falcon NW PC or Maingear PC?

[clintnerd]

I have decided to build either a Falcon NW Talon, or the Maingear Rush X99 Super stock. I am not interested in building my own, or having someone build it at this point. I have narrowed down my two companies to Falcon NW and Maingear.

Both have great reviews, and made in America with great warranties.

I can not decide which company to go with, do any of you have suggestions as to why you would choose a company over the other?

 

[clintnerd]

The same exact computer from Falcon is nearly 2,000 cheaper. Without the different Processor and liquid cooling.

 

[clintnerd]

Chassis Mach V
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Exotix Paintwork Single Color
Estimated Availability: 2 Days
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA P2 - 1200 Watt
Motherboard Asus® X99 Deluxe II
Processor Intel® Core™ i7-6900K 8 Cores, 16 Threads, 3.7GHz
Processor Cooler Asetek® Liquid Cooling 570LC
Memory 32GB - 4x8GB - 2400MHZ
Video Card NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1080 Ti 11GB - Founders Edition
Video Card NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1080 Ti 11GB - Founders Edition
Sound Card On-Board Audio
Networking On-Board Ethernet
Operating System Drive - SSD Samsung® 960 Pro - 1TB SSD - M.2 - PCI Express
Data Drive - SSD or HDD Western Digital Red - 4TB HDD - SATA
Optical Drive DVD Writer
64-Bit Operating System Windows 10 Home
Rescue Drive Rescue Drive USB

 

[J_E_D_70]

Far as I know both are excellent, just grossly overpriced. I'd just go with cheaper of the two.

What are you using it for exactly? If you need all those threads you're much better off with a new AMD Ryzen build for half the price and same performance. If strictly gaming, going above a 7700k/Z270 doesn't deliver any ROI.

 

[Carnaxus]

The Maingear computers are beautiful to look at in and of themselves, buuuut...as with all things, you pay more for that beauty. If you think that beauty is worth it, go for the Maingear. If all you want is a blazingly powerful computer and can live without the shiny Ferrari paint (seriously, Maingear uses the same automotive paint on their cases as Ferrari uses on their cars), go with the Falcon.

To be perfectly honest, the cheapest option would of course be to build it yourself, but I saw that you just want a computer. I will say this though: Unless you plan to install games to your SSD, you won't need a full 1TB just for a boot drive. I went with a 512GB SSD and a 6TB HDD, and to be honest even 512GB is overkill.

 

[clintnerd]

Here are the two I'm looking at... I can't tell if FNW or Maingear have better reps/customer service. Overall consensus of whoms better.

Maingear:
MAINGEAR RUSH X99 (system-EPIC-RUSH-x99)
Special Promotions:
[ FREE GROUND SHIPPING ON ALL ORDERS OVER $1999 ]
Special Promotions:
[INSTANT SAVINGS!] Save $150on any PC over $2,000, save $300 on any PC over $4000, and save $450 on any PC over $6000. Discount applied during checkout< /td>
Chassis:
MAINGEAR RUSH Chassis with Tempered Glass Sides
Exterior Finish:
[Automotive Paint] Custom Color Matte or Glossy
Motherboard:
ASUS RAMPAGE V EDITION 10 with Integrated Wireless AC
Processor:
Intel® CoreT i7 6900K 8-core 3.2GHz/3.7GHz Turbo 20MB L3 Cache w/ HyperThreading
Processor Cooling:
[Open Loop Liquid Cooling] MAINGEAR EPIC 640 Custom Handcrafted Liquid Cooling
Coolant:
[Custom COLOR/UV/Pastel] EKoolant extra pure, distilled, and deionized wa ter
MAINGEAR Redline Overclocking Service:
Intel® Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking
Memory:
32GB HyperX® FURYT DDR4- 2666 (4x8GB) [QUAD Channel]
Graphics Card:
Dual NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB GDDR5x [SLI] with G-SYNC
GPU Liquid Cooling:
Dual Card EK Supremacy - Nickel
Power Supply:
1200 Watt Corsair® Professional Digital Series AX1200i 80+ Platinum Certified Modular Power Supply ROHS
Power Supply Sleeving:
Power Supply Sleeving - BLACK
Operating System Drive:
[M.2 NVME SSD] 1TB Samsung® 960 Pro [3,500MB/s Sequential Reads]
Hard Drive Bay Two:
[HDD] 4TB Seagate Desktop HDD 5200rpm 64MB Cache
Optical Drive One:
8X Asus® DVD Burner External USB 2.0
Audio:
On Board High Definition 8-Channel Audio
Ethernet Adapter:
On-board Gigabit Ethernet
Operating System:
Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit
Security Software:
Fr ee 1 Year Subscription! McAfee AntiVirus Plus
Display:
28" Asus® PB287Q 4k 3840 x 2160 60Hz
Keyboard:
Razer® Blackwidow X Chroma Mechanical Gaming Keyboard
Mouse:
Razer® Mamba Tournament Edition Chroma
The Final Finesse:
Designed, Manufactured, and Supported in the USA - Flawless Craftsmanship and Wire Management
Angelic Service Warranty:
Lifetime Angelic Service Labor and Phone Support with 3 Year Comprehensive Warranty FREE UPGRADE
MAINGEAR Premium "Out of Box" Experience:
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Falcon NW:
Configuration:
Mach V with X99 chipset
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Chassis Mach V
Chassis Logo Insert White Light
Exotix Paintwork Single Color
Estimated Availability: 2 Days
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA P2 - 1200 Watt
Motherboard Asus® X99 Deluxe II
Processor Intel® Core™ i7-6900K 8 Cores, 16 Threads, 3.7GHz
Processor Cooler Asetek® Liquid Cooling 570LC
Memory 32GB - 4x8GB - 2400MHZ
Video Card NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1080 Ti 11GB - Founders Edition
Video Card NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1080 Ti 11GB - Founders Edition
Sound Card On-Board Audio
Networking On-Board Ethernet
Operating System Drive - SSD Samsung® 960 Pro - 1TB SSD - M.2 - PCI Express
Data Drive - SSD or HDD Western Digital Red - 4TB HDD - SATA
Optical Drive DVD Writer
64-Bit Operating System Windows 10 Home
Rescue Drive Rescue Drive USB
Warranty 3 Years Parts and Labor
Keyboard Corsair® Strafe RGB Cherry® MX SIlent Mechanical
Mouse Logitech® G402 Hyperion
Monitor Asus® PB278Q 27" 2560x1440 Monitor
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[clintnerd]

Looking to be my gaming and my coding computer

 

[clintnerd]

Anyone?

 

[Karadjgne]

They are different. One has a 4k monitor, the other a 1440p. One has full custom loop with custom OC applied, the other has a regular aio with no OC. So paint job aside, what exactly does that mean for your requirements in coding. Where does that fit with your gaming needs, since the 4k monitor will look great, but it'll loose out to the 1440p/144Hz when it comes to fast first person games, race games etc.

They are both over the top designs, both work great, but what fits you better?

 

[clintnerd]

They are different. One has a 4k monitor, the other a 1440p. One has full custom loop with custom OC applied, the other has a regular aio with no OC. So paint job aside, what exactly does that mean for your requirements in coding. Where does that fit with your gaming needs, since the 4k monitor will look great, but it'll loose out to the 1440p/144Hz when it comes to fast first person games, race games etc.

They are both over the top designs, both work great, but what fits you better?

I just want the better company for the best gaming experience,

 

[J_E_D_70]

The company will have no bearing on your gaming experience. They're both excellent.

Karadjgne nailed the right questions to answer. You need to evaluate what games you play most and check the benches for 4k/60 and 1440p/144.

Not sure what coding you plan on that would take this kinda horsepower. I coded just fine for months on a basic workstation.

 

[Karadjgne]

Here's the way I see it, and excuses for the dumbed down delivery. You've got the choice, a Chevy race car and a Ford cruiser. Which is the better company is unimportant, they are for all intents and purposes the same thing. What you need to decide on is if your needs lie in the race car, or the cruiser. Both will get great performance in their individual areas, both have quirks and shortcomings. On one build you've got a full custom loop dropped on top of a respectable OC. This'll take some work, regular maintenance of the loop, periodic clean outs etc. The aio is foolproof, but won't take the same amount of OC limits. Same gpus, same cpu, so horsepower isn't an issue, but now you come to how it's applied, the monitors. You a fast paced gamer, looking for minimal lag, fast detail refresh, a killing machine? Or are you the builder, Civilization or Empires, strategic gamer, dungeon crawler, skyrim lord? Cuz those look great on 4k,not really getting use from the 144Hz refresh rate.
And then there's the paint job. Aesthetics. After all, you have to look at it on a daily basis.

Ones a red race car, needs periodic tuneup, the others a white cruiser that just needs a bath once in a blue moon. Question is not who is better, but which is better for you.

 

[clintnerd]

Whatever monitor will be the best overall monitor.

 

[clintnerd]

Here's the way I see it, and excuses for the dumbed down delivery. You've got the choice, a Chevy race car and a Ford cruiser. Which is the better company is unimportant, they are for all intents and purposes the same thing. What you need to decide on is if your needs lie in the race car, or the cruiser. Both will get great performance in their individual areas, both have quirks and shortcomings. On one build you've got a full custom loop dropped on top of a respectable OC. This'll take some work, regular maintenance of the loop, periodic clean outs etc. The aio is foolproof, but won't take the same amount of OC limits. Same gpus, same cpu, so horsepower isn't an issue, but now you come to how it's applied, the monitors. You a fast paced gamer, looking for minimal lag, fast detail refresh, a killing machine? Or are you the builder, Civilization or Empires, strategic gamer, dungeon crawler, skyrim lord? Cuz those look great on 4k,not really getting use from the 144Hz refresh rate.
And then there's the paint job. Aesthetics. After all, you have to look at it on a daily basis.

Ones a red race car, needs periodic tuneup, the others a white cruiser that just needs a bath once in a blue moon. Question is not who is better, but which is better for you.

Great way of putting it. I am more face paced, RPG, (Fallout 4, COD, BF, Skyrim, GTAV), Sims would be the ONLY strategy game so to say. So I guess then the regular monitor?

As far as the race car analogy. I want the best overall. I look at it having an GTR with the horsepower, ready to win any race, but docile enough to drive on the streets and be reliable. Versus modding up a honda civic and dropping a motor in it, to do the same thing what the GTR could do by itself.

 

[Karadjgne]

Since your interests lie more towards RPG, the MainGear will give the best experience, there's no comparison between 1440p and 4k other than when you were used to watching VHS tapes and finally got your first DVD player. With that build there won't be a game you couldn't max out with mods and still show 60fps minimums, even with full enb, hairworks etc. Granted, it'll still handle the occasional fps game like CS:GO or GTA:V just fine, it is after all an ungodly powerhouse.
Just be prepared, do some research on full custom loop cooling, find out the do's and don't's, get a list of recommendations for fluids, change schedules, cleaning tips etc, even go so far as contacting EK support to find out their thoughts and opinions since it's their stuff being used (EK is an excellent company for pc cooling).

Just one last thing. There's a member gallery here for pics of members pc's, I wanna see some soon 😀

 

[clintnerd]

Since your interests lie more towards RPG, the MainGear will give the best experience, there's no comparison between 1440p and 4k other than when you were used to watching VHS tapes and finally got your first DVD player. With that build there won't be a game you couldn't max out with mods and still show 60fps minimums, even with full enb, hairworks etc. Granted, it'll still handle the occasional fps game like CS:GO or GTA:V just fine, it is after all an ungodly powerhouse.
Just be prepared, do some research on full custom loop cooling, find out the do's and don't's, get a list of recommendations for fluids, change schedules, cleaning tips etc, even go so far as contacting EK support to find out their thoughts and opinions since it's their stuff being used (EK is an excellent company for pc cooling).

Just one last thing. There's a member gallery here for pics of members pc's, I wanna see some soon 😀

Lol, this will be a build that I can afford come august (I'm hoping if not latest by January)

So with this being said will the Falcon be MORE reliable without the liquid cooling?

My main game play style is FPS/RPG+FPS

 

[clintnerd]

However, let me know!

 

[Karadjgne]

Depends. Aios don't last forever, they do eventually get tired and dry up, or on the other hand, full custom loops do require topping off (frequency depends on how much is evaporated due to isage) and if you forget to maintain the loop, it fails.

Both pc's use top quality parts, both are built by top quality companies, so you really are at the mercy of the little guy in China who is responsible for quality control, and yourself. There is no reliability that can be labeled as such, caps die, resistors burn out, diodes electrolize etc.

There is exactly nothing special about either company or pc, it's just ppl who build a computer with parts that anyone off the street can buy themselves. The only thing being different is these guys do a very respectable job of making a top line pc out of those street parts that's not only well balanced, but is put together and tested done right, which most ppl off the street cannot do, or Tom's forums would be kinda quiet.

You ask after reliability, they are the same. There's enough power in either that they'll both be useful 10 years from now, and both be very relevant 5 years from now. You might have to replace a part or two, but that's no different than getting new tires on the car, or the belts changed or new spark plugs.

 

[J_E_D_70]

If you do buy one of these overpriced systems at least buy the monitor from Newegg, Amazon, or pretty much anywhere else. The model you list is nearly double the cost coming from these companies - that is well past the line of foolish.

Really should reconsider doing it yourself. I specced out a $2500 basic gaming system from them and then checked the parts on Newegg - $1500. That's a 40% markup for a name and a couple years warranty. Absurd. Please don't feed the beast.

 

[Karadjgne]

Bah! Cry Humbug! Every person in either one of those companies has a job. It's productive in one way or another. They have families, loved ones who depend on them. Feed the Beast if you can afford to, it's only money. Can't spend it when you're dead, so enjoy it when you're living.

 

[clintnerd]

The original question was who was the better builder.

 

[Carnaxus]

And the answer to that is they're about equal in terms of building powerful computers. Maingear just puts a lot of artistic flair into their builds as well. It comes down to do you want a Ferrari or a modded-to-the-teeth Mustang GT?

 

[clintnerd]

IF you guys had a choice and someone said here is $5,000 and you could only pick between Falcon or Maingear, which would you chose and why?

 

[superninja12]

IF you guys had a choice and someone said here is $5,000 and you could only pick between Falcon or Maingear, which would you chose and why?

none, because no one is seriously that stupid to throw 5000 dollars away.

 

[J_E_D_70]

If I had to pick with that amount, I would go with whichever one gave me the most horsepower at that price. Not custom water, LEDs, or case paint jobs. Power. Once I hit that ceiling then the "gamer" items.

Unless it was forbidden by the deal, I would then sell it for as much as I could, build my own awesome rig for ~$1.6 - 1.7k and pocket the rest.