Why are ati 6000 cards so cheap?

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I've been busy with school/work lately and i haven't visited any computer hardware website. I have a Ati 5850 , I was thinking of selling it to get a gtx 470 or 460 'cause i need them for the cuda(3d rendering). But i just went to newegg and I saw that ati 6800 cards are being sold :\ and they are much cheaper than 5800. How come? Do you think I will be able to sell my 5850 for 200? at CL?

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Well, you see, AMD decided to rename their series. 68xx is what 57xx was like, and then they will have the 6950, 6970, and 6990. 6950 and 6970 being like the 5850 and 5870, and the 6990 being 5970. However, even though the 68xx are like the 57xx, they perform extremely well for being what most people would think would be low end, hence the reason they renamed it.
 
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Sure, no problem! :lol: The really wouldnt be an upgrade to your 5850, the 6850 is about 7% slower than a 5850, and the 6870 is about 7% slower than a 5870. But considering the prices, the 6850 is the best deal in the whole price section.
 
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NO NO NO :bounce: :bounce:
The 68xx (Barts cards) are not a direct replacement of anything. To call them replacements for the 57xx is misleading. I understand what Ares is saying (i think) but what omgitzfatal posted " Remember the 68xx are to replace the 57xx series, not the 58xx series." Is a bit misleading.
The Barts chip is basically a refined and cut down Cypress chip and its position and pricing is more a reflection of how well received the GTX 460 has been received along with the need to make some room at the bottom end for fusion chips (CPU's with built in graphics).
The main idea is to fill in the big gap they left between the 5770 and the 5850 last time around, this means a step back to how it was back with the 1xxx cards, more derivatives between bottom and top so there isnt a neat little Bottom =5xxx to mid= 58xx to high=59xx.
Quite whats happening with the 5770 i don't yet know but for now its staying where it is rumours say it may get a few tweaks and be renamed to the 6770. What ever they decide to do we will end up with 4 segments.
6750/6770 6850/6870 6950/6970 6990.
Juniper ? Barts Cayman Antilles.

So its more of a repositioning of the segments to fit in the extra one and allow some room at the bottom to let the Fusion chips in.
If we have to look on it as whats replacing what then it would go like this.
Juniper will probably get tweaked and end up with better performance and when that happens that is the 5770 replacement.
Barts (68xx) is a new segment to itself really but if we must its replacing the 5830.
Cayman (69xx) is replacing Cypress (58xx)
Antilees (6990) is replacing the Dual Cypress card (5970)

Mactronix :)
 
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While this is technically correct, the only way to get it to make sense is to say they occupy about where 57xx did when it came out. TBH, this is like a 5790 and 5830, so its hard to say whether they replaced or not.
 
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well if the 6870 is about a 470-5%, and the 6950 is about a 480+5%, and theres a 20-25% performance difference between the 2, it would actually make sense for the 6930 of sorts to replace where the 5850 was in price. The 5850 was about $279, if they sold this around that mark, then it would actually be a pretty good deal, AS LONG AS IT DOESNT SCREW UP LIKE THE 5830! :lol:
 
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:lol: :lol: I always laugh at that still :lol:
 
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You are correct that that isn't how it's always been but that's not how it is now either. Prevailing "wisdom" on the topic has reversed since AMD bought ATI but in both cases the idea that certain processors prefer certain brands of video cards was and is entirely made up.
 
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Shorten it to the last 3 words if the rest is confusing you:

Entirely made up.
 
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AMD owns AMD/ATi, all their motherboards support Crossfire. It used to be the opposite. Intel works eqaully well with both, however EVGA boards are build with Nvidia in mine, NF200. Also, a bit back, some Intel boards couldnt even do ATi Xfire. So its not entirely made up.
 
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No, it is made up.
You are talking about the compatibility of motherboards with multi-card setups which is a MUCH more specific issue than general compatibility.
Also, you reversed what you said. Before "Intel generally has more compatibility with Nvidia" and now "Intel works eqaully well with both." In actuality crossfire is more common than SLI even on Intel motherboards because Nvidia charges for the privilege.
I'm not sure what you mean by "some Intel boards couldnt even do ATi Xfire." Some still can't crossfire. Some AMD boards can't either. As always if you want a board that can SLI or crossfire you need to purchase an appropriate motherboard no matter the processor involved.
Finally, can you tell me specifically how EVGA motherboards are more compatible with Nvidia and what issues someone with an ATI card will face when using them? This is the first I've heard about that.
 
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Ok, to sum it up, all im getting at is with Intel, on every single board that has 2 PCI 2.0 x16 lanes, you can do both SLI and Crossfire, not the case with AMD boards, and vice versa. No matter how you word that, i count that as compatibility.
 
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Evga boards (intel chipsets)work fine with 100% compatibility with AMD cards, and in multi- gpu set ups.
They were one of the only choices when the scene only had the 5870 dx11 card, and people that could, wanted to put 4 of them together.
Evga had the first x58 board out to do it.
 
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