Question Why are there no more new low end GPUs anymore?

[Phil Holm]

Why is there a seemingly large gap in the ~$100 to sub $200 price point? Every time a new generation of cards come out, its all mid to high end options. Wheres the rtx 4050? The rx 7500xt? Why is every sub $200 GPU just refreshes of older cards, made up of laptop components or just freakin gt 710s.

RX 6500xt, Rx 6400, 3060 6gb, another refresh of the gtx 1650, the arc A380- yes, you can make these work but they're all still disappointing. It's also filled with overpriced gt710, 730, 750, 1030 and 1050 gpus.

This price point is entirely dominated by the used market; which isn't entirely a bad thing, but why not have new options? For example, the rx 580, rx 5500xt, are better than most new cards in their respective prices, why not just make new versions of these cards with latest architecture? Heck, just sell new RX 580s like nvidia sells the shitty gt 700 cards, instead of reselling old chinese mining rx570s. Its bound to be profitable for them?

The midrange options are getting more or less better every year and getting people excited, but the low end options seem to get worse in terms of both price and performance.
Why dont we see good low budget cards like the GTX 1050, 1050ti, RX 560, 570 etc anymore with the newer generations? I know inflation is a thing, but even then it shouldn't be THIS bad. The newer generations literally dont have a low end option.

In contrast, in the CPU market, there is a good option for practically any price point. This isn't entirely thanks to the latest generation, but by the availability of older CPUs which also gradually decrease in their prices. But this kind of phenomenon is completely absent in the GPU side of things.

I'm sorry if this post turned out to be mindless venting, but i have waited year and year again to see a, idk, "successor" to something like the legendary RX 480/570/580 or the GTX 1050/1050ti cards, only to be greeted with nothing at all.

 

[SydneyAngel]

Everything is so expensive nowadays that price point dissapeared it seems. I purchased a GTS 250 back in the day for i think around 200 dollars and a GTX 260 for 250. I bet there is no profit for these companys to make these cards like 710 or 1030

 

[Eximo]

Onboard graphics have superseded this market segment. The person needing a basic graphics adapter is basically satisfied with Intel HD / Iris Xe based graphics, and on the AMD side the G class APUs and basically all the higher end integrated RDNA graphics are also good.

The person willing to spend on a discrete card isn't necessarily looking for the bare minimum. And the cost of production has a lower limit so $100+ is just going to be the way of things, and serious cards start around $200. If we are talking the US, tariffs may see an end to the sub $200 market entirely.

Same with small hard drives, they essentially died off because the cost of density no longer became the limiting factor. The basic chassis, motors, bearings, spindle, and read write heads are the 'expensive' parts. Small SSDs became cheap enough to replace them.

I picked up a GT1030 GDDR5 for $90, that pretty well satisfies a basic adapter, that was before the big inflationary GPU mining and tariffs started up. I will keep that as a spare part for a long time. I also have an A380 for fun.

 

[XxDarkMario20xX]

Looked up google and it says this. Times have changed now and gaming have change.

GPU manufacturers like Nvidia and AMD are largely not producing "low-end" GPUs anymore because the market for them has shrunk due to factors like increasingly capable integrated graphics in CPUs, higher production costs for low-end cards compared to their profit margins, and a growing demand for high-performance GPUs for tasks like machine learning and cryptocurrency mining, making it more profitable to focus on higher-end models.

Key points:

• Integrated graphics improvement:
  Modern CPUs have significantly improved integrated graphics, making a low-end dedicated GPU less necessary for basic tasks.
  
  
• Manufacturing economics:
  Producing a low-end GPU often requires using the same manufacturing processes as high-end GPUs, but with lower profit margins, making it less attractive for companies.
  
  
• Market shift:
  The demand for high-performance GPUs for applications beyond gaming (like AI and machine learning) has grown significantly, driving manufacturers to prioritize these segments.
  
  
• Scalping issues:
  The previous trend of cryptocurrency mining further exacerbated the issue of low-end GPUs being bought up by scalpers, impacting availability for regular users.

 

[LordVile]

Why is there a seemingly large gap in the ~$100 to sub $200 price point? Every time a new generation of cards come out, its all mid to high end options. Wheres the rtx 4050? The rx 7500xt? Why is every sub $200 GPU just refreshes of older cards, made up of laptop components or just freakin gt 710s.

RX 6500xt, Rx 6400, 3060 6gb, another refresh of the gtx 1650, the arc A380- yes, you can make these work but they're all still disappointing. It's also filled with overpriced gt710, 730, 750, 1030 and 1050 gpus.

This price point is entirely dominated by the used market; which isn't entirely a bad thing, but why not have new options? For example, the rx 580, rx 5500xt, are better than most new cards in their respective prices, why not just make new versions of these cards with latest architecture? Heck, just sell new RX 580s like nvidia sells the shitty gt 700 cards, instead of reselling old chinese mining rx570s. Its bound to be profitable for them?

The midrange options are getting more or less better every year and getting people excited, but the low end options seem to get worse in terms of both price and performance.
Why dont we see good low budget cards like the GTX 1050, 1050ti, RX 560, 570 etc anymore with the newer generations? I know inflation is a thing, but even then it shouldn't be THIS bad. The newer generations literally dont have a low end option.

I'm sorry if this post turned out to be mindless venting, but i have waited year and year again to see a, idk, "successor" to something like the legendary RX 480/570/580 or the GTX 1050/1050ti cards, only to be greeted with nothing at all.

Because manufacturers can’t compete with the used market at that price point. Why would you buy a 5060 for 250 when you can get a 6700 or 3070 for that price? Also manufacturing costs have just gone up and up making them less profitable.

 

[Phil Holm]

Onboard graphics have superseded this market segment. The person needing a basic graphics adapter is basically satisfied with Intel HD / Iris Xe based graphics, and on the AMD side the G class APUs and basically all the higher end integrated RDNA graphics are also good.

The person willing to spend on a discrete card isn't necessarily looking for the bare minimum. And the cost of production has a lower limit so $100+ is just going to be the way of things, and serious cards start around $200. If we are talking the US, tariffs may see an end to the sub $200 market entirely.

Same with small hard drives, they essentially died off because the cost of density no longer became the limiting factor. The basic chassis, motors, bearings, spindle, and read write heads are the 'expensive' parts. Small SSDs became cheap enough to replace them.

I picked up a GT1030 GDDR5 for $90, that pretty well satisfies a basic adapter, that was before the big inflationary GPU mining and tariffs started up. I will keep that as a spare part for a long time. I also have an A380 for fun.

APUs still haven't reached the level where it can fill my niche price-to-performance wise but I'll hopefully wait to see it get there.
I really liked your HDD analogy, it really helped me make sense of all this. Maybe one day APUs will fill in the shoes of low end GPUs of their glory days just like how smaller sized SSDs have for Hard drives.

 

[Eximo]

I suppose I agree, you generally get more performance per dollar with a CPU + GPU, but you still spend more. Most of the cost savings are in the mobile sector, and those savings are eaten up by the markup that laptops/embedded have always had. But you also have to consider that a very small minority of people that are building a desktop are going for bare minimum. The low end discrete market targets upgrades to older system, and they are doing pretty good on that with the likes of the RTX 3050 6GB. AMD is oddly the one that doesn't offer a low power fully featured GPU. 6500XT makes me sad.

I'm actually a little surprised the discrete component market has made it this far. Though the signs today are pointing toward tighter levels of integration. Soldered DDR5 showing higher speeds than desktop, increasingly large DRAM cache on SSDs, CPUs, GPUs. I see socketable system memory becoming a tertiary memory system with higher speed memory sitting on / adjacent silicon.

I hate to say Apple is going in the right direction, because some of the stuff they have done is outright anti-consumer, but a fully integrated CPU/GPU/Memory may very well be the future of PC hardware.

 

[JeffreyP55]

Why is there a seemingly large gap in the ~$100 to sub $200 price point? Every time a new generation of cards come out, its all mid to high end options. Wheres the rtx 4050? The rx 7500xt? Why is every sub $200 GPU just refreshes of older cards, made up of laptop components or just freakin gt 710s.

RX 6500xt, Rx 6400, 3060 6gb, another refresh of the gtx 1650, the arc A380- yes, you can make these work but they're all still disappointing. It's also filled with overpriced gt710, 730, 750, 1030 and 1050 gpus.

This price point is entirely dominated by the used market; which isn't entirely a bad thing, but why not have new options? For example, the rx 580, rx 5500xt, are better than most new cards in their respective prices, why not just make new versions of these cards with latest architecture? Heck, just sell new RX 580s like nvidia sells the shitty gt 700 cards, instead of reselling old chinese mining rx570s. Its bound to be profitable for them?

The midrange options are getting more or less better every year and getting people excited, but the low end options seem to get worse in terms of both price and performance.
Why dont we see good low budget cards like the GTX 1050, 1050ti, RX 560, 570 etc anymore with the newer generations? I know inflation is a thing, but even then it shouldn't be THIS bad. The newer generations literally dont have a low end option.

In contrast, in the CPU market, there is a good option for practically any price point. This isn't entirely thanks to the latest generation, but by the availability of older CPUs which also gradually decrease in their prices. But this kind of phenomenon is completely absent in the GPU side of things.

I'm sorry if this post turned out to be mindless venting, but i have waited year and year again to see a, idk, "successor" to something like the legendary RX 480/570/580 or the GTX 1050/1050ti cards, only to be greeted with nothing at all.

After building a 8700G APU (iGPU) rig. The 8700's graphics are perfect office and light gaming use. Even my 9900x CPU has onboard, get, you, going onboard graphics. Maybe some extremely light gaming with a "CPU." Not everybody likes GPU prices anyway. $800.00 for my 4070 ti Super? I won't tell you how much I paid for my RTX3080ti fwxx. That was a stupid investment. Pandemic, scalpers and asshole miners Bah!

 

[Gururu]

I used my iGPU for a whole year!

 

[stonecarver]

Because manufacturers can’t compete with the used market at that price point. Why would you buy a 5060 for 250 when you can get a 6700 or 3070 for that price?

That is a very interesting truth and it's on point.

But it was the GPU companies who have raised the inflation bar that the bottom tier GPU do like mentioned seem stale and over priced the smarter consumer will go for the better value. Used it is.

Onboard graphics have superseded this market segment. The person needing a basic graphics adapter is basically satisfied with Intel HD / Iris Xe based graphics, and on the AMD side the G class APUs and basically all the higher end integrated RDNA graphics are also good.

I agree as now people who just use the PC's minus gaming the newer IGPU's are more than adequate and will also game anything up to 2015 and newer but it get slimmer after that year.

Where it gets hard to balance is when your fixing a grandma's computer and she is on a fixed income and the cheaper choice is used GPU as most people in her age bracket have older PC's without a IGPU that there old GPU died.

I have had to get them an GTX 1060 or a GTX 970 or the new low price used GPU is the GTX 1660 ti.

So over kill for grandma's and they will never use the horse power looking at her email and playing bingo but the price point to a fixed GPU to me is a used GPU.

I can find these models for $25.00 to $80.00

I have just stopped looking for a new low end GPU.

 

[LordVile]

That is a very interesting truth and it's on point.

But it was the GPU companies who have raised the inflation bar that the bottom tier GPU do like mentioned seem stale and over priced the smarter consumer will go for the better value. Used it is.


I agree as now people who just use the PC's minus gaming the newer IGPU's are more than adequate and will also game anything up to 2015 and newer but it get slimmer after that year.

Where it gets hard to balance is when your fixing a grandma's computer and she is on a fixed income and the cheaper choice is used GPU as most people in her age bracket have older PC's without a IGPU that there old GPU died.

I have had to get them an GTX 1060 or a GTX 970 or the new low price used GPU is the GTX 1660 ti.

So over kill for grandma's and they will never use the horse power looking at her email and playing bingo but the price point to a fixed GPU to me is a used GPU.

I can find these models for $25.00 to $80.00

I have just stopped looking for a new low end GPU.

Don’t think it’s really them that’s raised the inflation, people just get confused since the titan rebranding to the 90 card. A 1080 has only gone up by $200 after inflation which doesn’t account for tariffs, production costs etc. The last Titan cost $3000.

I’m not saying they haven’t jacked the price up but you can’t compare a 1080 to a 5090 because it’s not the same class of card.

 

[USAFRet]

Similarly, car stereos.

Used to be, factory car audio sucked HARD.
So, you installed something 3rd party new.

Today, not so much.
Car audio is "good enough" for most people.
Just like iGPU.

 

[logainofhades]

The low end market does kinda suck right now. The closest to $200 new is an RX 6600.

 

[Eximo]

3050 6GB is out there for $170. Not a bad choice to drop in an old office machine.

A580 is around that price as well, but you do need a relatively new system for that to work.

6500XT and RX6400 aren't fully featured and with only 4x connections, kind of the worst thing to plug into old systems.

 

[stuff and nonesense]

Car audio is "good enough" for most people.

Good enough is the target, after that add in parts can be charged at “luxury” prices.