Why are we destroying America?

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And other youth are told "The reason why you're suffering is because the deck is stacked against you, it's too difficult because all the minorities are getting special benefits you aren't! That must be stopped!"

Lots of people get elected through that lie too.

 


How about we just let individuals choose between the public option and private insurance, like Germany, the UK and Canada already do?
 


Well yes, they do use BS to get elected.

Even an incumbent might find it hard to run on a platform of "Everything is just fine" because well, getting folks riled up is much better.

 
Why are we destroying America?

"We" Americans, collectively, are not destroying America. Is it the concerted push by a socialists who's aim is to grow the federal government and turn it into the end-all-be-all solution to America's problems. Decades of socialist ideals and class warfare brought into America by European socialist fleeing tyranny in their own countries at the turn of the 1900's has steered the Republic from it's First Principles and perverted the Constitution. America has been on a steady decline since the New Deal and the passage of the 17th Amendment. Subsequent Democratic and socialist program extensions have only furthered the divide within America. We are not destroying ourselves, they are destroying America from within; we Americans are trying to stop it.

@ Silmarunya and Gulli...

America is a Constitutional Republic. American republicanism is the antithesis of tyranny of the majority.

Socialism and any form of social democracy by design is "tyranny of the majority".

The traditional American social democratic movement has abandoned the idea of achieving a socialist economy in America and is instead pushing for economic reforms to increase the welfare state and unemployment benefits. This has been proven by the Democrat and Obama agenda over the past three years.

Social democrats are failing and will continue to fail in their attempts to reform America through economic reforms. This has been proven by the rejection of Obama and social democrats during the mid-term elections. It will be proven again when Obama is voted out in 2012.

Claiming that European style socialism or any form of social democracy is better than American republicanism makes for nice intellectual forum discourse, but nothing more.

What works for social democracies in Europe does not work and is largely incompatible with American republicanism.

The levels of freedom and liberty that are given to European citizens by their social democracies are far less than the freedoms and liberties guaranteed by the American Constitution. I dare anyone to compare the Constitution of ANY European country to the Natural Rights guaranteed the American Constitution and tell me the freedoms and liberties of the American people are less.
 
You used to govern by consensus politics for the good of America but the media bile and dislike of Barack Obama has shamed your Republican representatives who stalled on a new credit limit and seek to block President Obama's plans frequently.

You are $14 trillion dollars in debt and this looks likely never to come down as you chase the American dream and each President spends to cement their place in American history. The maximum 8 year 2-term limit is crushing your country as no President will ever want to be remembered as a tax-raiser and curtail their own aspirations through budget-deficit reduction.

Soon you will not be the world's biggest economy and the goods you now produce will be made better and bought elsewhere. Gas shortages will crush your economy as you will be unable to absorb the high energy costs and remain competitive. Then you will default and have to pay higher borrowing costs and you will be broke. The future is quite bleak for America unless you can embrace and lead the new green energy production revolution that the world will require and is to come.
 
OMFG! The notion that Republicans are to blame for the debt downgrade is laughable. Cut me a fu*k*ng break...

Democrats controlled the House, Senate, and White House from 2008-2010. During that time they went without proposing a budget let alone passing a budget. During that time government spending increased to historical highs and the national debt increased to historical highs. Again , Democrats controlled the House, Senate, and White House...not Republicans!

The 2010 mid-term election happens, Republicans try to put a stop to the spending and bring back fiscal responsibility, and then the liberal demagoguery began. Next thing you know, Republicans and the Tea-Party are to blame for the debt downgrade. WHAT A FRIGGIN JOKE! HAHAHAHAHAHA! OMFG!!!!!!

Fact is, both Democrats AND Republicans are responsible and to blame for the debt downgrade.

America does not have a revenue problem, the federal government is receiving historically high tax revenues. The budget issue is due to rampant government spending!!!!
 


You keep asserting this, but doing so is actually evidence of the very thing I'm pointing out.

Really, I can open read the letter to my local paper any given week and see somebody who's written in about the terrible minorities and how they're getting so much advantage.



What if he's not?



They are to blame for the current conflict, as they can't even compromise ever so minimally resolve a dispute. Just ask the 8 last night. 10-1 spending cuts versus revenue increases, they all turned it down in lockstep. I can respect sticking to you guns, but that seems rather intransigent.

The entirety of the problem is distinct from some of the particulars. If people aren't being specific enough, call them out on that.

Democrats controlled the House, Senate, and White House from 2008-2010. During that time they went without proposing a budget let alone passing a budget. During that time government spending increased to historical highs and the national debt increased to historical highs. Again , Democrats controlled the House, Senate, and White House...not Republicans!
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Your dates are off. The upward trend started in 2000. Why do you ignore that?? Oh, I know.

The 2010 mid-term election happens, Republicans try to put a stop to the spending and bring back fiscal responsibility, and then the liberal demagoguery began. Next thing you know, Republicans and the Tea-Party are to blame for the debt downgrade. WHAT A FRIGGIN JOKE! HAHAHAHAHAHA! OMFG!!!!!!
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Republicans ran on a campaign of jobs, not cutting spending. They said so themselves. Then they realized that if they made the economy better, Obama would benefit, so instead they decided to focus on spending issues. Which they only want to fix by destroying the things they personally despise, even when the waste in other areas is actually greater.

That's the joke. That you actually believe their spin.

Fact is, both Democrats AND Republicans are responsible and to blame for the debt downgrade.
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If you truly wished to assert that, you should try less defensiveness of the Republicans, and at least acknowledge what they have done wrong.

America does not have a revenue problem, the federal government is receiving historically high tax revenues. The budget issue is due to rampant government spending!!!!
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Except you're not controlling for inflation and growth of GDP. Sorry, but federal revenues are actually LOWER if you check on historically comparable terms.

 
'We have changed our assumption on this because the majority
of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise
revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act.'

Lets see, the republicans control the congress?
If youd read it all, its the long term, not short term, which is the reason
Now, a quick fix by raising taxes means nothing, and the true cuts?
Anyone bother to really see them?
You can do this 3 ways, either cut spending, since no early term was a consideration, you could only raise taxes, which doesnt change anything but more coming in, with intended monies going out as usually, or do both.
Most people will cut spending, and not seek further employment, or raise their own revenues.
Few will do both.
We want them to act like we do, as theyve shown a great amount of irresponsibility
 
]Funny since it was the Republicans that actually caused S&P to downgrade US's credit. Obama implemented the balanced plan which is to cut and raise revenues (increasing taxes). The republican congress went against any increased revenues and went on over a month worth of bickering which shouldn't have happened. S&P approved the balanced plan and it would have avoided the downgrade on the US.
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That wouldn't involve the like...5 plans that the house passed and senate blocked would it now?

I blame the Republicans for not coming up with one solution that would have entirely avoided the downgrade. After the downgrade happened, The republican party all came out in name calling rage fashion blaming the president when it is their own fault that got the USA in the mess. In fact even S&P blames them. If you do not believe me, I do have sources to back it up.
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Once again, the republicans can up with multiple plans that the democratic senate blocked....and either way 100 years from now, when people learn history, they'll remember that the credit rating went down under Obama...and it was his fault.

Go on http://www.standardandpoors.com/ratings/articles/en/us/?assetID=1245316529563
Read their reasons of the downgrade and it says exactly this

'We have changed our assumption on this because the majority
of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise
revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act.'
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Republicans were elected into washington to cut spending. This is a representative democracy where your elected official represents what you want...they did exactly what they got elected to do, not what they have on their own agenda like obama and the dems.

And there we have it. The republicans caused another recent recession again. To say that the democratic caused the recession is just blatantly stupid. During the Clinton years, we actually had surpluses that actually paid down the national debt but when Bush came into office, Bush managed to actually turn the surpluses into deficit which actually sank us deeper into the national debt.
Psht...ANOTHEr recession?...is there something I'm missing here?...the '08 was caused by democrats and now that democrats have basically controlled government for 5 whole years, they still can't fix it. The incompetence of the democratic party is appalling. Its like a bunch of uneducated lying pricks controlling the most powerful country on earth. Oh yeah, and you have clue what you are talking about, because the debt and surplus is irrelevant to what actually happened to cause the recession.

As the years went on, the national debt had skyrocketed to the point that the people especially the corporations were freaking out and the banks were unable to take on any more loans. That had caused major part of the crash of 2008. Sure, it was partly the democratic fault of fannie and freddy mae mess but it was not entirely their fault. They did contribute to the problem but no party is perfect. Watch the movie "Inside Job" if you want to be educated about how the entire crash of 2008 happened.
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Inside job is wrong, and please tell me how republicans are responsible. If you are able to tell me specifically what republicans did to cause the recession, I'll gain respect for you and forever be in your debt. I'm waiting for an explanation.

In the light of this, I find alot more things to blame about Republicans than Democratic in handling of America. If the Republican ran their way, it's corporate socialism with the tax cuts and tax loopholes which saves corporations alot of money and they use that money to send jobs oversea just to make more profit. At this time of history in America, we are facing 'corporate socialism'. When the corporate has too much wealth and hoards it, recession will occur. But when the corporate spends money on the domestic jobs and pay them well, the money will continue to flow, and in return, more people will find jobs and with more jobs, people will be able to buy more things which translate in more profit for the corporate. USA will also get more money from the income taxes which they can use to invest in education, healthcare, and infrastructure which is the positive force for any business to thrive in.

By this logic, if you give 1 dollar to a rich person, he would just hold it in his bank because he has no use for it which does not exactly simulate the economy. But if you give 1 dollar to a poor person, that person would use the money to buy foods or pay for the debts which will simulate the economy and basically give the money back to the corporate which they can use to invest in other things.
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Thats wrong actually...your logic is confused. not to mention at least there is logic in the republicans.

We just need to make business in USA more business friendly and we are not doing that because the education here is failing and so is the infrastructure. Don't even get started on the healthcare because the poor people cant even afford it. I know some people who work has problems with their legs or wrist and cannot take care of their problems because they cannot afford the skyrocketing healthcare costs.

Business will thrive if we have educated and healthy workforce as well as good maintained infrastructure. We just need more middle class to support the rich, not the poor to support the ultra rich. We are all human beings and we all have rights damn it! We need to have good education to develop real job skills, good healthcare to be healthy and work efficiently (A person who has problems with their wrists or any other body parts will not improve efficiency in their job but actually slows it down) and a great infrastructure which I think is self explanatory.
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Business is unfriendly in the U.S due to democrats once again. The EPA reigns of the environment make it impossible, plus the taxes and requirements are ridiculous.
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I didn't really want to get into all the political things here, but there is one thing I find interesting about our education system. For years, Americans have been told that our high school students score poorly compared to Europe and much of the world, which is true, but what is never mentioned is much of Europe and the rest of the world, if not most the world, do not teach all their teenagers. Only the top students go on through high school while the rest go to trade schools.

Of course our education system looks bad when you compare only the worlds best to our average. How is that a fair comparison?
 
^I agree...in socialism like in europe, the population is dogs. They are told their whole lives that they live in the best place on earth and compare apples to oranges. The entire population believes it, because they've never seen anything better...aka The United States.

Same happened with the USSR...everybody thought america was horrible and the worst...but once video was invented and the soviets saw how much better Americans lived, the USSR fell apart.

To bad europe is not very smart and going through the same cycle again...

There is good saying.

"A smart man learns from his mistakes, but a smarter man learns from anothers mistakes"
 
I don't know about throwing stones here. We too are taught to value our system. That's just how civilizations work. We learn from our parents and schools and they teach patriotism just like everyone else. I do believe in our system, for the most part, but we can't go around insulting others for their beliefs. I just brought up the school system thing because it's an unfair comparison.
 
People who believe in something stupid and something that doesn't work (socialism) and which has factually been proven many times over in history deserve to be insulted...

Just saying, but I am not going to insult anybody myself anyway.
 
Oh, and I forgot to mention, that the education evaluation scores in the USA, not only include all high school students, and that's all our kids but the few who drop out, it also includes special ed students, those who are mentally challenged.
 


people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. You made me laugh.

I don't know who told you that European believe in living in the best place, i don't know what allow you to say what "all European" are thinking but you are funny.
 



Oldman you need to take a chill pill.

We all have our own ideas on this ... not a good idea to bring race into this ... I have a decent tan.

Guys no need to get upset and slap each other with trout ... bite your pillows instead.

:)
 


False comparison: American high school is structured very differently. American high schools lump everyone together and then have students elect classes they want to take, so one high school diploma is worth more than another. Most European high schools have three levels which each have their own diploma (they're all high school, but an employer or college can immediately see what level you're on, so without having to look at all the classes you've taken). I've been to both American and European high schools.
 



Correct.
(We can find more than 3 levels in France, but they are more specific and less frequent chosen)

 


AP-level classes are equivalent to the highest tier in European high school. I'm not saying one system is better than the other, I was just responding to some guy who said European countries only put part of their kids through "real" highschool.
 


I didn't say all Europe, but some of Europe. Like Germany for example, some of their kids go to trade schools, some go to high school. I also mentioned about the rest of the world too, like China does the same thing. (I have friends who grow up in those 2 countries). Some countries are different, obviously.
 


Everyone in Germany goes to high school, not sure who told you otherwise. Sure, most don't go to the highest tier, but most kids in America don't take AP-classes either. A German high school offering only the lowest tier may be called a "trade school", but they offer at least the same standard of education as an American high school package consisting mainly of shop classes. The end result is mostly the same.
 
But do those students in the "trade school" tier get their test schools used to compare to the rest of the world? They don't. Do they include mentally challenged students who don't go to school in Europe, but are required by law to go to school here?

One of the major reason our test scores are considered low, when compared to the rest of the world is that we include every kids scores.

I'm not even saying your system is bad or wrong, just that our school systems test scores, which is what is used to compare us to the rest of the world, are unfairly handicapped.
 
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