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"Daniel Kolle" <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:17:17 -0000, "Cullen Skink"
> <news-groups@REMOVETHISTOEMAILntlworld.com> thought hard and said:
>
> >"Mantorok" <none@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> "Fry" <try@skingme.com> wrote in message
> >> news:36bsjjF4v77vaU1@individual.net...
> >> >> Where did the analogue stick originate from?
> >> > Not Nintendo
> >> >> Why is it the GC controller is the most accessible &
comfortable
> >> >> controller that exists?
> >> > I agree, but that's a matter of personal preference.
> >> >> Who invented rumble?
> >> > Not Nintendo
> >> >> Who knocked out the first wireless controller?
> >> > Not Nintendo
> >> >
> >> >> It pisses me off to think all these tossers and twats out there
> >forget
> >> >> history and just jump on whoever has the most processing power in
> >their
> >> >> console or who has the most sales.
> >> >
> >> > They haven't forgotten history, they never knew it. For them,
> >PlayStation
> >> > was the first games console.
> >>
> >> How true....playstation was the first mainstream console and for
some
> >reason
> >> people (journalists?) seem to think it was a revolution....
> >
> >It was.
>
> Hardly. What makes you think it was?

I've already said why.
 
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"menu boy" <ilmobixSPAMIT@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de
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> >
> > Every console has a few ground breaking games.
>
> Except the Jaguar.
>

EVEN the Jaguar. I never owned one, but I remember at the time Alien vs
Predator had very good reviews.
 
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>> >
>> > Every console has a few ground breaking games.
>>
>> Except the Jaguar.
>>
>
> EVEN the Jaguar. I never owned one, but I remember at the time Alien vs
> Predator had very good reviews.

and its worth a small fortune now!
 
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> Whenever I read articles, or to be honest, this appears to be most peoples
> opinion, there always appears to be this "oh god its only Nintendo"?
>
> I would love to ask these people some questions.....
>
> Why is it Nintendo are responsible for the majority of "all time" best
> ever games?

Nintendo has made some of the greatest games of all-time. The problem is,
they keep remaking those handful of games over and over for each new system.

> Who invented the d-pad?

Nintendo, for its Game and Watches, and I hate it.

> Who came up with shoulder buttons?

Four shoulder buttons? PlayStation. Two? Nintendo for the SNES...and few
games utilized them.

> Where did the analogue stick originate from?

Atari. It's 5200 system had an analog stick.

> Why is it the GC controller is the most accessible & comfortable
> controller that exists?

That's your personal preference. I hate the GC controller. The PlayStation
controller is much better, IMO.

> Who invented rumble?

According to a recent lawsuit, Innovation did.

> Who knocked out the first wireless controller?

There was a wireless Atari 2600 controller back in the old days. But I do
agree that the Wavebird is more comfortable than the Logitech wireless
controllers for the PS2 and Xbox.

> Who produced the first handheld? (ok, i'm not 100% on this one but I'm
> sure it was the GB)

No, it wasn't. Milton Bradley introduced the Microvision in 1982, which was
the first handheld that let you play multiple games instead of one built-in
game.

> Who has the console that is (pretty much) free from piracy?

That's because it is also (pretty much) free from online gaming and free
from a hard drive, and because it is free from playing music CD's or DVD
movies. That's not a strength, IMO.

> Now come on, where would any other games console maker be today if it
> weren't for some of the wonderful inventions nintendo produced?

Nintendo saved the game market after the crash, when everyone else thought
it was dead. So I give them credit for keeping videogames alive. But they
also illegally controlled the chip supply and stifled innovation when it
came to their handheld line. If Nintendo hadn't been there, Sega would have
kept the market alive. And perhaps Sony would have still entered the market
eventually, despite not working on a CD-ROM add on for the SNES if Nintendo
never existed.

> I think much, much more respect is due to Nintendo, fair enough they are
> lagging behind other companies but a lot of that is down to 3rd party
> support rather than the geniuses behind other consoles. It pisses me off
to
> think all these tossers and twats out there forget history and just jump
on
> whoever has the most processing power in their console or who has the most
> sales. Props to MS though for getting online gaming up, what has sony
done
> again?? Oh yeah, the EyeToy.......major contribution I must say.
>
> Rant over.
>
> Kev

Sounds like anti-PlayStation sour grapes to me.

Nintendo gets respect from me for what they've done in the past. But what
have they done for us lately?

It was Sony who brought gaming into the mainstream with the original
PlayStation, recognizing that the market was more than just a bunch of 8
year-old kids. While Nintendo stuck with cartridges, Sony went with
CD-ROMs. While Nintendo stuck with their own proprietary mini-disks, Sony
went with DVD-ROMs so that people who aren't hardcore gamers could use their
PlayStation 2's to watch movies. Nintendo kept the GameBoy from
evolving--heck, it was still black and white long after Sega and Atari had
color, back-lit systems. Only recently, with the threat of competition, did
Nintendo bother to improve its handhelds. So, instead of playing 5 year-old
SNES games on by GBA:SP, I can now play 10 year-old N64 games on my DS. Big
deal! Meanwhile, the PSP allows me to play movies and MP3 music, my own
videos, and games that rival the PS2.

Nintendo is not the innovator or leader they once were....the fact that most
everything on your list of their accomplishments came from 10-20 years ago
is a telling point. They don't deserve disrespect either, but neither are
they due blind allegiance. I own every console Nintendo has ever made,
including the Virtual Boy, but I also own all the competition, and I never
jump on the bandwagon based only on sales (PS2) or processing power (Xbox).
It's all about which company gives me the best gaming experience. For me,
Nintendo has not been that company since the days of the SNES. It's likely
that others feel the same way, seeing as how Nintendo hasn't outsold the
competition since the early 1990's.
 
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<we-all-love-ebay@we-all-love-ebay.com> fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>> EVEN the Jaguar. I never owned one, but I remember at the time Alien vs
>> Predator had very good reviews.
>
>and its worth a small fortune now!

Which? The game or the Jaguar?

New Jaguars are about £20, and the game is still in bargain bins for a few
quid. I have two of each, and paid less than £30 for the lot (and 10 more
games).

deKay
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"deKay" <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> wrote in message
> >> EVEN the Jaguar. I never owned one, but I remember at the time Alien vs
> >> Predator had very good reviews.
> >
> >and its worth a small fortune now!
>
> Which? The game or the Jaguar?
Not checked for a while but traditionally AvsP and Tempest for the Jag went
for a decent amount. Prolly wort hchecking out ebay if you have a 'spare'.

cNp
 
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>> Which? The game or the Jaguar?
>Not checked for a while but traditionally AvsP and Tempest for the Jag went
>for a decent amount. Prolly wort hchecking out ebay if you have a 'spare'.

Bloody hell, you're right! Why the heck are people buying it for £56? Surely
it can't be that rare - almost every Jag owner has a copy. Of all the games I
see for the Jag at boot sales and stuff, only Cybermorph outnumbers it.

deKay
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"deKay" <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> wrote in message
> Bloody hell, you're right! Why the heck are people buying it for £56?
Surely
> it can't be that rare - almost every Jag owner has a copy. Of all the
games I
> see for the Jag at boot sales and stuff, only Cybermorph outnumbers it.

You're very lucky then, I've never seen one in the 'wild'... on the other
hand you don't come across many Jaguars at all!

Tempest is a great game, AvP... can't see what all the fuss was/is about!

cNp
 
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cNp wrote:
>
> "deKay" <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> wrote in message
> > Bloody hell, you're right! Why the heck are people buying it for £56?
> Surely
> > it can't be that rare - almost every Jag owner has a copy. Of all the
> games I
> > see for the Jag at boot sales and stuff, only Cybermorph outnumbers it.
>
> You're very lucky then, I've never seen one in the 'wild'... on the other
> hand you don't come across many Jaguars at all!
>
> Tempest is a great game, AvP... can't see what all the fuss was/is about!

Playing as the Predator is great. You choose what visual filter you
want, there's an honor code, you have a variety of franchise appropriate
weapons. I never enjoyed the Alien or Marine scenarios nearly as much.
But I bought the Jag at full price for AVP in 1994, and it was worth it
once I got the game.
 
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Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> wrote in news:87y8e3u8q9.fsf@tc-1-
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> "gdfgf" <fgdfg@sdfdsf.net> writes:
>>> Why is it the GC controller is the most accessible & comfortable
>>
>> Not for 2D games. I'd rather play the PS2 controller for 2D games.
>
> Why?
>
> -Miles

Harder to reach the d-pad, for one.

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Corwin

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> "Mantorok" <none@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > Where did the analogue stick originate from?
>
> Atari. It's 5200 system had an analog stick.
>


Does the Magnavox Odyssey2 ring a bell?
 
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"deKay" <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Mon, 7
> Feb
> 2005 11:06:53 -0000, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
> uk.games.video.gamecube, yawatina tan reek esk "cNp"
> <cparsonsukspam@aol.com>
> fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>> Which? The game or the Jaguar?
>>Not checked for a while but traditionally AvsP and Tempest for the Jag
>>went
>>for a decent amount. Prolly wort hchecking out ebay if you have a
>>'spare'.
>
> Bloody hell, you're right! Why the heck are people buying it for £56?
> Surely
> it can't be that rare - almost every Jag owner has a copy. Of all the
> games I
> see for the Jag at boot sales and stuff, only Cybermorph outnumbers it.

I get a couple of AVP each year, but I do a LOT of booting, rarely get below
£45-50 for a nice boxed example!
 
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deKay wrote:
> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Wed, 2 Feb
> 2005 12:48:10 -0000, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
> uk.games.video.gamecube, yawatina tan reek esk "Mantorok" <none@tiscali.co.uk>
> fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>
>>Could you please follow up your dead-end response with some explaination?
>>Who did invent all the above, although it probably doesn't matter, N
>>successfully brought those things into the VG industry regardless.
>
>
> For what I know, yes:
>
>
>>>> Who invented the d-pad?
>>>
>>>Nintendo claim this, but I have yet to see proof that they did it first.
>
>
> I do not know. I am sure similar control schemes were in use before the Game
> and Watch, though.
>
>
>>>> Who came up with shoulder buttons?
>>>
>>>Not Nintendo.
>
>
> I had a Konix joystick in 1985 with shoulder buttons.
>
>
>>>> Where did the analogue stick originate from?
>>>
>>>Not Nintendo, that's for sure.
>
>
> I built an analogue stick for the BBC micro in 1993. I have previously used
> them an many machines. IIRC, the Vectrex and Emerson Arcadia had analogue
> sticks. PCs had analogue sticks in the early 80s, if not before.
>
>
>>>> Who invented rumble?
>>>
>>>Not Nintendo.
>
>
> Lightguns had rumble long before the N64. There was a rumble controller for
> the Atari 2600, I think - made by Amiga of all people, IIRC. Also, arcade
> cabinets have had rumble for about 25 years.
>
>
>>>> Who knocked out the first wireless controller?
>>>
>>>Not Nintendo.
>
>
> I have a wireless PC controller from 1997, and had infrared wireless pads for
> my Master System.
>
>
>>>> Who produced the first handheld? (ok, i'm not 100% on this one but I'm
>>>>sure it was the GB)
>>>
>>>Not Nintendo by a long way.
>
>
> There are many Game and Watch-alikes that pre-date the Game and Watch.
>
>
>>>> Who has the console that is (pretty much) free from piracy?
>>>
>>>The GC may be, the GBA is rife with it.
>
>
> You only have to look at eBay for proof of this.
>
>
>>>>Props to MS though for getting online gaming up, what has sony done
>>>>again?? Oh yeah, the EyeToy.......major contribution I must say.
>>>
>>>Considering the number of Eyetoys sold, I'd say it was. But Sony didn't
>>>invent that concept either.
>
>
> The sales figures of Eyetoys (and the way it hasn't been dropped by Sony like
> every other failed add-on by any other manufacturer has been) speak for
> themselves. The Game Boy camera has some "eyetoy" functionality long before
> the Eyetoy itself, and almost as long as there have been webcams, there have
> been Eyetoy-type games.
>
> Is that enough for you?
>
> deKay
I HATE it when people try and compare computer peripheals with video
games controllers 'n stuff. You can't really compare the two(like a
wireless controller) because anyone can make a computer controler, and
if they have some programming knowldge, write drivers for them.
 
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uk.games.video.gamecube, yawatina tan reek esk Ash <furroash@nb.sympatico.ca>
fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>I HATE it when people try and compare computer peripheals with video
>games controllers 'n stuff. You can't really compare the two(like a
>wireless controller) because anyone can make a computer controler, and
>if they have some programming knowldge, write drivers for them.

But surely it is just as easy to make a console controller? The only slight
difficulty would be the plug on it, as they're generally "non-standard".

deKay
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deKay wrote:
> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Fri, 11 Feb
> 2005 12:52:19 GMT, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
> uk.games.video.gamecube, yawatina tan reek esk Ash <furroash@nb.sympatico.ca>
> fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>
>>I HATE it when people try and compare computer peripheals with video
>>games controllers 'n stuff. You can't really compare the two(like a
>>wireless controller) because anyone can make a computer controler, and
>>if they have some programming knowldge, write drivers for them.
>
>
> But surely it is just as easy to make a console controller? The only slight
> difficulty would be the plug on it, as they're generally "non-standard".
>
> deKay

I suppose - but it's like this: You can't say that so-and-so was the
first company to use CDs instead of cartridges, and then have someone
else say they're wring 'cause computers used them first. It's comparing
apples and oranges. Computers had a lot of things first before consoles,
like internet gameplay, or the SNES mouse.
 
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uk.games.video.gamecube, yawatina tan reek esk Ash <furroash@nb.sympatico.ca>
fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>>>I HATE it when people try and compare computer peripheals with video
>>>games controllers 'n stuff. You can't really compare the two(like a
>>>wireless controller) because anyone can make a computer controler, and
>>>if they have some programming knowldge, write drivers for them.
>>
>>
>> But surely it is just as easy to make a console controller? The only slight
>> difficulty would be the plug on it, as they're generally "non-standard".
>>
>> deKay
>
>I suppose - but it's like this: You can't say that so-and-so was the
>first company to use CDs instead of cartridges, and then have someone
>else say they're wring 'cause computers used them first. It's comparing
>apples and oranges. Computers had a lot of things first before consoles,
> like internet gameplay, or the SNES mouse.

But the original questions were "Who invented the ...", not "Who did ... first
on a console".

deKay
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"Ash" <furroash@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> I suppose - but it's like this: You can't say that so-and-so was the
> first company to use CDs instead of cartridges, and then have someone
> else say they're wring 'cause computers used them first. It's comparing
> apples and oranges.

No it isn't. How on earth is it any different at all?

> Computers had a lot of things first before consoles,
> like internet gameplay, or the SNES mouse.

Right, so why do idiots keep claiming that things like the Eyetoy are new
and innovative then...?
 
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Michael Cargill wrote:
> "Ash" <furroash@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4I3Pd.230406$Np3.9554681@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>
>>I suppose - but it's like this: You can't say that so-and-so was the
>>first company to use CDs instead of cartridges, and then have someone
>>else say they're wring 'cause computers used them first. It's comparing
>>apples and oranges.
>
>
> No it isn't. How on earth is it any different at all?
>
>
>>Computers had a lot of things first before consoles,
>> like internet gameplay, or the SNES mouse.
>
>
> Right, so why do idiots keep claiming that things like the Eyetoy are new
> and innovative then...?
>
>
First, 'cause they are (they haven't been on a console before, so they
*are* new). PLUS - I never said eyetoy was new. I just said that you
can't really compare computer perifeals with console or handheld
devices. Printers had been around for years, but nintendo still made a
big deal over the first gameboy printers.
 
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>
> But the original questions were "Who invented the ...", not "Who did ... first
> on a console".
>
> deKay

You're correct. I took the original question and expanded on it. I mean
to say, Nintendo might not have invented some of those things, but they
did play a key role in bringing them to consoles. Fer crying out loud,
Analog sticks are just a stick connected to two variable resistors. Any
asswipe with half a brain could make one, but nintendo was credited (key
word) with bringing them to the console.
 
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La tempo, Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:46:38 -0000 , La loco,
uk.games.video.gamecube . "Michael Cargill"
<mikementalist@myrealbox.com> scribis
>
>Right, so why do idiots keep claiming that things like the Eyetoy are new
>and innovative then...?
>


Because they're idiots?



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In uk.games.video.gamecube Ash <furroash@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Fer crying out loud, Analog sticks are just a stick connected to two
> variable resistors. Any asswipe with half a brain could make one, but
> nintendo was credited (key word) with bringing them to the console.

But that's still not correct. Several other consoles had analog
joysticks before Nintendo.

-a
 
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ammonton@cc.full.stop.helsinki.fi wrote:
> In uk.games.video.gamecube Ash <furroash@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>Fer crying out loud, Analog sticks are just a stick connected to two
>>variable resistors. Any asswipe with half a brain could make one, but
>>nintendo was credited (key word) with bringing them to the console.
>
>
> But that's still not correct. Several other consoles had analog
> joysticks before Nintendo.
>
> -a
Sorry, bad example.
 
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Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Fri, 11 Feb
2005 18:08:06 GMT, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.games.video.gamecube, yawatina tan reek esk Ash <furroash@nb.sympatico.ca>
fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>You're correct. I took the original question and expanded on it. I mean
>to say, Nintendo might not have invented some of those things, but they
>did play a key role in bringing them to consoles. Fer crying out loud,
>Analog sticks are just a stick connected to two variable resistors. Any
>asswipe with half a brain could make one, but nintendo was credited (key
>word) with bringing them to the console.

This *also* isn't true though - the Atari 5200, the Astrocade and no end of
other "based-on-pong" consoles had them.


deKay
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2005 18:05:27 GMT, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.games.video.gamecube, yawatina tan reek esk Ash <furroash@nb.sympatico.ca>
fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>> Right, so why do idiots keep claiming that things like the Eyetoy are new
>> and innovative then...?
>>
>>
>First, 'cause they are (they haven't been on a console before, so they
>*are* new).

But Nintendo had "webcam" games before Sony, with the Game Boy Camera.

>PLUS - I never said eyetoy was new. I just said that you
>can't really compare computer perifeals with console or handheld
>devices. Printers had been around for years, but nintendo still made a
>big deal over the first gameboy printers.

There was a printer for the Sega Mark III before that too.

deKay
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deKay wrote:
> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Fri, 11 Feb
> 2005 18:08:06 GMT, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
> uk.games.video.gamecube, yawatina tan reek esk Ash <furroash@nb.sympatico.ca>
> fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>
>>You're correct. I took the original question and expanded on it. I mean
>>to say, Nintendo might not have invented some of those things, but they
>>did play a key role in bringing them to consoles. Fer crying out loud,
>>Analog sticks are just a stick connected to two variable resistors. Any
>>asswipe with half a brain could make one, but nintendo was credited (key
>>word) with bringing them to the console.
>
>
> This *also* isn't true though - the Atari 5200, the Astrocade and no end of
> other "based-on-pong" consoles had them.
>
>
> deKay
OMFG!!! Don't you jave anything better to do than memorize old console
specs and point out *minor* technical inaccuracies? Let me rephrase this:

You're correct. I took the original question and expanded on it. I mean
to say, Nintendo might not have invented some of those things, but they
did play a key role in bringing them to MAINSTREAM, MODERN consoles. Fer
crying out loud, Analog sticks are just a stick connected to two
variable resistors. Any asswipe with half a brain could make one, but
nintendo was credited (key word) with bringing them to POPULAR consoles.