Why is my CPU hotter with the 212 Hyper Evo?

[unplanned bacon]

I used to idle at 35 or so using stock paste and the stock cooler.

I've changed to the 212 Hyper Evo and it's running 10 degrees hotter
Using Arctic Silver 5. I made the same mistakes when I installed the stock one a year ago and when I installed this, but surely it should be colder not hotter. It's like the fan is doing nothing if stock paste and cooler were doing a better job. Right now idling at 41, Prime 95 was at 68 which is pretty much near my gaming temps from before.

I was using a Zalman Z11 plus case with 5 running fans (Aftermarket Aerocool Sharks), now using an Obsidian 750D with stock fans only. The CPU is the same 4570 and the board has changed from Gigabyte H87 HD3 to MSI Gaming 7 Z97

 

[mcnumpty23]

if its 10c hotter than the stock cooler you havent mounted it right assuming the fan is working

 

[unplanned bacon]

if its 10c hotter than the stock cooler you havent mounted it right assuming the fan is working

I don't understand why though. Followed the instructions. It's making full contact with the CPU, the fan is running, and there is Arctic 5 in there (applied the way they say to do on their site), but the fan is ineffective. Should I run the case with the front hinged bit off?

EDIT: To be fair to it, I'm feeling the heat in my room as well. It's been very warm for the last couple of days

Once my pics upload, I'll show you how it's mounted

 

[bgunner]

Lets start with the changes made: you changed Case, Motherboard and Cooler.

Cooler: In order to compare different cooling components you MUST keep all the other parts the same. Changing the "case" will cause a difference in temps by just changing this.

Case: changing the case changes air flow and cooling effectiveness of parts due to the air flow change.

Motherboard: Changing the motherboard also changes the cooling in the case. This is because some boards will run hotter than others. Due to this the case air temp will rise causing the CPU temp to rise. Also if teh voltage and LLC are set differently then you can either get a temp raise or drop depending.

To be sure the cooler is mounted properly I recommend cleaning off all thermal paste and replying it to ensure proper thermal conductivity.


Hopefully with these explanations you can see how what you did effected your cooling.

 

[Vic 40]

Try to reseat the cooler,maybe even try the paste that comes with the cooler.Arctic 5 is very "thick" and needs to be put in a very thin layer on the cpu.

 

[unplanned bacon]

My old case felt like an ice box at times, and made the air around it pretty cold (until it got dust in there )

Maybe the fans I was using were better? To be fair, when I posted I was, and still am watching an hour long video

EDIT: Right now, my board reports 43, but won't spin that fan up. The Evo's fan doesn't seem to be told to go any faster
Tried it under gaming load briefly, and it stayed at around 40

 

[bgunner]

If you took your "IDLE" temps while the PC was in use, not sitting for 10 mins doing nothing, then your temp readings are inaccurate and can not be used. Watching a video usually causes the CPU to reach a minimum of 25% usage and causes the core clocks to jump around and creating creating heat.

Did you take your Idle temps like this?

 

[bgunner]

My old case felt like an ice box at times, and made the air around it pretty cold (until it got dust in there )

Maybe the fans I was using were better? To be fair, when I posted I was, and still am watching an hour long video

EDIT: Right now, my board reports 43, but won't spin that fan up. The Evo's fan doesn't seem to be told to go any faster

in the bios there should be a a part that allows you to select a fan profile OR create one your self. I would start there.

Also MSI may have a program that will allow you to also create a fan profile from inside windows. I recommend trying this second.

 

[Vic 40]

The Evo's fan doesn't seem to be told to go any faster

You've got it attached to the right header?

 

[unplanned bacon]

The Evo's fan doesn't seem to be told to go any faster

You've got it attached to the right header?

It's in CPU Fan 1

EDIT: I think I may have found the issue. In the BIOS, the default fan curve is very conservative and seems to be aimed at keeping it at 40 or so. It's only at 12.5% when at 40 to 55 degrees and I don't think it really spins up until 60 to 70 degrees. PWM does work, because I turned off smart fan control and the fan revved up to what I think is its full speed

See, my old board wasn't fancy like that. It just took care of it. Wanted a cooler computer? Shove more fans in

EDIT: If anyone's familiar with Click BIOS 4, what's the best fan curve to set? Also I have the ability to add a second fan to the Hyper 212 and the board will allow it. Should I do it?

 

[unplanned bacon]

Okay, my BIOS is targeting 40, how do I get it to target 30 degrees instead? It doesn't let me from what I can see, will keep looking

 

[Ubrales]

Okay, my BIOS is targeting 40, how do I get it to target 30 degrees instead? It doesn't let me from what I can see, will keep looking

30 degs. C may be a little too ambitious. Shoot for 35 degs. C when the ambient is around 22 degs. C. Generally, the temps will be about 15 degs. C higher than the ambient (even higher when the ambient is higher) - the relationship is non-linear, somewhat exponential. You may get this info from the heatsink manufacturer if they are willing to release such information (they definitely have this info).

 

[bgunner]

I am not familiar with your bios but try and play around with the settings to get it to the way you like it. Also Like I mentioned before MSI may have a program for your Motherboard to allow fan curve manipulation in the Windows environment.

For when I'm really trying to keep my CPU cool I set the fans to hit 100% @ 45°C. This can and will get a little loud for everyday use. For summer usage I set the CPU fan for 100% @ 55°C and for winter use I set it for 100% @ 60°C. This is my fan curve set up but I also have Asus' Thermal radar that allow's easy fan curve manipulation.

As for a second fan on the Hyper 212's it really is not worth it as I only get a max of 2°C drop with a second. If you are looking to improve the cooling you can put a spacer between the fan and the cooler to remove the dead air spot in the center of the fan. This will help more than an extra fan.

EDIT: MSI has "Command Center" that should allow the manipulation of teh CPU fan curve in windows. Give this program a shot.

 

[unplanned bacon]

I am not familiar with your bios but try and play around with the settings to get it to the way you like it. Also Like I mentioned before MSI may have a program for your Motherboard to allow fan curve manipulation in the Windows environment.

For when I'm really trying to keep my CPU cool I set the fans to hit 100% @ 45°C. This can and will get a little loud for everyday use. For summer usage I set the CPU fan for 100% @ 55°C and for winter use I set it for 100% @ 60°C. This is my fan curve set up but I also have Asus' Thermal radar that allow's easy fan curve manipulation.

As for a second fan on the Hyper 212's it really is not worth it as I only get a max of 2°C drop with a second. If you are looking to improve the cooling you can put a spacer between the fan and the cooler to remove the dead air spot in the center of the fan. This will help more than an extra fan.

EDIT: MSI has "Command Center" that should allow the manipulation of teh CPU fan curve in windows. Give this program a shot.

They do, MSI command center, which isn't very stable in my experience. It does the same as the BIOS fan curve. The lowest I can make it aim for is 40 though, which is retarded. Their default fan curves seem to follow Apple's line of thinking of it can run hotter, but as long as it's quiet, it's fine