Why is One Better?

[iknowreal]

Can someone explain to me why everyone is saying my fx8350 is garbage why is Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz better? Can someone break it down gaming and non gaming. Does it matter if they are OC or Not OC? The differences I have read the fx overclocking to 5.1 and I read somewhere of some guy getting 5.5ghz .

 

[Undying89]

The main problem is that fx 8350 single-threaded performance sucks compered to i5/i7 and thats what is most important in gaming. Its so bad that 8350 at 5Ghz would still loose to 4690k at 3.5ghz, its sad to say the least.

 

[avenseth12]

The AMD cpu is not garbage, it is just not as powerful as the Intel based chips especially for gaming. Here is a comparison of both CPUs on multiple tests

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=1261

 

[Karadjgne]

For every bolt, there is a nut. AMD has designed, even if unintentionally, a decent all around cpu in the fx series. It's good in games that use single thread and it's good in production software that thrives on multithread. Intel went in a different direction and concentrated on single thread performance as that was what the majority of user available software was written in. Remember, it wasn't too long ago that cpus actually left the dual core stage, so most everything the average Joes bought was tailored for single-dual core tech and that trend hasnt changed much till recently.

Is the 8350 garbage just cuz it's older? NO. That's a crap idea. Nothing wrong with older tech at all as long as it still works, and it does. The problems lie in its just good at gaming, not great. Intel is more in tune with directX and stronger at single thread performance, so in games, its great.

It's not that AMD is garbage, it just has a really bad habit of coming in last place when put up against a similar Intel pc.

Unless budget is more of a concern than top performance and benchmarks. That's when Intel really bites it.

No replacement for displacement? Hah. BS. My Dodge station wagon with its 345cu.in v8 will blow the doors off my buddies 501cu.in caddy, or the 454cu.in Ford work truck I use. Like my wife would tell you, its not what you have, but how you use it. That applies to the 8350 too.

 

[iknowreal]

Sorry, but your 8350 is garbage. It's based on technology from 2011 with no significant changes. That 2011 tech is actually SLOWER (slightly) than their old 2009 tech, so you have a CPU that, per core, per cycle, is actually slightly inferior to a 2009 Phenom II. And even in 2009, Intel's Bloomfield CPUs were already better per core, per clock, than the AMD CPUs. They were even better as a whole- despite Intel's chips topping out at 4 cores while AMD had 6 core chips. Now we have Intel's constantly improved chips beating AMD's stale chips @ 4 cores vs 8 cores. And at a slower clockspeed... while producing significantly less heat and putting less stress on the power delivery components of the motherboard.

In essence, the i5 is a 2500CC 4 cylinder engine, and the 8350 is a 1000CC 8 cylinder engine. There's no replacement for displacement.

Raw frequency has meant nothing to performance since like 2000. Up to that point CPUs were similar and simple enough that Joe's CPU at 400Mhz would be faster than Fred's CPU at 266Mhz but that's no longer the case- and even back then there were garbage CPUs like the "Mellenium II" CPUs that, at 300Mhz, couldn't even handle Starcraft while a Pentium II @ 300Mhz could handle it no problem.

This actually concerns the most because I remember playing starcraft on my pentium back then I just felt like intel was the way and the truth. Now reading this thread I almost feel like I have a inferior product and amd is not even comparably equal to intel.

 

[bmacsys]

Sorry, but your 8350 is garbage. It's based on technology from 2011 with no significant changes. That 2011 tech is actually SLOWER (slightly) than their old 2009 tech, so you have a CPU that, per core, per cycle, is actually slightly inferior to a 2009 Phenom II. And even in 2009, Intel's Bloomfield CPUs were already better per core, per clock, than the AMD CPUs. They were even better as a whole- despite Intel's chips topping out at 4 cores while AMD had 6 core chips. Now we have Intel's constantly improved chips beating AMD's stale chips @ 4 cores vs 8 cores. And at a slower clockspeed... while producing significantly less heat and putting less stress on the power delivery components of the motherboard.

In essence, the i5 is a 2500CC 4 cylinder engine, and the 8350 is a 1000CC 8 cylinder engine. There's no replacement for displacement.

Raw frequency has meant nothing to performance since like 2000. Up to that point CPUs were similar and simple enough that Joe's CPU at 400Mhz would be faster than Fred's CPU at 266Mhz but that's no longer the case- and even back then there were garbage CPUs like the "Mellenium II" CPUs that, at 300Mhz, couldn't even handle Starcraft while a Pentium II @ 300Mhz could handle it no problem.

The 8350 isn't garbage. In many instances it can trade blows or best a mid range i5. The 8350 will saturate any single card set up. Add to the fact it is half as expensive as most i5's.

 

[bmacsys]

Sorry, but your 8350 is garbage. It's based on technology from 2011 with no significant changes. That 2011 tech is actually SLOWER (slightly) than their old 2009 tech, so you have a CPU that, per core, per cycle, is actually slightly inferior to a 2009 Phenom II. And even in 2009, Intel's Bloomfield CPUs were already better per core, per clock, than the AMD CPUs. They were even better as a whole- despite Intel's chips topping out at 4 cores while AMD had 6 core chips. Now we have Intel's constantly improved chips beating AMD's stale chips @ 4 cores vs 8 cores. And at a slower clockspeed... while producing significantly less heat and putting less stress on the power delivery components of the motherboard.

In essence, the i5 is a 2500CC 4 cylinder engine, and the 8350 is a 1000CC 8 cylinder engine. There's no replacement for displacement.

Raw frequency has meant nothing to performance since like 2000. Up to that point CPUs were similar and simple enough that Joe's CPU at 400Mhz would be faster than Fred's CPU at 266Mhz but that's no longer the case- and even back then there were garbage CPUs like the "Mellenium II" CPUs that, at 300Mhz, couldn't even handle Starcraft while a Pentium II @ 300Mhz could handle it no problem.

This actually concerns the most because I remember playing starcraft on my pentium back then I just felt like intel was the way and the truth. Now reading this thread I almost feel like I have a inferior product and amd is not even comparably equal to intel.

For every histrionic fan boy such as Mr. Sprinkles you will find fifty satisfied AMD cpu owners.

 

[Karadjgne]

Look at the difference in boards. Entry level h81 usually don't have usb3 headers or ports, limited usb2 heafers, have only 2 fan headers, 1 cpu, 1 system, limited if any better ram capability, no or only 2x sata3 6g headers, basically the entry level h81 boards don't have much in the way of decent expansion or capability. The average 970, on the other hand will have x8,x8 pcie, 4-6x sata3 6g, usb3 ports and header, better audio codecs, better power phases, better mobo cooling solutions on VRM's etc, better all around and by far vrs the entry h81. It'd be like trying to compare a 3750k on entry level z77 vrs i7 5830k on a 2011 x99 deluxe. Really not the same class of board at all.

The processor may be strong, but running 1066 or 1333MHz ram, a downclocked SSD on Sata2 header etc etc etc is just plain gonna suck unless the only thing you are interested in is just games. Cheaper to buy a PS4 in that case.

 

[Karadjgne]

I find it funny, ppl claim fx are junk cuz they are 'old' tech, then justify that by saying they rather have an i5 4460 on a h81 mobo. Now how old is the h81 again?

 

[hftvhftv]

Don't call the AMD chips inferior for gaming. Intel is better, but it costs more. For productivity Intel pwns, and for gaming and streaming, AMD keeps up and is still competitive. As well overclocking is easy and the silicon lottery is less prominent. Plus those people for own their i5s, could have gotten a better GPU if they didn't blow the $300 it cost them on a top tier CPU.

 

[Karadjgne]

Hmm, I know I've got a gtx690 hanging around here somewhere.. Oh wait! I threw that out cuz it's garbage. It's OLD tech. Considering that the gtx 960 is brand new, it must be better.

 

[Karadjgne]

And my 2005 Dodge STATION Wagon will blow the doors off a 2011 350Z. What has age got to do with anything? A 2010 Corsair HX 650 is still a much better psu than a good majority of 2015 650w psus. Again, so it's older tech, so what.

Don't knock the Fx just because they are older tech. They are still damned good cpus that function very well in all categories you can name. Just because Intel is stronger at single thread and consequently a majority of games doesn't mean squat. Benchmarks are the only place that has any meaning. As long as the game is playable, and the owner is happy with what he's got, all is good, matters not if he'd have higher fps with Intel, especially when paired with a decent gpu thats getting over 60fps at detail settings anyways. On a standard, extremely widely used, 60Hz monitor does anyone really give a crap if with Intel they could get 120fps instead of 90?
Only benchmark hunters would give a f. about that.

Last I knew, these forums were all about giving the OP the best answer/solution to the question, be it advice, recommendations, solutions or knowledge.
Personally I think telling OP that AMD is garbage because it's old tech and not as good at games as Intel is BS. Next you'll be spouting that because my cpu is Ivy-Bridge, my gpu a 660ti, I should junk them cuz they are OLD tech. Crackhead? I've been tinkering/building/repairing pc's since the days of the Vic20 and Commodore 64. Go back to school son. You might just learn something of value.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Motherboard: Asus H81T/CSM Thin Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $79.99
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NOT all H81 boards come with a minimum of 2/2 Sata 2/3 headers, I'd say this Asus board falls considerably short of being acceptable for your average pc, and at $80 is not exactly on the cheap entry level either.

In BF4 multi-player, the 8350 is beaten only by 2 other cpus, the OC 4770k/4790k i7+HT, or the 6core 2011 i7's. Considering the 8350's overall price tag, its still considerably less than either of those 2, garbage right?

 

[momca121212]

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