Why is the i3 always overlooked and underestimated?

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Whenever ANYONE is talking about building a gaming rig, everyone jumps straight to the i5's and i7's. Nobody every even considers i3's. And when people want a budget build, everyone directly jumps to the Pentium anniversary and AMD FX processors. Why are they so overlooked? My system has an i3, and I have NEVER been able to lag it, I can do anything you can imagine and it keeps going strong. The integrated graphics, of course, can lose a lot of framerate on more intensive games, but for integrated graphics they really pack a lot of power. So why are i3's so overlooked? They cost about the same as budget FX CPU's, they beat out the Pentium anniversary (NOTE: Any i3 with a U, T or any other letter at the end doesn't count, I'm talking about REAL i3's not laptop power saving ones) so why aren't they ever considered?
 


It's an 80% increase in price, i5's are around $200, i3's are just over $100.
 


You're doing several things wrong here.

1. You're comparing a 65W CPU to two 95W CPUs and even higher
2. You're assuming an i3 can't be unlocked (Intel could easily do this)
3. You're assuming that the only people that buy a computer are gamers
3.5. If that were true it would only emphasize the point that the i5 only fits a certain niche (gamers)
 

In my country i3 costs 9000 while i5 cost 12000 (4160 vs 4460). Asian rates are different.

 
I'm not doing anything wrong, I was strictly comparing hardware to existing price points. Whether intel 'could' unlock the i3 is irrelevant, an unlocked i3 doesn't exist. I wasn't assuming anyone was only gaming. The i5 easily fills a niche, it offers nearly the i7 performance for 2/3 the cost. If the i3 fits your specific needs that's fantastic, but it's a budget chip and has its place. If anything gaming is one of the i3's stronger suits, try video editing on one. Try rendering images in content creation programs.

The point is that the i5 is an incredibly capable quad core, I don't see how a $100 price premium is worth ht and 2mb cache. That's pittance compared to the $150 price premium for the 5820k that actually nets the user 2 physical cores, 4 additional threads, 15mb cache and is still an unlocked chip. If someone is going to suggest the i3 is enough for their needs, they may as well stop looking and discount/discredit the rest of intel's entire lineup. It doesn't make much sense really.

Whoever thinks an i5 is 'only' a gaming chip has obviously never used one and knows little about the capabilities. Not sure where that rumor began. Is an i7 4790k faster at video editing? Sure. Does it cost 50% more? Absolutely. Are there stronger cpu's out there that can beat the 4790k at a higher price yet? Yep.

Take a look at handbrake encoding. The 3.5ghz haswell i3 4330 ($130) takes 852s to transcode the video in this test. The i5 4690 (stock) at 3.5ghz (3.9 turbo) takes 476s to process the same test. A 44% performance improvement. The 4790k (stock) did the same transcoding in 364s, only a 23% improvement while costing an additional $100. Now tell me which $100 price jump is netting the user more performance, 44% or 23%? The only reason the 4790k came out that far ahead was clock speed out of the box. The similar 3.6ghz speed of the locked 4790 scored the same test in 405s, only 15% thanks to ht and additional 2mb cache over the i5.

The 4690k can be oc'd to the same speeds as the 4790k out of the box which narrows the gap even further. The i3 not only doesn't oc, it doesn't have turbo boost either. That 'niche' gaming cpu which literally falls at the midpoint in pricing between the i3 and i7 performs much closer to the i7. Regarding video transcoding, which has nothing to do with gaming.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2015/-25-Handbrake,3716.html

3ds max? The i3 is once again lagging behind while the i5 is keeping closer company to the i7's.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2015/-22-3DS-Max-2013,3713.html

Tdp is irrelevant as well, it's not a thermal comparison it's raw hardware for the price comparison regarding i3's to i5's to i7's.

As I mentioned before, if it's for business use, budget gaming, surfing the web, youtube, emails and other low taxing scenarios the i3 is a great budget option. For people who need more power from their cpu the i5 absolutely has a spot as do all the cpu's. I won't disregard that a 4790k offers more performance, it just doesn't offer enough extra features/performance for the $100 price jump in my opinion. If I'd had a justifiable need for more processing power, skipping the 4790k and moving to the 5820k makes more sense.

I have a feeling there are a lot of 'assumptions' being made, but not by me. If an i3 did have a k series, how exactly would it blow away an i5? It's still a dual core cpu no matter which way you spin it. In price maybe, not in performance.

Definitely agree that the 5930k is a rough price point, as is the 5960x. Performance benefits and hardware improvements over models lower in the list are minimal compare to the additional cost but they have literally no competition and like all things luxury, options cost money.
 
Intel have always over saturated their consumer desktop range with way too many variations of the same CPU IMO.

Haswell & ivy bridge before could have consisted entirely of a single non ht-dualcore , a single i3 with ht, a locked and unlocked i5 ,a locked & unlocked i7.this would gave streamlined the manufacturing process & they could have knocked $20-30 off the prices this way.
Its baffling for a novice first time builder looking for an haswell build with the range currently available - they look to have streamlined the skylake range a lot which to me is a good thing..
 


Dont worry, more unneeded skylake cpus are coming, with the same fiasco as before.
 
@Synphul (sorry can't quote on mobile)

You lost me at handbrake encoding......... Don't even know what that is......

Anyways, you just proved my point. The i3 4170 is $114, the i5 is $230...... Twice the price..... It doesn't have twice the performance......
And the i3 is superior to the Pentium in price and performance, so I don't get why the Pentium is suggested and the i3 isn't.
 
^ it absolutely does have twice the performance with any app that is capable of saturating the cores 100%. (Any heavy duty encoding/rendering software)

In this scenario the ht on the i3 does absolutely
nothing - it can even impact performance negatively at times.

In the same scenario the Pentium will match an i3 at the same clock speed as only the true cores count not the artificial ones.
 
Yes, applications that make use of 4 or more cores will perform better with an i5 than an i3. However the majority of applications do not. Professionals that do large-data compiling, video editing, rendering, MATLAB, etc, can make use of these extra threads. Most people do not.

i3: Home / Small Business PC
i5: (Video Games?) or almost an i7 on a budget
i7: Professional use

Hence the i5 fills a weird niche between people that want performance but don't want to spend the money for it or gamers trying to squeeze that last 5 FPS out of their system at any cost.
 


I dunno mate ,opinions differ but that statement above to me is what essentially describes the i3 not the i5
 


Exactly. If you had a justifiable need for more processing power the i7 is the better choice. The 5820k is a 140W CPU and a different socket-type so it's irrelevant to this discussion.

I own a 3570k that boosts to 4.4Ghz under 1.3v just like a 4790k, I've had it stable as high as 4.6. It's great, but it's the last i5 I'll ever buy and I'd take an i3-4170 over it any day.
 


I do agree with that comment 100% though,the i3 is a good chip make no mistake - the pentium to me though is clearly not - its got its reputation solely on the fact you can overclock it which to me is a joke.
Ive been in the pc game long enough to remember when all cpu's were either unlocked or could be manually unlocked by tinkering

 


I dont believe that statement for a minute - if you mean it youre downright crazy!! :pt1cable:

 


Or maybe you're the crazy one! I'd rather have a low-TDP, low heat, turbo'd CPU for desktop use. The only 4T applications I really have are IDA Pro / Visual Studio and potentially high-resolution streaming, all of which hyper-threading can handle.

If for some reason I had a need for more threads I would get an i7 because it has the same thermal design as an i5 and you get more. More what? Threads. Which is the reason I'd be considering either!
 
So the rationale of the i3 being better is simply because you have no need for more cpu processing horsepower? Hmm. Considering it sounds like the only things you do are light weight processing it stands to reason an i3 seems perfectly suitable for you, and it is. No argument there, but your situation isn't everyone's. Don't come at a professional mechanic talking about how their wide variety of comparatively expensive tools seems pointless just because all you do is swap a wheel on your bicycle once in awhile and therefor the $14.99 gift set you found by some no name brand import is all anyone really needs. You'll be seriously laughed at.

You assume an i7 is for professional use, yet I use an i5 for professional work and it suits my needs just fine. Assumptions will get people into trouble every time. The 5820k isn't irrelevant, it's a perfectly viable choice and part of intel's current lineup. You'll dismiss the 5820k that actually exists, but argue about a fictional fairytale ht enabled i3? I'm sort of confused.

As the benchmarks I listed pointed out, the i5 is much much closer to performing like an i7. You're right, an i5 costs twice what an i3 does. It's also twice the processor. Why pay 3 times the price of an i3 to get barely 15-20% more performance than a processor just twice the cost? At the end of the day, what's $100 in a system build price? A system easily lasts people years and I can't say I've ever regretted a purchase 2-3yrs down the line. Never once have I said wow, remember back in 2013 when I spent an extra $20 on that dvd player - that just ruined my life. What someone will notice is the lack of performance during those 2-3yrs.

It's not bashing on people who have bought i7's, they still ended up with a great cpu. Hyperthreading is hit and miss and when it works is a moderate improvement and not worth a 50% price hike in my opinion. Not when it puts me only $50 away from real improvements like 2 additional physical cores and 15mb cache along with quad channel memory. At least then there's something for the money.

I'd agree that there are an overwhelming amount of choices, but so long as intel is willing to go to the trouble, they offer something for everyone. The same could be said about amd. Do they really need an 8300, 8310, 8320, 8350, 8370, 9570, 9590? I'd rather have too many choices than too few and it's no skin off my back.

Low tdp is low heat, they're the same thing. When it comes to 'low power', it would depend on the cpu model to get an accurate comparison. For instance the i3 4130 is a 54w tdp chip while the 4690k is an 88w tdp chip. Yet power consumption between the two differ by only 11w under stock load. The i3 consumes 98w and the 4690k (stock) consumes 109w. Funny you mention the 3570k, since at stock it consumes 125w of power. So much for being a low power chip. At idle the i5 4690k consumes 48w vs the i3 4130 at 63w. Again i3 loses. The 3570k by the way consumes 90w at idle.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2014/07/03/intel-core-i5-4690k-review/6

Of course tdp (heat) will be a bit different, the i3 is literally half the processor yet the i5/i7's don't have twice the tdp as the i3. Instead roughly 50% more despite having twice the cores (heat sources). It's an insignificant amount really and will have little impact on cooling or ambient room temps.

You're right, you do get more with an i7. A smidge more for 50% more cost. It's a relatively poor value but that's the beauty of choice, people can select whichever they want. Ht on a quad core cpu isn't near the same benefit it is on a dual core cpu because they're just not struggling that hard in the first place. You have x amount of programs which run on 1-2 cores, y amount that run on up to 4 cores and z amount that make use of more than 4 threads. Since the processing requirements are slowly becoming more intensive, a dual core with only 2t is finding it harder to keep up and the additional threads help quite a bit - in that case. Threading (ht) is still no substitute for physical cores. The benchmarks I provided earlier proved that as both the i3 and i5 are processing up to 4t and yet the i3 is suffering from lack of processing power. A direct result of being a dual core cpu.

The pentium in my opinion is a novelty. The equivalent of buying a cpu in one of those plastic bubbles out of a quarter machine, great for tinkering sort of like a raspberry pi. The g3258 is a $65 chip, what do people want? It does offer overclocking which is a bonus, it's something for people to mess with. For people who have never oc'd before, it's a great option to test on. I'd rather burn a $65 chip than a $230/$330 chip. Being that it was an anniversary edition, it was clear that it was a modern day throwback to the old original pentiums and more of a nostalgic thing. Intel didn't produce it to be a serious contender, if they had it would be priced like the rest of their lineup. It's also a cheap option that would be great for a kid's first pc, if you had a kid looking to get into computers it's at a price that's attainable to just about everyone and you don't have to dump a fortune on it. On top of it, it doesn't do half bad all things considered.


 


For a LOT of uses, the cheaper Pentium line is just fine. It works well in my wife's PC. Facebook and email.
It works fine in my HTPC/house server (G840). Playing movies/music, and house storage.

For those boxes, even an i3 is a bit overkill and overpriced.
 
It does do really well, especially considering the price. It wouldn't be my first go-to for heavy tasks like video encoding but people should realize its limitations. For those tasks it is a good choice and at half the price of an i3 hard to beat it. Not everyone needs to do heavy rendering or anything, in which case something like an i3/i5+ will not only cost more but waste a good chunk of its performance idling. Even a pc used mainly for web browsing idles the majority of the time while someone is on it using it. I think intel did what they set out to do, a usable chip that's dirt cheap and homage to the older pentiums.

It wouldn't be my first suggestion for intense gaming maybe, or like I said video editing or other heavy tasks but again what do people want for the price? The right tool for the right job still applies. So long as it suffices for the tasks required, anything above and beyond is overkill and unrealized potential. Same goes for the i3 vs quad core cpu's. It's more about matching the users needs to determine which is the better fit. A more powerful cpu for your wife's pc would indeed be overkill and an i7 wouldn't make a better cpu in that case.

It's hard based on the users here at the forums, you have some folks who do intense video work and need massive hardware. You have some who primarily game and don't do much else, and then you have some who just do office type tasks, word programs, web surfing etc. They see a discussion between power users about how an i7 is needed, then they doubt whether an i5 will be enough when in reality an i3 or pentium g would serve them just as well.

Just because a mechanic working 50hrs a week needs a large toolbox loaded with thousands worth of snappy tools, doesn't mean the average person looking to change their own oil needs all that. There's a difference between rotating the tires once every 6mo and doing 40 tire rotations in a week. One person would have to dust off that impact wrench every time they used it, the other hardly ever sets it down long enough to collect dust. Hard to recommend an overkill setup to the average person, they'd spend in tools alone what a whole new set of tires would cost them (and then some).

I like the choices even if there seems to be an overwhelming amount. More chances for people to find what fits their needs than be forced to choose between not enough and overkill with a significant price jump for lack of choices.
 
It really boils down to what you use it for on a daily basis. Most general users an i3 would be totally fine but that's for general use, you're not going to pair it with a $500 graphics card and expect the same performance as you would from a more expensive i5. On the video editing front, again you are not going to expect rendering and encoding times to be the same on a dual core with hyper threads vs a true quad core or a true quadcore with hyper threading. Everyone uses them for different things and each has its place.

Difference between unlocked i5 and i7 performance is not that much, the reason I bought i7 is more for down the road with the extra hyper threading ability and the fact I can choose to run it stock at 4 ghz with 4.2 Ghz on all 4 cores if I didn't want to overclock. Those things to me are worth the extra $100 because I wasn't on a budget but if I was, then I would go for either xeon or an unlocked I5 to cover both editing and gaming. Again it's all in what you're using it for.
 


You must be drunk. I will trade you my 4370 for your i5 right now.
 
How many people in this thread actually have an i3 and use it on a regular basis?
I'm typing on one right now, and it works appropriately for most tasks, and can exceed expectations.
It records gameplay pretty decently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a56A9UIEH4Q
It can play the latest games:
Witcher 3: Settings: Mix of Ultra and high, see pic Avg: 40-45
GTA V: Settings: high/very high Avg: 53-65

If you're looking to become a PC-gamer, a $550ish i3 system is where to start.
 


I have an i3 4370 with an r9 270x(microcenter 4370 was a deal), been using it every single day since nov 23 of last year. High - Max settings 1080p 60 fps. Records just fine using quick sync but struggles with h.264 cpu encoding for obvious reasons.