wierd lag with gtx 770

[jason katsou]

since the time i bought my gtx 770 asus dcu ii i see a wierd lag(like i am playing in 29 fps) when fps goes between 40s and 50s...i tried to record a video while playing bf4(campaign+i also tested other games as well) and when my fps went under 50s it was still stuttering.but when i saw my recorded video it was really smoth and fine...Whats wrong??
my system
i5 4670
asus h87m-e
8gbs ram 1600mhz
500gb caviar black(games are installed there)
500gb old barracuda
psu evga 600b
windows 7 64bit

 

[Brantyn Gerik]

1. make sure you have up to date drivers
2. try enableing and disabling v-sync to see if this helps


What it sounds like is that you are dropping just below the 60 mark for v-sync, and so it changes on and off, causing the stuttering you are seeing

 

[jason katsou]

1. make sure you have up to date drivers
2. try enableing and disabling v-sync to see if this helps


What it sounds like is that you are dropping just below the 60 mark for v-sync, and so it changes on and off, causing the stuttering you are seeing

i have the newest drivers!!!let me ask you something else.is it normal to reach lowest 37 fps on campaign on ultra settings 1080p msaa 4x???

 

[Brantyn Gerik]

Yes, very normal, as your card is powerful, but it's not THAT powerful 😛 especially with the msaa 4x

 

[jason katsou]

Yes, very normal, as your card is powerful, but it's not THAT powerful 😛 especially with the msaa 4x

but it is on campaign!!!!what will happen if i go multiplayer???i have seen several people on youtube with the "same"system as mine and they get decent fps...only in windows 8.1...

 

[Brantyn Gerik]

Typically they aren't actually using 4x msaa, and are likely down to fxaa...4xmsaa is extrememly gpu taxing

 

[jason katsou]

Typically they aren't actually using 4x msaa, and are likely down to fxaa...4xmsaa is extrememly gpu taxing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwNg1NUQGPo the lowest he has is 50s on multiplayer on windows 8.1..i cant test multiplayer because i havent bought the game yet(a friend gave me the singleplayer)but will i have more fps than campaign???

 

[barto]

There are quite a few discussions about the Nvidia cards (particularly the 770) experiencing frame rate drops. Some of the possible reasons for the frame rate drops are: W7 vs W8 (W8 being more stable); 2GB VRAM not enough; Poor optimization of BF4.

You shouldn't have low frames in single player. It's pretty much scripted so performance shouldn't vary. Multiplayer isn't. BF4 has a very intense environment.

Also, the latest drivers don't have any improvements over the 331.82 for single card performance. You can read the release notes.

I have frames that go from 50-90 which is a huge spread. I haven't sat down and tried tweaking to stop the frame drops. But you can simply google and read what others are saying.

 

[jason katsou]

There are quite a few discussions about the Nvidia cards (particularly the 770) experiencing frame rate drops. Some of the possible reasons for the frame rate drops are: W7 vs W8 (W8 being more stable); 2GB VRAM not enough; Poor optimization of BF4.

You shouldn't have low frames in single player. It's pretty much scripted so performance shouldn't vary. Multiplayer isn't. BF4 has a very intense environment.

Also, the latest drivers don't have any improvements over the 331.82 for single card performance. You can read the release notes.

I have frames that go from 50-90 which is a huge spread. I haven't sat down and tried tweaking to stop the frame drops. But you can simply google and read what others are saying.

how many fps do you get on bf4...i dont experience this only in bf4 and also on other games...when i touch 45-49 fps tha game looks like it runs on 26 or so....thats what i mean!!!i recorded it and the lag wasnt visible and all seemed smooth!!!

 

[barto]

If you are seeing the frame drops in all games, than Brantyn was right. Something else is wrong. I average 70 FPS on BF4 @ 1080 Ultra with MSAA x4.

 

[jason katsou]

I have done some benchmark (unreal vallay) extreme 1080p and my average fps was 47...isn't I normal?my card isn't overclocked

 

[Brantyn Gerik]

you should should be able to get at least 50 fps on valley on that card. Make sure you have proper airflow, that your temps are managable.

a suggestion may be to try a different psu (borrow one if possible so you don't have to buy one) Like i said, if you want accurate fps readings, turn OFF v-sync to start

 

[jason katsou]

you should should be able to get at least 50 fps on valley on that card. Make sure you have proper airflow, that your temps are managable.

a suggestion may be to try a different psu (borrow one if possible so you don't have to buy one) Like i said, if you want accurate fps readings, turn OFF v-sync to start

It is not the psu my friend.i had a cm 500w and I changed to this evga 600b 49A and there is not a difference on performance...remember that my card is not over clocked...i have seen people who have same fps as me on valley

 

[Brantyn Gerik]

Ok, my only reference was that i had a reference 680, (essentially a 770) and consistently got 54 fps on valley extreme hd 1080p preset.

Your psu is indeed adequate, but parts fail and degrade, and a surprisingly common cause of stuttering is a bad psu. It's uncommon, but just another thing to try once other solutions have been tried and failed.

 

[jason katsou]

I bought that psu 6 days ago...I don't think it's it's fault...

 

[jason katsou]

I bought that psu 6 days ago...I don't think it's it's fault...I have seen several people on the enternet that experience the same thing with quality 750w psus and so...

 

[Brantyn Gerik]

Yes, but bad parts do happen, and so it should not be totally discounted as a source of error (it's just a slightly lower chance than other parts)

 

[jason katsou]

There is no way changing psu again...I just think I should make some changes in the nvidia control panel...some one who has the Same problem as mine(gtx 580)said that he turned v sync on and thriple buffering on from the control panel and some how the stutter stopped...I haven't tried it yet but I hope it will work!

 

[apcs13]

I myself have experienced issues with Battlefield 4 on my GTX 770, but usually on ultra settings I do get around 60 FPS. While it does tend to dip below more than most other games, I still never see anything below 40 really. However it is really annoying how it happens like that. I think it is due most likely to both Battlefield 4 being marketed towards AMD GPU's (more affordable 3GB graphics cards) or poor optimization of the game. While I can run Battlefield 3 no sweat all ultra settings at 70+ FPS and 1350 MB VRAM max being used, for some reason Battlefield 4 has FPS spikes frequently and the VRAM usage is around 1600-1850 and I see no reason for it. Performance issues could be due to not enough video memory, but I think 2GB should be enough for 1080p for at least a few more years, as the other most intense games on the market do not even use close to 2GB yet. I think it's mostly a marketing play. After all, the recommended GPU's for BF4, the 7870 and the 660, only have 2GB video ram , which doesn't make sense, how can you recommend a video card with 2GB VRAM but also recommend 3GB VRAM? Strange to me....

 

[slimething]

Typically they aren't actually using 4x msaa, and are likely down to fxaa...4xmsaa is extrememly gpu taxing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwNg1NUQGPo the lowest he has is 50s on multiplayer on windows 8.1..i cant test multiplayer because i havent bought the game yet(a friend gave me the singleplayer)but will i have more fps than campaign???

Any of the early videos and benchmarks are not very reliable. In fact, none may be.
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2955064768159361567/

This guy is also running a GTX 770.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GMTXpmrIEI

(FPS Without Fraps)
Min FPS-39 Average FPS-56 Max FPS-75

That's closer to reality.

 

[Pedge]

I am running the same GPU as OP and have pretty much constant 60fps (I have capped it ingame with a config file) with Ultra Settings, 4x MSAA and even 120 FOV which taxes a bit more.
I use the ingame counter which I obviously can't look at constantly but whenever I do it's on 60. When it was not capped I got up to 120 (standing still with nothing else on screen mind), but floated around 75fps.
Although I am running W8.1 which apparently can gain up to 10fps on W7 because it's optimised. (All in MP)

Try MP and see if it dips below 50fps still, I reckon it should be 50+ breaking 60 even on W7.

Side-note: Is there anyway to track my FPS in a log of some sort? Then I can see if it dips in intense situations. Most of my dips occur in the menus down to 45fps haha, but only for a second or two.

 

[apcs13]

I am running the same GPU as OP and have pretty much constant 60fps (I have capped it ingame with a config file) with Ultra Settings, 4x MSAA and even 120 FOV which taxes a bit more.
I use the ingame counter which I obviously can't look at constantly but whenever I do it's on 60. When it was not capped I got up to 120 (standing still with nothing else on screen mind), but floated around 75fps.
Although I am running W8.1 which apparently can gain up to 10fps on W7 because it's optimised. (All in MP)

Try MP and see if it dips below 50fps still, I reckon it should be 50+ breaking 60 even on W7.

Side-note: Is there anyway to track my FPS in a log of some sort? Then I can see if it dips in intense situations. Most of my dips occur in the menus down to 45fps haha, but only for a second or two.

I should try upgrading to 8.1, but I just built my rig and went with a fresh copy of 7 because I heard that Windows 8 was atrocious (seems now I was mislead). I usually see around 60 fps or better, in fact some maps is rarely even dips into the 60's at all (Rogue Transmission is one of those maps), but in some cases I get frequent dips into the 45 fps range, and it's really annoying when it dives from 60-45-60-45. Do you think a Win 8 update would solve that? Not gonna do it until maybe a year so I can get a SSD and install it on, but still. If you would like to keep track of your framerates in-game and benchmark yourself, you can run the Benchmarking tool within FRAPS.

 

[barto]

Side-note: Is there anyway to track my FPS in a log of some sort? Then I can see if it dips in intense situations. Most of my dips occur in the menus down to 45fps haha, but only for a second or two.

Download Fraps (free version). You can turn on benchmarking that will record the min, max, and average for 60 seconds or when you turn it off by hot key.

 

[jason katsou]

I myself have experienced issues with Battlefield 4 on my GTX 770, but usually on ultra settings I do get around 60 FPS. While it does tend to dip below more than most other games, I still never see anything below 40 really. However it is really annoying how it happens like that. I think it is due most likely to both Battlefield 4 being marketed towards AMD GPU's (more affordable 3GB graphics cards) or poor optimization of the game. While I can run Battlefield 3 no sweat all ultra settings at 70+ FPS and 1350 MB VRAM max being used, for some reason Battlefield 4 has FPS spikes frequently and the VRAM usage is around 1600-1850 and I see no reason for it. Performance issues could be due to not enough video memory, but I think 2GB should be enough for 1080p for at least a few more years, as the other most intense games on the market do not even use close to 2GB yet. I think it's mostly a marketing play. After all, the recommended GPU's for BF4, the 7870 and the 660, only have 2GB video ram , which doesn't make sense, how can you recommend a video card with 2GB VRAM but also recommend 3GB VRAM? Strange to me....

Typically they aren't actually using 4x msaa, and are likely down to fxaa...4xmsaa is extrememly gpu taxing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwNg1NUQGPo the lowest he has is 50s on multiplayer on windows 8.1..i cant test multiplayer because i havent bought the game yet(a friend gave me the singleplayer)but will i have more fps than campaign???

Any of the early videos and benchmarks are not very reliable. In fact, none may be.
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2955064768159361567/

This guy is also running a GTX 770.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GMTXpmrIEI

(FPS Without Fraps)
Min FPS-39 Average FPS-56 Max FPS-75

That's closer to reality.

I am running the same GPU as OP and have pretty much constant 60fps (I have capped it ingame with a config file) with Ultra Settings, 4x MSAA and even 120 FOV which taxes a bit more.
I use the ingame counter which I obviously can't look at constantly but whenever I do it's on 60. When it was not capped I got up to 120 (standing still with nothing else on screen mind), but floated around 75fps.
Although I am running W8.1 which apparently can gain up to 10fps on W7 because it's optimised. (All in MP)

Try MP and see if it dips below 50fps still, I reckon it should be 50+ breaking 60 even on W7.

Side-note: Is there anyway to track my FPS in a log of some sort? Then I can see if it dips in intense situations. Most of my dips occur in the menus down to 45fps haha, but only for a second or two.

I Unfortunately haven't the mp yet because a friend of mine gave the campaign to me ;D...does the game have different versions because I guess I have the first one.does it make any difference?...in addition in ac black flag I don't drop below 43 fps with ultra settings txaa 2x and god rays LOW.i guess it's ok...

 

[Pedge]

I ran fraps for 5 minutes yesterday when I was in a game and got
Min: 51 Max: 107 Avg: 68
I can't remember if I died within that time, but as I said before I get drops in the death menus.
I will run again later today and try stopping when I die to rule out those dips which in all honesty don't matter.
Again it's optimised for W8.1 so -10 frames from my Avg is what you might see on W7. Yet to try campaign, so cannot say whether that's lower or not, I'll do that at some point later today too.