Will a AMD Phenom II x4 965 BE Bottleneck a R9 920?

[jimmycooper16]

I want to upgrade my graphics card but i think i may be upgrading too much, i have overclocked the CPU to 4.0GHz

 

[JD88]

It all depends on the game. Some will bottleneck but others won't. Most newer multiplayer first person shotters are going to be CPU bottlenecked by the 965.

 

[jimmycooper16]

I'm thinking an R9 270X might be a better fit for your CPU.

I think i will buy the r9 290 and upgrade the CPU as soon as possible. I have no idea how it will run. Do you think it will be a noticeable difference from upgrading from a Sapphire Radeon 6870 1GB ?

 

[jimmycooper16]

Got the 920, CPU is bottlenecking. I will upgrade later.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/1783174?

 

[Avro Arrow]

I cannot believe some people. You talk as if you have some clue when all you're doing is parroting some crap that some troll said in a Forum. I swear, bottlenecking is the new boogeyman. Everyone's afraid of it ad it doesn't even really exis. It was probably some stupid buzzword from an Intel sales rep. Modern multiplayer first-person shooter? Can you get more modern than Battlefield 4? I only ask because the Phenom II X4 980 at 3.7GHz (slower than yourCPU) bottlenecks Battlefield 4 by a phenomenal 3fps compared to the i7-4960X Extreme. Wow, what an incredible difference!:

Sometimes I wonder which orifice people pull their "facts" out of.

 

[Arcaias]

I cannot believe some people. You talk as if you have some clue when all you're doing is parroting some crap that some troll said in a Forum. I swear, bottlenecking is the new boogeyman. Everyone's afraid of it ad it doesn't even really exis. It was probably some stupid buzzword from an Intel sales rep. Modern multiplayer first-person shooter? Can you get more modern than Battlefield 4? I only ask because the Phenom II X4 980 at 3.7GHz (slower than yourCPU) bottlenecks Battlefield 4 by a phenomenal 3fps compared to the i7-4960X Extreme. Wow, what an incredible difference!:

Sometimes I wonder which orifice people pull their "facts" out of.

I have a 965BE and I want to get a new card. What about 1440p gaming? Do bottlenecks show up at higher resolutions?

How do you know those benchmarks are from multiplayer gameplay?

 

[Avro Arrow]

The only way to know for sure is to try it out and see. Everybody has different expectations as to what is good and what is bad. When I played Arkham Asylum and Arkham City, I did it with a Phenom II X4 965 (not OC) and twin Radeon HD 4870s in crossfire. I had no issues, the game was perfectly playable and I enjoyed it immensely. Only you will know if it gives you problems.

 

[JD88]

I cannot believe some people. You talk as if you have some clue when all you're doing is parroting some crap that some troll said in a Forum. I swear, bottlenecking is the new boogeyman. Everyone's afraid of it ad it doesn't even really exis. It was probably some stupid buzzword from an Intel sales rep. Modern multiplayer first-person shooter? Can you get more modern than Battlefield 4? I only ask because the Phenom II X4 980 at 3.7GHz (slower than yourCPU) bottlenecks Battlefield 4 by a phenomenal 3fps compared to the i7-4960X Extreme. Wow, what an incredible difference!:

Sometimes I wonder which orifice people pull their "facts" out of.

This is nonsense. What you're talking about are single player Benchmarks. If you honestly believe the difference in BF4 multiplayer between a 5 year old Phenom II and i7-4960X is 3 FPS, you're living in AMD fanboy dreamland. It's kinda like all those people who try saying the FX 8350 is somehow good simply because it keeps up with the now 3 year old 2500K in single player benchmarks, only to find it chokes on big multiplayer maps with a lot going on. AMD is (admittedly) done in the performance desktop market.

 

[rmpumper]

Sometimes I wonder which orifice people pull their "facts" out of.

I do too:

 

[Kosvas]

I want to upgrade my graphics card but i think i may be upgrading too much, i have overclocked the CPU to 4.0GHz

I have the same CPU runnig 3.6GHz with more powerfull GTX 780. No problems at all. This CPU have a very good gaming performance like new 8 cores AMD CPU's at the same clocks. So you do not need to overclock it to 4.0Ghz, it is more than enough.
Only need to turn of any power save features in BIOS like AMD Cool'n'Quite.

 

[Equilibrio]

You're running it at 4.0 ghz, you aren't "bottlenecking".

 

[maxalge]

You're running it at 4.0 ghz, you aren't "bottlenecking".

It takes a 5ghz 8350 to match a stock 4670k on a gtx 780 or 290x.

So yeah even at 4ghz that 965 is not going to drive a gtx 780 or a 290x effectively to it's full potential.

@Kosvas that benchmark that rmpumper posted says different, you are wasting your 780 on that cpu.

 

[Kosvas]

@Kosvas that benchmark that rmpumper posted says different, you are wasting your 780 on that cpu.

3 days ago I've changed my motherboard and CPU for over reasons. Now I'm running Xeon E3-1240V3 with the same Gigabyte GTX 780 Ghz Edition.
3DMark 11 graphical score is the same, battlefield 4 FPS also the same.
So now I can truthfully say, that Phenom II 955 at 3.6 Ghz wasn't botlleneck at all.

If I have some time on this week will make video with benchmarks ang gameplay on these two platforms.

 

[maxalge]

@Kosvas that benchmark that rmpumper posted says different, you are wasting your 780 on that cpu.

3 days ago I've changed my motherboard and CPU for over reasons. Now I'm running Xeon E3-1240V3 with the same Gigabyte GTX 780 Ghz Edition.
3DMark 11 graphical score is the same, battlefield 4 FPS also the same.
So now I can truthfully say, that Phenom II 955 at 3.6 Ghz wasn't botlleneck at all.

If I have some time on this week will make video with benchmarks ang gameplay on these two platforms.

Back when I had a 1055t @ 3.8 ghz, I updated to a 7950 to specifically play far cry 3.

I tried to get it to run smoothly, but no matter what kinda tweaks I did it was so damn rough running.
Horrible frame times, not smooth at all.

I updated to the system I have now, and I could run that game locked at 75fps all day long. Smooth as silk.

The 1055t @ 3.8ghz is not so far from a 965 @3.6ghz.

For their day they were great cpu's, don't get me wrong.

But they are just not up to the task anymore.

And I'm kinda wondering if your system is having issues if you are seeing no gains with such a jump in cpu...

 

[Rationale]

And I'm kinda wondering if your system is having issues if you are seeing no gains with such a jump in cpu...

A PSU not supplying enough power to the GPU, perhaps?

I know bottlenecks are a thing. The people who say they aren't, against virtually every benchmark, are odd.
My CPU hits 98-99% in Far Cry 3 almost constantly and my framerate dives to barely above 30 fps even when my GPU is at 60-70% load. That's a perfect example of a bottleneck.

 

[Jeremy Woodruff]

I'm thinking an R9 270X might be a better fit for your CPU.

I think i will buy the r9 290 and upgrade the CPU as soon as possible. I have no idea how it will run. Do you think it will be a noticeable difference from upgrading from a Sapphire Radeon 6870 1GB ?

My firestrike score is identical with a Phenom 2 x4 @ 3.7Ghz paired with a stock reference 290X. It really seems the CPU is limiting the potential.

 

[jeffredo]

I cannot believe some people. You talk as if you have some clue when all you're doing is parroting some crap that some troll said in a Forum. I swear, bottlenecking is the new boogeyman. Everyone's afraid of it ad it doesn't even really exis. It was probably some stupid buzzword from an Intel sales rep. Modern multiplayer first-person shooter? Can you get more modern than Battlefield 4? I only ask because the Phenom II X4 980 at 3.7GHz (slower than yourCPU) bottlenecks Battlefield 4 by a phenomenal 3fps compared to the i7-4960X Extreme. Wow, what an incredible difference!:
Sometimes I wonder which orifice people pull their "facts" out of.

You cherry pick one game and one review that "may" be an outlier to the weakness and age of the Stars architecture of the Deneb and Thuban series and hold it up as gospel that bottlenecking is a figment of everyone's imaginations or an urban legend? There are countless examples to the contrary. Up until a month ago I had a Phenom II X4 980 BE @ 4.0 Ghz in one of my PCs (since handed down to a nephew). Using a GTX 970 (similar in performance to an R9 290 with less CPU driver overhead) it got a full 25% less FPS than a PC with a stock i5-4690k in Fallout 4. Same monitor, same quality settings, swapping the same video card between them. Its not the only one. Watch Dogs, Shadow of Mordor, Witcher 3, WoW Warlords of Draenor - hell, even old Skyrim had similar results. The only video card I could pair with it that was not bottlenecked by it was a GTX 750 Ti. The absolute top video card that remotely made sense with it was a GTX 960 (yes, I've owned all of these including and XFX R9 290 Double Dissipation). So no, its not coming from any orifice. Its coming from personal observation by actually owning the hardware and comparing.