[SOLVED] will my ryzen 5 1600x still work in amd4 motherboard

[mical]

Hi guys and girls.

I just have a quick question, I've got ryzen 5 1600x in my ASRock killer/sli.

I've been offered an Asrock Taichi x470 motherboard for a very cheap price,

My question is will my CPU work on this board if i can do a Bios updated, as I've been told that
I can do, as all AMD sockets are now backwards compatible.

Or will I need to save up for the 2nd gen Ryzen CPU?

I'm hoping in advance for any good comments made to me.

Big MAC

 

[ron2456]

Yes the 1600X will work on the Asrock x470 out of the box, no need for bios updates. But why spend money on the x470? You already have a Good x370 Board which will also support Ryzen 3rd gen with a Bios Update.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Actually, X470 natively supports higher memory speeds, and is a lot friendlier towards higher speed memory profiles and has better compatibility with a broader range of memory modules and IC configurations. Even with the latest bios versions, sometimes X370 and B350 aren't.

X470 also supports storeMI, which none of the other chipsets support. Useful if you have an SSD and HDD and want to see them as a single drive yet retain the speed benefits of the SSD. I don't necessarily recommend using it, but I don't really see an issue with it either. I certainly wouldn't buy a newer board just for that though.

Also, the x370 killer/sli has an 8+4 power phase, while the X470 taichi has a 12+4 power phase, so technically it ought to be a better overclocking board if you are planning to configure an overclock on your CPU.

If none of those benefits hold true for you, it still might be a good decision if the price of the board is low enough since you would then have a second board as a backup plus the Taichi is a moderately better quality board, somewhat higher tiered than the Killer/SLI.

The Taichi also has two more SATA headers than the Killer SLI, and the two M.2 slots on the Taichi support up to x4 Gen3 on the primary M.2 and x4 Gen2 on the secondary while the Killer SLI only supports up to Gen2 x2 on it's secondary M.2 slot. If those are features you care about, they might be worth considering as well.

 

[Darkbreeze]

As per your PM, I'll add this here for others benefit as well as yours. I hope you don't mind that I included your PM to me, but I think it's to everybody's benefit to know the full story on any given scenario because there may be others who come along with nearly identical situations as yours.

Hi Darkbreeze, thanks for your in-depth comments.,regarding this subject.
The Taichi is being sold for 140quid, which is 10quid more than what I paid for my Killer/SLI 14months ago.
I'm getting a new case with USB 3.2 front header, that the Killer does not have.
Most of your comments about the board would benefit me immensely, plus, yes I could use it as a test /spare board
I would like to overclock it a bit in the future, so this may be the way to go.

Ps, Do you have any ideal, what I should clock it to in the future to get a nice stable system?

My components would be.

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro DDR4-3200 288-pin DIMM 16 2x8 GB
MSI - Radeon R9 390 8 GB Video Card
Corsair - H115i RGB PLATINUM 97 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor
ASRock - X470 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard

Your advice would be greatly appreciated.

I can't tell you what you should clock it to, or what settings to use. Nobody can. EVERY single CPU and motherboard are different, and even what one CPU does on one motherboard may not give you the same result as on another one. You have to do the work. No way around it. Sure, you can find a eazy lazy way to do it by setting things just like somebody else did, and hoping it is stable, but without doing the work you really never know.

The fact that you set it to a given set of configuration settings and don't get bluescreens or freezes, or restarts, doesn't even mean the system is "stable". Stability has to be determined through a process of trial and error that involves trying various BIOS configuration settings for clock speed and voltage, plus LLC (Load line calibration) and a variety of other settings can be factors as well such as System agent voltage and your memory controller and memory configuration.

But for the basics, clock frequency and core voltage are supreme. The rest is generally fine tuning to achieve a best result.

Quick and dirty overview of overclocking validation procedure.

Set CPU multiplier and voltage at desired settings in BIOS. Do not use presets or automatic utilities. These will overcompensate on core and other voltages. It is much better to configure most core settings manually, and leave anything left over on auto until a later point in time if wish to come back and tweak settings such as cache (Uncore) frequency, System agent voltage, VCCIO (Internal memory controller) and memory speeds or timings (RAM) AFTER the CPU overclock is fully stable.

Save bios settings (As a new BIOS profile if your bios supports multiple profiles) and exit bios.

Boot into the Windows desktop environment. Download and install Prime95 version 26.6.

Download and install either HWinfo or CoreTemp.

Open HWinfo and run "Sensors only" or open CoreTemp.

Run Prime95 (ONLY version 26.6) and choose the "Small FFT test option". Run this for 15 minutes while monitoring your core/package temperatures to verify that you do not exceed the thermal specifications of your CPU.

(This should be considered to be 80°C for most generations of Intel processor and for current Ryzen CPUs. For older AMD FX and Phenom series, you should use a thermal monitor that has options for "Distance to TJmax" and you want to NOT see distance to TJmax drop below 10°C distance to TJmax. Anything that is MORE than 10°C distance to TJmax is within the allowed thermal envelope.)

IF your CPU passes the thermal compliance test, move on to stability.

Download and install Realbench. Run Realbench and choose the Stress test option. Choose a value from the available memory (RAM) options that is equal to approximately half of your installed memory capacity. If you have 16GB, choose 8GB. If you have 8GB, choose 4GB, etc. Click start and allow the stability test to run for 8 hours. Do not plan to use the system for ANYTHING else while it is running. It will run realistic AVX and handbrake workloads and if it passes 8 hours of testing it is probably about as stable as you can reasonably expect.

If you wish to check stability further you can run 12-24 hours of Prime95 Blend mode or Small FFT.

You do not need to simultaneously run HWinfo or CoreTemp while running Realbench as you should have already performed the thermal compliance test PLUS Realbench will show current CPU temperatures while it is running.

If you run the additional stability test using Prime95 Blend/Small FFT modes for 12-24 hours, you will WANT to also run HWinfo alongside it. Monitor HWinfo periodically to verify that no cores/threads are showing less than 100% usage. If it is, then that worker has errored out and the test should be stopped.

If you find there are errors on ANY of the stability tests including Realbench or Prime95, or any other stress testing utility, you need to make a change in the bios. This could be either dropping the multiplier to a lower factor or increasing the voltage while leaving the multiplier the same. If you change voltage or multiplier at ANY time, you need to start over again at the beginning and verify thermal compliance again.

A more in depth but general guide that is still intended for beginners or those who have had a small amount of experience overclocking can be found here:


*CPU overclocking guide for beginners