Will X2 939 3800+ be faster than CONROE 1.86 GHZ

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Check the link below before you consider any conroe. Another reason why you should wait till all things exposed and truth prevail. I see AM2 platform best choice since it is upgradable to K8L and lot's of manufacturing supports. You hardly see any mobo manufac talking about new Intel's chip. Notice the lack of PATA, problem w/ raids, lack of full GPU (16x and SLI) and the link below says it all. Make one curious how things are shaping up for Intel's new chip. Also Notice how Intel fanboys going to respond to this post. one more reason to be cautious.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=467050
 
Man O man,

This is some funny stuff coming out in a rage.

People forget to look at things from a systems point of view.

Clocks are better, no big cache is better, no Hypertransport is better, no the on board memory controller is better.

You are all right when looking at things from a systems perspective. The AMD X2s performed well because of many of its features integrated into a SPECIFIC architecture.

The Core 2 Duo works well because of its feature also integrated into its SPECIFIC architecture.

Design decisions are made at a system level not as an individual component (or at least they should be).

Each component designed to compliment the next upstream/downstream component.

Clocks are better, no big cache is better, no Hypertransport is better, no the on board memory controller is better.

Cache adds latency, and we've all seen Intels P4 EE
HTT is good, doesnt make the cpu good (Pentium M @ 2.5 takes a A64 @ 2.6 (4000+) in games etc)
Onboard Memory Controller is good, doesnt make the cpu good either

similar deal with Intels ageing fsb - it looks crap with a P4, but P6 tech and conroe on it makes it look... less... bad, intels yet to use AMDs tricks.

where are the benchmarks to support this? if clocks were better then why is intel dropping them way down? if cache causes latency and more is not better then why do they "waste" die space with it? on board memcontroll er takes a whole lot of load off the chipset, and runs the ram more efficiently (less watts)(downside is ddr2 which has funny clockspeeds). Hyper transport is an advanced bridge that was desiged for amds dual core processors. It links both cores at a nearly lossless speed. It functions also as a PCI-e AGP bridge with the rest of the computer. It is, in simple terms, a high bandwidth, igh efficiency Front Side Bus (AMDs (k8) do not have an FSB, they have a memclock which is standard at 200mhz).

FFS THEY ARE DROPPING THEM DOWN AND NOW THERE MORE EFFICENT THEN AMDS CLOCK FOR CLOCK (MORE PERFORMANCE AT LOWER SPEEDS) AND THERE ALSO CAPABLE OF HIGH CLOCKS THAT AMD CANT GET.

Geez

Cache amount and latency and so on - Xeon and original P4-EE benchmarks (with L3 cache) - take a look at em.

What apps? When you play games they are even in 3dmark yonah wins but in mem apps k8 wins they trade blows like the x1800xt and the 7900gt.

Yonah vs A64, same cache and speed, there even and far better off then the P4, its a mobile chip taking on everything.

Pentium M @ 2.5ghz beats a A64 FX @ 2.6ghz

This isnt the first - A Tualatin from years ago was quicker then the AMD (1.26 vs 1.4 AMD).

P6 tech has always owned.
 
Do you read this stuff?

You get a single forum reply at OC and think that it is news?

Welcome to the HORDE!

I feel sorry for you that this is the only FUD you can come up with.

An Engineering Sample "pre-release" might have problems? No way...

You need to change your nick to Gottagetalife!

And I am not a Fanboy of anything and I responded to you that way!! Wow!!

There is a reason 😉
 
Your Nick even stinks of FANBOY! And I hate using that term!!

I can see a whole lot of unbiased information coming from you!!

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Word.



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Check the link below before you consider any conroe. Another reason why you should wait till all things exposed and truth prevail. I see AM2 platform best choice since it is upgradable to K8L and lot's of manufacturing supports. You hardly see any mobo manufac talking about new Intel's chip. Notice the lack of PATA, problem w/ raids, lack of full GPU (16x and SLI) and the link below says it all. Make one curious how things are shaping up for Intel's new chip. Also Notice how Intel fanboys going to respond to this post. one more reason to be cautious.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=467050

Well if you read the liks above, I suppose not everybody here intended to get an engeneering sample of CONROE anyway. So I guess this lonk is useless anyway!!!!
 
Check the link below before you consider any conroe. Another reason why you should wait till all things exposed and truth prevail. I see AM2 platform best choice since it is upgradable to K8L and lot's of manufacturing supports. You hardly see any mobo manufac talking about new Intel's chip. Notice the lack of PATA, problem w/ raids, lack of full GPU (16x and SLI) and the link below says it all. Make one curious how things are shaping up for Intel's new chip. Also Notice how Intel fanboys going to respond to this post. one more reason to be cautious.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=467050

By the way, for those here reading this forum from the beginning. About the information for Microbytes in Montreal, Canada. I went there and THEY DO HAVE CORE2DUO AVAILABLE NOW! The guy I talk to is/was an AMD afficionado, but he told me it (CONROE) really perform like nothing else. He said so after I ask him some question about upcoming ATI and nVidia chipset for socket775 saying I tought I was gonna build my new system around a Core2Duo cpu if it would perform as well as expected! To which he answer: "Ah! It does, believe me!" I tought he was talking about one they had put their hand on but he told me he had it available right now. And then he give me some explaination about how well the system they build for one guy working there perform when they had done some test on it. I can't tell what they did do for test, but he look totall amazed when he explained me. He then recommend me to get this cpu for my new cpu.

How good am I?!?! :wink:

Now, please, if you don't believe me don't feel oblige to start a new thread about it. It's your own right! For those here living in Montreal, I simply hope you already have the "bacon" to get your system now. I could, but it wouldn't be optimal, so I'd better wait. At best, I'll get a better cpu for the same price, but my GPU and memory is gonna be what I want.

I have to say tough they had only E6300, E6400 and E6600 at this store (Montreal east), with E6700 and X6800 only at their central store in Pointe Claire. I don't know if this is for availability reason or for demand reason, since their main store is where their is the most poeple.
 
Fortunately for the Intel fanboys No.
Fortunately, does not make any diference for the non-fanboys. And fortunately it makes PAIN IN THE A$$ for the AMD fanboys like you.
Yes, thank you. Normal people (non-fanboys) will love the Conroe for price/performance. Fanboys will still buy the overpriced A64. Why don't people buy what's best for their money?


@ BaronMatrix

Again, you show us how stupid fanboys are. Especially you. Stupid fanboy.

[g]DIE FANBOY DIE!!!![/g]

Haven't you noticed that since 2001 people have really gotten stupid. They run Corporations into the ground throwing lavish partys, buying $6000 shower curtains (like no one would notice). They go to chat rooms for little girls, and get caught on TV going to meet them for sex. Having shoot-outs in the streets, teachers having sex with students. People driving like complete fools, as if they are the only one's on the road and when they wreck they usually take out someone's whole family. Having Bible toters pushing their beliefs on us and if we disagree we're they want us dead like this is Afganistan.
So you want people to buy what's best for the money..........you expect too much. That would be thinking, and there isn't very much of that going on in this Country today.
How about Anna Nicole Smith going before the Supreme Court, gimme a damn break.
 
do people have nothing better to do then argue over this bs intel vs amd..wth cares buy whats better for you..lmfao
 
Man O man,

This is some funny stuff coming out in a rage.

People forget to look at things from a systems point of view.

Clocks are better, no big cache is better, no Hypertransport is better, no the on board memory controller is better.

You are all right when looking at things from a systems perspective. The AMD X2s performed well because of many of its features integrated into a SPECIFIC architecture.

The Core 2 Duo works well because of its feature also integrated into its SPECIFIC architecture.

Design decisions are made at a system level not as an individual component (or at least they should be).

Each component designed to compliment the next upstream/downstream component.

Clocks are better, no big cache is better, no Hypertransport is better, no the on board memory controller is better.

Cache adds latency, and we've all seen Intels P4 EE
HTT is good, doesnt make the cpu good (Pentium M @ 2.5 takes a A64 @ 2.6 (4000+) in games etc)
Onboard Memory Controller is good, doesnt make the cpu good either

similar deal with Intels ageing fsb - it looks crap with a P4, but P6 tech and conroe on it makes it look... less... bad, intels yet to use AMDs tricks.

where are the benchmarks to support this? if clocks were better then why is intel dropping them way down? if cache causes latency and more is not better then why do they "waste" die space with it? on board memcontroll er takes a whole lot of load off the chipset, and runs the ram more efficiently (less watts)(downside is ddr2 which has funny clockspeeds). Hyper transport is an advanced bridge that was desiged for amds dual core processors. It links both cores at a nearly lossless speed. It functions also as a PCI-e AGP bridge with the rest of the computer. It is, in simple terms, a high bandwidth, igh efficiency Front Side Bus (AMDs (k8) do not have an FSB, they have a memclock which is standard at 200mhz).
the problem with K8 is not its IMC, not HT, but its K8 core. both IMC and HT are great concepts. however, i believe they are just like AMD64, too early for its time.

K8's core is just simply not as efficient as Core marchitecture in terms of processing data.

and you wanted a benchmark:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2648&p=7

Yonah (Core Duo) basically performs on par, and sometimes outperforms X2 3800+ while consuming a lot less energy.
 
Man O man,

This is some funny stuff coming out in a rage.

People forget to look at things from a systems point of view.

Clocks are better, no big cache is better, no Hypertransport is better, no the on board memory controller is better.

You are all right when looking at things from a systems perspective. The AMD X2s performed well because of many of its features integrated into a SPECIFIC architecture.

The Core 2 Duo works well because of its feature also integrated into its SPECIFIC architecture.

Design decisions are made at a system level not as an individual component (or at least they should be).

Each component designed to compliment the next upstream/downstream component.

Clocks are better, no big cache is better, no Hypertransport is better, no the on board memory controller is better.

Cache adds latency, and we've all seen Intels P4 EE
HTT is good, doesnt make the cpu good (Pentium M @ 2.5 takes a A64 @ 2.6 (4000+) in games etc)
Onboard Memory Controller is good, doesnt make the cpu good either

similar deal with Intels ageing fsb - it looks crap with a P4, but P6 tech and conroe on it makes it look... less... bad, intels yet to use AMDs tricks.

where are the benchmarks to support this? if clocks were better then why is intel dropping them way down? if cache causes latency and more is not better then why do they "waste" die space with it? on board memcontroll er takes a whole lot of load off the chipset, and runs the ram more efficiently (less watts)(downside is ddr2 which has funny clockspeeds). Hyper transport is an advanced bridge that was desiged for amds dual core processors. It links both cores at a nearly lossless speed. It functions also as a PCI-e AGP bridge with the rest of the computer. It is, in simple terms, a high bandwidth, igh efficiency Front Side Bus (AMDs (k8) do not have an FSB, they have a memclock which is standard at 200mhz).
the problem with K8 is not its IMC, not HT, but its K8 core. both IMC and HT are great concepts. however, i believe they are just like AMD64, too early for its time.

K8's core is just simply not as efficient as Core marchitecture in terms of processing data.

and you wanted a benchmark:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2648&p=7

Yonah (Core Duo) basically performs on par, and sometimes outperforms X2 3800+ while consuming a lot less energy.

Word.
 
Man O man,

This is some funny stuff coming out in a rage.

People forget to look at things from a systems point of view.

Clocks are better, no big cache is better, no Hypertransport is better, no the on board memory controller is better.

You are all right when looking at things from a systems perspective. The AMD X2s performed well because of many of its features integrated into a SPECIFIC architecture.

The Core 2 Duo works well because of its feature also integrated into its SPECIFIC architecture.

Design decisions are made at a system level not as an individual component (or at least they should be).

Each component designed to compliment the next upstream/downstream component.

Clocks are better, no big cache is better, no Hypertransport is better, no the on board memory controller is better.

Cache adds latency, and we've all seen Intels P4 EE
HTT is good, doesnt make the cpu good (Pentium M @ 2.5 takes a A64 @ 2.6 (4000+) in games etc)
Onboard Memory Controller is good, doesnt make the cpu good either

similar deal with Intels ageing fsb - it looks crap with a P4, but P6 tech and conroe on it makes it look... less... bad, intels yet to use AMDs tricks.

where are the benchmarks to support this? if clocks were better then why is intel dropping them way down? if cache causes latency and more is not better then why do they "waste" die space with it? on board memcontroll er takes a whole lot of load off the chipset, and runs the ram more efficiently (less watts)(downside is ddr2 which has funny clockspeeds). Hyper transport is an advanced bridge that was desiged for amds dual core processors. It links both cores at a nearly lossless speed. It functions also as a PCI-e AGP bridge with the rest of the computer. It is, in simple terms, a high bandwidth, igh efficiency Front Side Bus (AMDs (k8) do not have an FSB, they have a memclock which is standard at 200mhz).
the problem with K8 is not its IMC, not HT, but its K8 core. both IMC and HT are great concepts. however, i believe they are just like AMD64, too early for its time.

K8's core is just simply not as efficient as Core marchitecture in terms of processing data.

and you wanted a benchmark:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2648&p=7

Yonah (Core Duo) basically performs on par, and sometimes outperforms X2 3800+ while consuming a lot less energy.

Word.


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Yes word.




It's used in supportive context, it's kinda a trademark for me.
Yes spud is the only one allowed to say it and everytime he gives a word i give a cat.
 
Check the link below before you consider any conroe. Another reason why you should wait till all things exposed and truth prevail. I see AM2 platform best choice since it is upgradable to K8L and lot's of manufacturing supports. You hardly see any mobo manufac talking about new Intel's chip. Notice the lack of PATA, problem w/ raids, lack of full GPU (16x and SLI) and the link below says it all. Make one curious how things are shaping up for Intel's new chip. Also Notice how Intel fanboys going to respond to this post. one more reason to be cautious.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=467050


Intel hints that Conroe is going to release at B-2 Stepping as Intel Core 2 Duo processor. As for the previous version, a problem was found to make the system full loaded. It’s only solved in the new stepping. We don’t encourage anyone to buy the engineering sample from the web. The retail version is going to release in the end of this month, and it’s much stable.

So what's your point? Don't buy engineering samples?
 
Why don't you be fair to both AMD and Intel when pointing out "problems" such as the following:

The Odd Multiplier Issue

The Odd Multiplier Issue

Another item that was working against the Athlon 64 X2 5000+ on the previous page was the fact that it used an odd clock multiplier, in this case 13.0, in order to achieve its 2.6GHz clock speed. The problem with odd clock multipliers on AM2 CPUs is that the memory controller actually runs at DDR2-742 instead of DDR2-800. AM2 CPUs with even clock multipliers can run at DDR2-800 without any problems, and the reason why is pretty simple.

Below is the equation for calculating the memory speed of any Athlon 64 processor:

Reference Clock * Clock Multiplier = CPU Frequency

CPU Frequency / Memory Divisor = Memory Frequency

AMD only supports integer memory divisors, but let's start out by looking at how an AM2 CPU with an even clock multiplier fits the equation. For example, an Athlon 64 X2 4800+ runs at 2.4GHz and supports DDR2-800.

200MHz Reference Clock * 12x Clock Multiplier = 2400MHz CPU Frequency

2400MHz CPU Frequency / 6 = 400MHz DDR2-800 Memory Frequency

No problems, right? Now let's see how an odd clock multiplier changes things:

200MHz Reference Clock * 13x Clock Muliplier = 2600MHz CPU Frequency

2600MHz CPU Frequency / 6 = 433MHz DDR2-866 Memory Frequency

2600MHz CPU Frequency / 7 = 371MHz DDR2-742 Memory Frequency

See a problem? Because we can only use integer memory dividers, the only options for memory speed on a CPU with an odd clock multiplier are DDR2-866 or DDR2-742. Since AMD can't run above DDR2-800 spec, the only option is to underclock the memory to DDR2-742. This wasn't a problem on Socket-939 CPUs because DDR-400 ran at a 200MHz frequency, which you could always obtain by dividing the CPU clock frequency by an integer (since AMD never supported half multipliers). In fact, you simply used the same integer as the CPU multiplier. With DDR2-800, you need a 400MHz clock frequency, which you can only generate if you have an even CPU clock multiplier.

The problem gets even more complicated when you take into account the fact that Semprons and single-core Athlon 64s only support DDR2-667, which also has a similar issue.

While we haven't seen any significant downside to only running at DDR2-742 vs. DDR2-800, it is something to keep in mind when deciding what CPU to purchase. If you want your memory controller running at DDR2-800, you may want to stay away from the odd clock multiplier CPUs (X2 5000+, 4400+ and 4200+).

It is a "problem", but not a major problem.

The "problem" with Conroe engineering samples will only affect those who were stupid enoungh to buy a pre-production model.
 
Hello,

I want to know if 939 X2 3800+ be faster than CONROE 1.86 GHz.

I am considering it after the price drop.

Rgds,

Not sure if anyone answered your question since I'm not about to read through all 7 pages. But here you go......


Here's a French translated article that compares various CPUs. You need to click on the arrow icons at the bottom of the page for Google to continue to translate the next page

The E6300 is roughly equivalent to the X2 4400+ (or faster) based on the benchmarks. The game benchmarks use low resolutuions to gauge the power of the CPU. Higher resolutions are for GPU benchmarking.

Looking at the Farcry benchmarks, the E6300 comes in surprisingly close to the FX-60.

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The same can be said for Doom 3.

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If you look at Aquamark, then it takes a FX-62 to beat the E6300.

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If you are into DivX video compression, then the E6300 will provide you with the same performance as the FX-62.

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Hello,

I want to know if 939 X2 3800+ be faster than CONROE 1.86 GHz.

I am considering it after the price drop.

Rgds,

Not sure if anyone answered your question since I'm not about to read through all 7 pages. But here you go......


Here's a French translated article that compares various CPUs. You need to click on the arrow icons at the bottom of the page for Google to continue to translate the next page



Are those real numbers? Are the Conroe CPU overclocked? I mean a slow poke like the Conroe 1.86GHz can actually beat an x2 5000+ and even an FX-60 in some benchies?