Windows 10 Rant

[ArasTM]

Hi,
now how do I start this...
Windows 10 for me was a bad experience. I'm a power user, I like to have control in what I do and generally know why things are the way they are, also I just dislike when something doesn't work, even when I don't use it.


And when features do work, they're often insanely messy and look very badly implemented.

Let's say I want to go install something in a game's directory and my game launcher is located on the start menu, I can right click it -> More -> Open File Location, then I'm greeted with a folder where the start menu shortcut is located rather than the actual place of the application.

50% of the time start menu looks completely transparent and blurry and there's nothing on it, I haven't found anyone with an identical problem.

What's the deal with two control panels / settings? It would look like microsoft really wanted to implement that settings menu and ditch control panel, but ran out of time and had to leave it.
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And this gets so confusing let's say I want to disable most apps from running in the background, there are little to no options like this in control panel, so I try to find something in the settings panel, of course it'll be under System because this is about system and applications of it, what else have we got, apps and features, found it... nope completely different thing with very similar settings.
Here:

Let's try using the search, let's write background apps:

It shows this, clearly indicating that these options are under System settings, so I probably missed something, haven't I? Once you click it it opens Privacy settings and the name of the page is completely different as well...

Moving on:

Bing does not work, no matter what browser I try to use it on and also Edge doesn't work either, so Cortana is mostly useless. Google barely works as well, none of the features like unit conversion or something work, there's an old layout to it as well, image viewer has no options, and etc.
Attaching an image for that:

Just while writing this I've noticed another thing, using the snipping tool and saving the image to desktop requires me to right click and hit refresh so that I could see the file on desktop, again why?


Performance...

Take a note my PC is decent, I recently invested quite a bit into it and got myself an i7 6700, 24 gb of ram, GTX 690, 2 hdd drives, no ssd's yet.

The performance is the same or even worse as my 4gb RAM, intel pentium (dual core old one) windows 7 computer which is ridiculous.



One of the worst things is the background processes. There are hundreds of those. And they're not related to running applications, it's just utter trash like random microsoft applications: calculator, music player, search (which doesn't even work), loads of stuff related to printers while I don't even have one, settings, other apps you ran not too long ago, also chrome has like 20 processes (though it's not a windows 10 that much).
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I generally like the simplistic design and some "new" ideas like some features from Linux (Desktops, quick multitasking and etc) but this OS is barely useable in my case.

Feel free to add to this post, or if you have any solution for these problems / are experiencing those as well, let me know, I'll appreciate it. c:

Regards.

Mod Edit for Language

 

[Hlsgsz]

I find W10 to be excellent and alot better performing than W7. I guess one's mileage may vary.

 

[ArasTM]

I find W10 to be excellent and alot better performing than W7. I guess one's mileage may vary.

Hi, have you seen your taskmanager? When Windows 7 is cleanly installed there are significantly less random stuff going on and most of the above issues are not just mine, and even if they would be, if a part of the userbase have issues it's not the userbase's problem it's the software, isn't it?

Regards.

 

[13thmonkey]

At least 2 of your points that I tried to replicate on my win10 install I couldn't.

The example images page, mine looks normal in chrome, not like yours
Snipping and saving to desktop, it's just there, no refresh.

your instance of win10 is troubled, win10 isn't so much.

The start menu, never seen it like that on 3 machines

Yes two control panels, meh, pin one to the task bar.
The open location to the shortcut, well it's not what you want but it is precisely what you asked for, where is that icon, that icon is short cut, bit dumb overall on MS's part, not sure if it is different to 7.

I think that you have a poor installation, and i'd start again.

I not you have bittorrent as an app, installed much from torrents? Sure you haven't gotten anything dodgy with it?

 

[Hlsgsz]

Why woudl i care how many processes run as long as RAM usage is decent and teh system is fast?

 

[DeadRam]

Rrrrrrrrr you're a Pirate. You didn't have to upgrade so quit complaining.

 

[notlim981]

It still amuses me at this point in time the amount of people saying that Windows 10 is bad, this and that, and Windows 7 is the king. Windows 10 has a much cleaner kernel than 7. It's not all perfect but still for me is the best OS since 7 and much better than 7 was.

 

[Paul NZ]

One thing you should kill are the notifications. Noticed yesterday the disk usage was 100% the PC here could barely move. I thought the hdd was the prob. It wasn't

Then read online these stupid notifications are the cause. So I disabled them, and yup sure enough disk usage went down

The other things I've killed on this one is windows search and hibernation.

Since this is an SSD. Had to do it manually since Magician needs to be updated. It broke after doing a clean install of Win10 AU

Besides that it works fine. If you want to disable whatever you could use Shutup10. It'll do it for you

 

[USAFRet]

Ya know...there is nothing compelling you to use Win 10.
If you don't like it, use something else.

Win 7, Win 8.1, Linux, Apple...


"hundreds of background processes", yet your CPU is just idling along at 7%. Sounds like good management to me.
Snipping tool and Save to Desktop? Works just fine for me. Appears right away.


Personally, I like it.

 

[ArasTM]

One thing you should kill are the notifications. Noticed yesterday the disk usage was 100% the PC here could barely move. I thought the hdd was the prob. It wasn't

Then read online these stupid notifications are the cause. So I disabled them, and yup sure enough disk usage went down

The other things I've killed on this one is windows search and hibernation.

Since this is an SSD. Had to do it manually since Magician needs to be updated. It broke after doing a clean install of Win10 AU

Besides that it works fine. If you want to disable whatever you could use Shutup10. It'll do it for you

Thanks for these tips, also disabling background processes under settings and privacy helps with the buttload of apps running.

 

[Paul NZ]

No probs

 

[ArasTM]

Ya know...there is nothing compelling you to use Win 10.
If you don't like it, use something else.

Win 7, Win 8.1, Linux, Apple...


"hundreds of background processes", yet your CPU is just idling along at 7%. Sounds like good management to me.
Snipping tool and Save to Desktop? Works just fine for me. Appears right away.


Personally, I like it.

New hardware often conflicts with older OS's and generally it's definitely not recommended. Of course I could use Windows 7 but I generally like Microsoft and I'd like to at least point out the issues I'm facing with Windows 10.

 

[ArasTM]

Rrrrrrrrr you're a Pirate. You didn't have to upgrade so quit complaining.

I don't understand what you meant about upgrading, I did a clean install.

 

[ArasTM]

At least 2 of your points that I tried to replicate on my win10 install I couldn't.

The example images page, mine looks normal in chrome, not like yours
Snipping and saving to desktop, it's just there, no refresh.

your instance of win10 is troubled, win10 isn't so much.

The start menu, never seen it like that on 3 machines

Yes two control panels, meh, pin one to the task bar.
The open location to the shortcut, well it's not what you want but it is precisely what you asked for, where is that icon, that icon is short cut, bit dumb overall on MS's part, not sure if it is different to 7.

I think that you have a poor installation, and i'd start again.

I not you have bittorrent as an app, installed much from torrents? Sure you haven't gotten anything dodgy with it?

While I did download some stuff, I'm pretty sure no sideloaded malware came with it, most of the stuff in task manager processes is just windows stuff in any case.

 

[ArasTM]

Why woudl i care how many processes run as long as RAM usage is decent and teh system is fast?

You see, it just should be that way, the cleaner the better, the faster your PC will be, if your games or something are working fine it's not a problem but you can always improve it, for example as I do a lot of stuff like rendering, design and * the more free ram / CPU I have the better and it always is that way. I understant that some stuff that you use often should be put into ram, like the start menu, but having separate processes for almost each app in the PC even when the app isn't used (like groove music) is just stupid.

 

[USAFRet]

Why woudl i care how many processes run as long as RAM usage is decent and teh system is fast?

You see, it just should be that way, the cleaner the better, the faster your PC will be, if your games or something are working fine it's not a problem but you can always improve it, for example as I do a lot of stuff like rendering, design and * the more free ram / CPU I have the better and it always is that way. I understant that some stuff that you use often should be put into ram, like the start menu, but having separate processes for almost each app in the PC even when the app isn't used (like groove music) is just stupid.

It's there in the background, using zero CPU cycles or RAM.
If you don't like that, change that service to low priority of disable it completely.
Or uninstall that thing.

 

[ArasTM]

Why woudl i care how many processes run as long as RAM usage is decent and teh system is fast?

You see, it just should be that way, the cleaner the better, the faster your PC will be, if your games or something are working fine it's not a problem but you can always improve it, for example as I do a lot of stuff like rendering, design and * the more free ram / CPU I have the better and it always is that way. I understant that some stuff that you use often should be put into ram, like the start menu, but having separate processes for almost each app in the PC even when the app isn't used (like groove music) is just stupid.

It's there in the background, using zero CPU cycles or RAM.
If you don't like that, change that service to low priority of disable it completely.
Or uninstall that thing.

It's just that I think, that a clean modern OS shouldn't have many background things running or at least they could be bundled somehow (in the UI) - let's say Google Chrome could be one single process, Windows services second process, maybe you could expand them and see what's exactly in there, but right now it's one big mess.
It might not use a lot of ram or CPU, but when there's hundreds of such processes on a system it does make a difference.
Some benchmarks of GPU / CPU rendering in Windows vs Linux proved that OS matters a lot often a Windows machine that was used for some time will be twice or more as fast in Linux, which is ridiculous.

 

[USAFRet]

Chrome is multiple processes on purpose. So that when your random torrenting results in something dying, it does not kill off the rest of the browser or PC.
TaskManager shows processes. Should it try to group them? Why?

If it were not displayed as individual processes, people would not be able to kill off any single 'process'.
And other people would complain about it being combined into one line item.

 

[13thmonkey]

Chrome in wni 7 did exactly the same, win 7 does exactly the same with regards to the number of threads and processes running.

Given that you have issues that no-one else has, and you've downloaded some suspect materials, i'd strongly suggest a reinstall. Make sure it works well first then start being a power user (whatever one of those actually is) and fiddling with things, get a stable foundation and then build whatever you want to build.

 

[ArasTM]

Chrome in wni 7 did exactly the same, win 7 does exactly the same with regards to the number of threads and processes running.

Given that you have issues that no-one else has, and you've downloaded some suspect materials, i'd strongly suggest a reinstall. Make sure it works well first then start being a power user (whatever one of those actually is) and fiddling with things, get a stable foundation and then build whatever you want to build.

Just a few of the above issues are bugs and they are still pretty common expect for transparent blurry start menu.

 

[13thmonkey]

TBH anything could be wrong with your machine at this point, it's one of the perils of downloading stuff from unofficial sources, and that leaves you pretty much on your own.

 

[Hlsgsz]

Chrome is multiple processes on purpose. So that when your random torrenting results in something dying, it does not kill off the rest of the browser or PC.
TaskManager shows processes. Should it try to group them? Why?

If it were not displayed as individual processes, people would not be able to kill off any single 'process'.
And other people would complain about it being combined into one line item.

USAFRet is on point on this one. OP, you're thinking is outdated. Good modern software design implies using multiple isolated processes for multithreading, not huge, monolithical ones like it used to be before the advent on multicore hiperthreaded CPUs.
So you are just nitpicking when it comes to the processes you see in task manager.
I presume that you see a pattern developing in the answers you're getting: so long as Win runs well, you're nitpicking about processes and whatnot. And if it doesn't, there is something wrong wiht your particular install and you should redo it. There are many other users who would nail this point in, but are probably tired of this subject. And soem of tehse are sys admins who run dosens of systems, not just one W10 install.
Fix your windows, enjoy it, use your computer for whatever you're using it. An OS is a means not an end.

 

[ArasTM]

Guys, as I have stated quite some times now, the background running stuff could be okay if it'd be something that's actually needed, not groove music and calculator.
"As long as it works" is quite a stupid statement since we're talking about the "next gen" of Windows here, performance matters and I can get significantly better scores across all benchmarks on Linux for example and the longer you use Windows the messier it gets.
Now I have named a few bugs to show that the OS isn't polished at all and while a clean reinstall of the OS might solve these issues it might also cause more of them. If these issues would be my own it'd be Okay, but when you google anything about Microsoft Edge or something most of what comes up is just troubleshooting why it's not working.

And also calm down with "piracy", viruses and unofficial software sources. I mostly download stuff from trusted and tested sources, no malware.

 

[Rocky Bennett]

But you do have to remember that this is your opinion, and YOUR OPINION ONLY. Everybody has an opinion and I feel that Windows 10 is the cleanest most efficient OS around. I have about 11 different operating systems running on my PC in a multi-boot scanrio and I simply love Windows 10. I just opened up task manger right now and this is what I have,

Outlook 2016 open
Edge open,
foobar2000 running,
Firefox open with 12 tabs,
Task manager open,
and what ever Microsoft apps are running in the background. My total CPU usage is 1% and my memory is 16%. Not bad.

 

[Colif]

Some of the background processes such as system and compressed memory actually make your PC faster, so careful which ones you stop in the aim of reducing background processes. I stopped groove but mainly as it was misbehaving. Most processes only run when they are needed.

I haven't stopped any of them and PC doesn't feel slow at all. Never had a lack of resources apart from when running an AV scan on my ssd but that is a physical restriction, not software. Win 10 generally runs all its processes when I am not using it.

I don't use Edge as it still lacks functions Chrome has, and its lack of add ons needs to improve before i will bother looking again. edge is just like IE to me, think I use it once to install Chrome and never look at it again.

you might want to try these two commands and see if they fix win 10

right click start button
choose command prompt (admin)
type SFC /scannow and press enter
restart PC
then re open command prompt Admin
and copy/paste this in (needs to be exact)

DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

see if that helps