Windows 10 Update damaged my external hard drive

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klgrube

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I had a problem with a Windows 10 update process that caused a USB-connected external hard drive to be corrupted and inaccessible. I was actually accessing the drive (searching for a file) when a Windows 10 update forced me to "shutdown and update." The system ground to a screeching halt, and when that happens, I know it's Microsoft forcing me to do a Windows 10 update. When I hit the Windows button, I saw that I was right; Windows was forcing me to shutdown and update. I believe the forced shutdown while I was accessing the external drive is what corrupted it.

I have exhausted all of Microsoft's technical support avenues, and the drive is now sitting at the Microsoft Store in Fashion Valley (San Diego) waiting for someone to authorize sending the drive to Seagate for data recovery at no charge to me. There is absolutely nothing more the store or technical support can do. But I refuse to let Microsoft damage my little external hard drive (1 terabyte) and then make me pay to get my data back. That's just not right.

I have been trying for about two months to get through to someone at a higher level at Microsoft who can authorize the store or me to send the drive out for recovery, but Microsoft makes that nearly impossible. I've even faxed the complaint department several times. Microsoft doesn't seem to have an executive level customer relations department at all, and no one at the store, at the Answer Desk, or in tier three tech support has been helpful beyond telling me there's nothing more they can do and no one else they can refer me to.

Every single person I've spoken with about this has refused to escalate my request to anyone higher beyond the level of the store manager and a tech support supervisor, neither of which can authorize the data recovery at no charge to me. I find that outrageous and unacceptable. I've even had Microsoft technicians tell me the situation I described is certainly possible. It would be just absolutely too coincidental for the drive to have failed at just the moment Microsoft was forcing me to update. As soon as the update was complete, the system rebooted. When I tried to access the drive again, it wasn't recognized. It was listed in the Device Manager, but Disk Management couldn't initialize it for some reason. So, I was told to take it to the Store, and they've been of no help.

They keep telling me their tech support says the update can't damage a drive, and I keep having to constantly repeat that it isn't the update itself that damaged the drive, but the SHUTDOWN part of the shutdown and update process. They just don't get it. I think this happened because the system was put in this "non responsive" state in order to force the update and happened to be accessing the external hard drive at that exact moment. Not only that, but I keep having to prove to them that they have a known issues with the Anniversary Update and connected external drives suddenly not being accessible after the update.

Microsoft is adamant in their refusal to pay for data recovery and say the drive is "dead" and that I only have until Feb 16 to retrieve the drive from the Store or they will dump it for recycling. What that means, if true, is that the only alternative I have is for real data recovery from a company that specializes in that service. I won't be able to personally use any data recovery software or do anything else to get to the data. I am equally as adamant, however, that I shouldn't have to pay for damage their update caused.

I'm interested in hearing whether anyone else has experienced their system becoming unresponsive when Windows 10 wants to update and if it's possible that shutting down while accessing a connected drive could have caused the drive to be corrupted? Please let me know what you think and if you have any suggestions as to where I can find documentation that real damage to a connected hard drive is a known issue. I can't be the only one.
 
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Just a suggestion. If you post this question in the storage section, there is a Western Digital representative that hangs out there. He might be able to give you some input on this situation.

Again, I am sorry that you are experiencing this and I sure hope that you can get this resolved to your satisfaction.

popatim

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The bolded is what sounds like is probably the cause of your problem. Your system crashed in the middle of your using the external. This is not Microsofts fault and they do not force you to update in such a manner despite what you believe. I have several systems that i might update once a year and other less critical systems that have had none. At no point do they come to a screeching halt while i'm using them.


Let me also add that no storage device should be used to hold the only copy of important files. All drives fail, it's a matter of when and not if. The more copies you have of those files the safer they are from loss.

Good Luck.
 

klgrube

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Nope, nothing you said is accurate. My system ALWAYS becomes unresponsive when windows wants to force an update. The only command you can execute is "Shutdown and Update." This is a well-known behavior of the Windows 10 updates. My system did not "crash" or the update wouldn't have been successful.





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What you said is simply not true. It is a well known behavior of these Windows 10 updates that they stop your keyboard and mouse from allowing you to do anything but hit "shutdown and update" when you get to a certain point. I mean, if I don't notice that there is a pending update, that absolutely happens every time. NO, my system isn't crashing. This ONLY happens when Windows 10 is forcing an update.

Here is an article from another user that describes what happens.

http://www.brucebnews.com/2016/07/the-pain-of-windows-10-updates/

So, yeah, this actually IS Microsoft's fault for putting my system in an unresponsive state where it can't shutdown properly.

To be clear, one reason I had that external drive connected was precisely because wanted to copy some of the files there to cloud storage.





 
1. A normal computer is never affected by a Windows 10 update, they happen in the background and have zero effect on the operation of any other program or hardware.
2. A conscientious computer user should never have just one copy of their data since hard drives are so cheap and data is so precious.

I agree with Microsoft, this has nothing to do with them or their updates so you should try to use the hard drive a different system to retrieve the data or try to use Linux to extract the data.

This is a very important lesson for you. If you have data that you care about, always keep multiple copies in several different secure locations. I myself have 4 different copies of my data;

1. Hard drive attached to my computer
2. Hard drive in a drawer in the living room
3. Hard drive at my youngest Daughter's house
4. Hard drive at my oldest Daughter's house.
 

klgrube

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Did you bother to read the other person's article saying he had the same problem with the Windows updates slowing his system to a crawl and basically making his system inaccessible until he updated? No, he didn't lose a hard drive, but his system did exhibit the same symptoms as mine at the time of the update. Good grief. Would you please actually READ the thread before commenting?

Besides that, it wouldn't matter if I had 20 copies of my data, Microsoft is responsible for what happened to that drive and I intend to hold them accountable.

On top of that, if you've been in IT as long as I have, you KNOW what removing power from a connected device suddenly can do. Also, you should already know about the well-documented problem with external hard drives not being recognized immediately after the Windows 10 Anniversary Update, so don't tell me the operating system can't affect your ability to access external devices. Here is yet another article that discusses this part of the situation. http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3165778/external-hard-drive-showing-windows-file-explorer.html

All I have asked is whether anyone knows of others who have had situations similar to mine. I didn't ask for you or anyone else to justify Microsoft's stonewalling me or for your advice. Right now, I'm just trying to gather information.




 
Yes I definitely read that article. Very funny stuff there. Unfortunately in the real world things don't work that way.

You really should try to extract the data from your hard drive if it is important and use this as a lesson. Never have just one copy of your data, hard drives are too cheap and data is too precious.
 
I'm sorry, I have been very busy all morning and thus I have been multi-tasking. A little bit of back ground. I am a Windows 10 preview tester, I have been using Windows 10 for over 2 years. I work intimately with the Windows 10 developers to correct any issues that arise with the installation of Windows 10 and the implementation of Windows 10. There are thousands of Windows 10 beta testers all over the world running beta versions on all kinds of different equipment. (Right now we are running a beta version of Windows 10 Creators Edition, 1704.)

The scenario that you describe is really unfortunate but nothing in your description sounds like your issue is related to a failure on the part of Windows, and it definitely does not sound like it is related to any updates or restarts. I am sorry that this has happened to you but you really should work at extracting the data off that hard drive. There are many ways that a live Linux USB might be able to help you out, and I sincerely hope that you get this fixed, but please quite blaming Microsoft and move on.
 

klgrube

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Did you not read where I said the Microsoft Store is now telling me that the drive won't power up at all? Either suddenly removing power from the drive, which the shutdown and update did, caused some damage OR the drive was damaged while in the custody of the Store. It was receiving power when I took it in to them. We SAW it.

I am also a member of the Windows Insider program and I have been a SQL Server programmer and DBA for over 25 years until recently and running Windows Ten for about a year.

I'd love to get the data back myself, but the only way to retrieve data from a drive that won't power up is by sending it to a data recovery company, which Microsoft refuses to do unless I pay. And don't you DARE tell me my drive must have been already going out. It would be absolutely too coincidental for that to happen the moment of an update's "shutdown and update" forced shutdown.

Again, all I'm asking is if anyone else here has experienced the extreme slowing of your system when Windows wants you to update or has experienced inaccessible or damaged drives since the Anniversary Update debacle.
 
Just a suggestion. If you post this question in the storage section, there is a Western Digital representative that hangs out there. He might be able to give you some input on this situation.

Again, I am sorry that you are experiencing this and I sure hope that you can get this resolved to your satisfaction.
 
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klgrube

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I'll post in Storage Solutions . . Thanks for that tip.
 

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OP, given that you already apparently know the problem and the best solutions, you could save a lot of time by telling us which responses or advice you won't respond to with hostility. It appears your 25 years of experience don't appear to include any experience interacting with other human beings.
 

klgrube

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I haven't been asking for solutions, really. All I'm trying to find out is whether or not anyone else has had the same kind of experience with a Windows 10 Update where their external drive either became inaccessible, as it with with the Anniversary Update, or was actually damaged.
 

klgrube

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I have one last call in to Microsoft to see if they will authorize the data recovery. I'll hear back on Monday.

I also called Fry's Electronics Data Recovery Services, recommended by HGST Touru, and they tell me that they frequently receive drives in for data recovery that were actually damaged by Windows updates, including physical damage. They definitely see this consistently with Windows updates. If Microsoft still refuses, I may ask Fry's to put something in writing about that. Feel free to call them and ask the same question: 800.440.1904
 
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I just want to say that this just happened to me in another, ridiculous way. I wanted to format my 2TB external HDD and left my computer since this took forever. When I came back I realized that my computer had restarted during the process and my brand new HDD was corrupted. This was thanks to a Microsoft Update! It just restarted and ruined the formatting while I was away.

What a terrible way to make a system, this update feature should not be able to restart while a formatting is undergoing. And it is the built in formatting feature in Windows! How stupid (pardon my french). In general, Microsoft should look at the update feature because is has a lot of these problems. This has happened before, I came home and my HDD was destroyed while copying files to the external HDD. It took me a while to find out that an update had happened. Couldn't understand why the computer was at the login screen. The problem occured both on Windows 7 and 10.

So, I recommend turning OFF these automatic updates in windows 7, and in Windows 10, use this solution: http://www.redmondpie.com/disable-turn-off-automatic-updates-in-windows-10-heres-how/

This way, you can update when YOU want to.

I work with computers and I truly believe that stuff like klgrube talked about can and will happen with this rigid system. It is stuff like this that will make me move to Apple products in the future. And I once was a true Microsoft fan.

Kind regards
Kristoffer
 

klgrube

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Thank you. At least now I know I'm not alone in this. That actually helps. After having the drive examined by two reputable companies, it looks as though the data is completely gone. I'm still in the process of deciding whether or not to file a dispute with Microsoft about this. It does seem, however, as though the update process has changed somewhat to avoid this, though I'm not entirely convinced. Besides that, I still hold them responsible for the loss of the information. I'm still thinking through my best response to them.
 

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I read some of the answers and your continued request to ask if anyone has experienced this. I also relate to the frustration of people trying ot help and then over and over saying, it is impossible and Microsoft could not be to blame. And how they keep quoting you and trying ot prove that you are just not listening.

First of all, I have to say, I am continually (on multiple computers) finding my computer had updated when I leave them on, and I come back home or wake up and I on multiple computers, I have had to replace hard drives, after a windows update. I have no idea while. I have no idea if it a bad hard drive, or just coincidence. But it is frustrating how many different computers it has happened on. I will admit, most of them have SSDs. I have in some cases, come home and had both computers have blue screens at the same time (both have had hard drives replaced already) and it happened again.

I am no novice, and this was not happening before windows 10.

All that said, I don't hate windows 10. I just would love this problem to go away.

I also want ot share, one thing I learned, you can disable the auto reboot on windows 10 pro, but not windows 10 home. It is well documented, that on windows 10 home, Microsoft has removed the option to disable the auto updates. My understanding is (and this part I have not researched as all mine are windows 10 pro), but it will ask you a few times if you want to update. You get the option for 1 hour or 4 hours or set a time (whatever it is), and if you don't pick anything, it will just do it on its own. If you are like and I and you like to keep your computer running so you can remote in, this is a problem. Especially if it is crashing when it happens.

All that said, I still agree with the comments about backing up. I have lost data, and I continue to have to change the way I do things so I do have backups. I do not do it right all the time, but I do keep my most important files in the one drive folder (of all places, I use Microsoft). there are other ways to do this.

I am still looking at other options too. In the end, t his sucks, but I cannot spend hours fighting with Microsoft on this. I will hope the problem gets fixed. I do understand I have some older computers and lot of it is related to bad drivers when the updates take place. On some computer, I also understand I bought a cheaper brand SSD. So although this has happened on updates, there were, in fact, things I could do differently including better brand SSD and backing up.

I have no problem with your question to research this. But to try to fight with Microsoft to pay for your recovery, in my experience, is a waste of time. Microsoft does have pretty good customer service, but it is not that good. They are not going to pay to get data recovery done (for anyone), as far as I know, ever. It is just a waste of time on your part.

I know this sucks. And I know some of it feels like you blaming Microsoft is the answer. But backing up your data is always your responsibility. I do agree with you however, Microsoft needs to really look into this issue and find ways to make sure we are not pulling our hair out all the time. I have too many computers and (especially on some older models) this has been a nightmare. Yeah, I could keep buying new computers, or build new ones. I also could just not update. There are many reasons why I did make the choice. I like the new features. I also have learned, for example, a lot of the new viruses are hitting older computers (operating systems). There are other reasons. I would rather have Microsoft just force more popups or something, that forcing a reboot without my permission. In fact, in one case, I really remember one night, I was working late, and I accidentally said to reboot... I meant ot hit cancel. I lost all my work. ERRRRR. It was so frustrating. There was no way to just say nooooo. It was supposed to ask if I wanted to save my work, but in some cases, with the updates, this is not always the case. At least it was not in this case. That was not one of the times I got the blue screen.

Anyways, I was doing research, because of yesterday, I came up and I had two computers (again) with blue screens. Both have had hard drives replaced (again) because it happened before. One is doing fine, the other won't book again. The reason is ... windows cannot find the hard drive (again). It is soo frustrating. On the one that is working, I finally put a very expensive SSD. The other, I will have to check, but I'm pretty sure, I did not to that (yet).

The important files are backed up. Most of them at least. I just have too much stuff right now ot back up all of it, but eventually, I will find a solution. I am not just there yet.

Why this time, did I get too blue screens on two computers at the same time. I don't know. I don't think I have the updates set to auto do it (anymore). I thought. But honestly, I don't know. I really don't anymore. I am just doing my best. The good news 9this time) I got over 4 months (this time) with no problems. I had one computer down for almost 6 months before I finally just put a new hard drive. I was never able to fix the old hard drive. Although, I was lucky enough to get the files off of it. I just never was able to get it reboot again.

Anyways, again, if you have a newer system and good hard drives, my experience is, you probably won't have too many problems. If you are running custom systems. Windows 10 tends to fail more. If you have older systems, you will have even more problems. This one is an i7 first gen laptop with 16gb and two hard drives, one an SSD. The other is older but has a lot of game parts. It I pretty fast for how old it is. I don't want to embarrass myself. It is pretty scooped up. It has 4 cores and is maxed to the max. But it crashed again. GEEZ. I know there is faster and better, but honestly, it does well 99% of the time. It really does.

Nathan

 

cyansmiles

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This is a great article on signs your HHD is failing. Meaning, windows did not cause it but did play a part in it. It was failing anyways.

It is a good read.
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-warning-signs-ssd-break-fail/
 
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