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[citation][nom]geoffs[/nom]Sorry for my previous posts, I forgot what site I was on. This is the TomsHardware forum, where anything pro-Apple, pro-Linux, or anti-MS gets rated down. Damn the facts, just rate me down, let's see if I can hit -20.[/citation]

Rated down, but not censored, unlike the Apple forums...of which behaviour is why the majority of Apple-bashers dislike Apple.

I think I speak for the majority of Apple-bashers when I say that hardware/software is largely irrelevant in their distaste for Apple. The main factor is that Apple comes across as patronizing, condenscending, oppressive and obtuse.

I don't buy Macs not because of the product (I'm neutral towards them), but because I dislike Apple more than I dislike Microsoft, and I refuse to support a company that treats its customers as described above.

 
Just to validate what MS is saying, I installed win7 on an eeepc running atom n280 with 1Gb memory and it runs just about the same as xp. It even allows the usage of the Aero desktop even though the system is rated at 2.0 but hey it's a netbook. It runs flash games a little slow on face book but work procesing and other netbook type functions work well, even the xp drivers work. Win7 is really quite good.
 
Macs run photoshop cs4 and maya3d slower than a comparable MS version on similar hardware (that costs less). Macs cannot run (natively) any autodesk product at all. Kind of wipes out my client base right there...
 
[citation][nom]sstym[/nom]Microsoft still enjoys an 88% market share on OSes. I view the current trend of rising OSX shares as positive on several accounts:1- This forced Microsoft to focus on quality and Windows 7 is a direct result of this market pressure. Vista was a product of over engineering and complacency.2- As Apple gains more market shares, the hackers are going to start noticing. Steve Jobs will have to rewrite history Big Brother Style and pretend the infamous "Macs don't get viruses" Hodgman/Long commercial never aired.3- Microsoft is known for a complete lack of vision that is only matched by their ability to turn around and recover from their mistakes in a split second. This means they will come up with elegant solutions should their market shares get actually threatened.[/citation]

Very nicely said.

Windows 7 actually only lacks a few features I want.
Windows-based ISO mounting, simpler UI customization (the easy stuff is limited), and spanview (which ended with XP, but it seems ATI may be bringing it back with the 5xxx series).
Been using various builds since last december, and I have enjoyed it. Using RTM now, but the first build I used was stable enough for everyday use easily.
 
[citation][nom]amabhy[/nom]I'm sure Windows 7 will kick Apple ass. The RTM was awesome, and everybody's pumped for this release.Snow Leopard can suck my dick.[/citation]
The average TH reader just seems to love a mouthful of m$'s. Fankiddies beware! Zero brains, and a hell of a big mouth - but still not enough for m$'s precious, highly risk of choking.

Yummy boy, don't you ever get tired of licking m$'s a$$?
m$ hasn't sold even one copy, just the marketingdroid armies are in full offensive. TH writters , what a sad joke.
 
[citation][nom]ossie[/nom]The average TH reader just seems to love a mouthful of m$'s. Fankiddies beware! Zero brains, and a hell of a big mouth - but still not enough for m$'s precious, highly risk of choking.Yummy boy, don't you ever get tired of licking m$'s a$$?m$ hasn't sold even one copy, just the marketingdroid armies are in full offensive. TH writters , what a sad joke.[/citation]


Microsofts tiny penis is now in your ass.
 
I'm using Snow Leopard and Windows 7 , i won't be a fan boy and tells that everything is better than Windows , but can tell you that Snow Leopard blows away any Windows version in terms of performance
 
[citation][nom]Yoder54[/nom]Gee...maybe some apps won't run in 64-bit mode..if not then boot into 32 vs. 64.[/citation]

Er, what? Apps like that would "just work" and run under a 32-bit mode WHILE IN a 64-bit Vista or windows 7. I'd be willing to bet Ubuntu can do the same thing. (it's really obvious in windows, just pull up task manager and *32 is something running in 32-bit mode) Thanks for telling us something about Macs that isn't as easy nor does it "just work"
 
[citation][nom]ossie[/nom]The average TH reader just seems to love a mouthful of m$'s. Fankiddies beware! Zero brains, and a hell of a big mouth - but still not enough for m$'s precious, highly risk of choking.Yummy boy, don't you ever get tired of licking m$'s a$$?m$ hasn't sold even one copy, just the marketingdroid armies are in full offensive. TH writters , what a sad joke.[/citation]

The average TH reader also builds their own pc, customizing their own hardware and usually have a set of software they want to run after they complete the build, I am sure if they could grab a snow leopard and install it on their am2/3 platform machine with ati graphics they would but they can't, so huge fail for Mac there.

Also if pc can continue to sell computers at the 200-300 dollar range to schools as opposed to the 700 minimum for mac they will always have a bigger share of the market.

Also when the average person (not a TH reader) wants to buy a big 17" basic laptop they will buy a pc for 500 bucks not the minimum 2800 bones they would have to fork up for a mac or 900 for the cheapest 13.3 laptop.
 
[citation][nom]Yoder54[/nom]You are an idiot...little man.Snow Leopard was one of the easiest installs ever. I put it on three different Mac's and not one problem. From what I have read in the media Win7 will be a beast when you go to upgrade any hardware. MS is more concerned with piracy than with paying consumers. They would do well if the learned from the music industry.If MS has no concerns, then why do they continue to inundate us with those lame "I am a PC" ads?[/citation]

Huh. Thats great but reading is one thing and doing is another.

I installed Windows 7 and all I had to do was partition my drive which I prefer to do anyways. Hell I didn't even have to restart after installing all the drivers.

No problems yet with compatability and its great.

And of course the MS ads are lame. They don't actually bash Apple. They state why their product is great.....

[citation][nom]Yoder54[/nom]Windows 7 Not Afraid of Netbooks or Macs is the title. It might be more appropriate if an article was written with the title: Windows Fan's Afraid of Macs[/citation]

Or in your case: Mac Fans can't shut up?

Windows 7 is a great OS. And the funny thing is that Apple probably will have a hard time finding something to bitch about like with Vista. Probably will force Apple to do something creative with their commercials for once like stating why their product is better instead of bashing the competition..... Oh wait.... that would require imagination....

[citation][nom]Yoder54[/nom]No, one was a first gen iMac, an aluminum MacBook, and a mid-209 17" MacBook Pro. Very different hardware...as stated above not key-gens, 800 numbers, etc...as stated above. With MS you have to jump through far too many hoops and installation is a major concern. Can you jump from 32-bit to 64-bit on the fly with Win7? Don't think so...it is easy enough with Snow Leopard. Besides, the Unix core has it all over the vestiges of DOS.Will it be possible to upgrade a 32-bit Win OS to 64-bit without reformatting? Nope. It is possible with SL.[/citation]

Pssssttttttt..... little secret..... Since Windows XP DOS has no longer been a sub system. And in Vista it had a Linux based kernal..... so does Windows 7.

But of course you didn't know that.

And upgrading is for dummies. The real way with a new OS to experience its splendor is a fresh install. You should know that.

And most people still don't need 64bit especially since most programs STILL don't utilize its potential. Only people like the enthusiasts here will use it.

Oh and last but not least, MS owns Apple. As in majority share holder. Which means that in the end you are still using a MS product.
 
I'd wish someone would write a virus/trojan/malware for OSX and put all the MAC users in thier gleefully place and shut them up.

Challenge to MAC users: Go to a garage sale pickup older random PC parts for under $100 dollars and build a PC, install OSX on it. (FYI: Win7 can be installed and run 1990's hardware to present day and proven in an article somewhere)

Don't even get me started on the Enterprise sector. OSX is even a bigger fail there. I would run out of hair to count on my body if I listed every reason. (Just to note, I am as hairy as a Sasquatch. My friends call me Chewy - Short for Chewbaca)
 
the thing that makes me laugh most is the Apple`s comercials that show how great mac os is with it`s itunes iphotos I whatever they have there with their os , while installing all sort of similar programs in windows will mean it`s full of bloatware and EU comision will sue MS for unfair competition , apple isn`t touched by EU. Seems EU has it`s nutcases with competition and MS and US has problems with stupid patents that help general population but are illegal to use, wonder if there`s still an opening for a Wheel patent.
 
Yoder54 said:
You are an idiot...little man.Snow Leopard was one of the easiest installs ever. I put it on three different Mac's and not one problem. From what I have read in the media Win7 will be a beast when you go to upgrade any hardware. MS is more concerned with piracy than with paying consumers. They would do well if the learned from the music industry.If MS has no concerns, then why do they continue to inundate us with those lame "I am a PC" ads?
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Hi Yoder54, I'm real happy for you liking Snow Leopard, and Imma let you finish. I just wanna say Windows 7 is the best OS this year.
 
[citation][nom]Yoder54[/nom]You are an idiot...little man.Snow Leopard was one of the easiest installs ever. I put it on three different Mac's and not one problem. From what I have read in the media Win7 will be a beast when you go to upgrade any hardware. MS is more concerned with piracy than with paying consumers. They would do well if the learned from the music industry.If MS has no concerns, then why do they continue to inundate us with those lame "I am a PC" ads?[/citation]

Interesting your call those "I am a PC" ads lame. Let's discuss lame, what's lame, hiring 2 professional actors to say whatever you pay them to say, or actually going out into the real world and getting the typical average middle class American if they would prefer to save money and buy a PC that will do everything they need it to do, or spend double, sometimes triple the money that will do the same things a PC will do and because it's a MAC... a MAC.

Hmmm...
 
MS is not afraid of Apple or Linux just CPUs and GPUs. The new low power long battery life laptops using low power chips will choke it compared to Android and such. OS X 10.6 (Built on UNIX) is the bomb too so you MS fanboys can keep your Vista SP3 Swiss cheese OS 7 and anti-virus software and I will keep my Unix bases OS's.
 
[citation][nom]etichi[/nom]To all the Apple haters:you should THANK Apple for without them you would still be running XP or Vista! You know that without competition Microsoft would have no incentive to do better because of their massive market share. This is like David and Goliath here. Apple will never take over Microsoft's share of the market. My God some of these posts are down right ignorant. (And there the ones with +20).[/citation]
I don't know about the other regulars, but I can tell you I don't hate Apple; I hate their pretentiousness. They, Apple being personified by their founder and front-man Steve Jobs, have this attitude that they and their users are all artists, intellectuals and otherwise enlightened individuals who are much better than the philistines who use PCs. Well, out of curiosity, which do you think is the greater intellectual exercise, using a self-professed machine that any idiot can use, or building your own high-performance computer out of discrete components from different manufacturers?

The simple fact is that this is a computer hardware enthusiats website. Apple is not a platform that lends itself to this pursuit. So, I fail to understand why YOU fail to comprehend the reason why most of the people on here are PC supporters.
 
[citation][nom]the_one111[/nom]+1.Er. -1 that is.COME ON PEOPLE HELP ME TAKE HIM DOWN!!!!!!!!This argument was won by windows before it even started. Apple is no threat to windows, if anything is it would be linux. Microsoft is at the point where it is almost impossible to beat, they hold all the cards and while they may screw up sometimes they usually get it done right.When will you fanbois learn? Just because you paid a extra $200 for your computer (EXCUSE ME I MEANT MAC!!!) and got a gay pride mouse icon doesn't make your computer better. Nor does it make your computer able to play games and successfully run with 95% of other computers.[/citation]
 
[citation][nom]D_Kuhn[/nom]I'm sure Microsoft has plans to play in the netbook arena, but it'll be MUCH stiff competition in that market than they have on the desktop. I think Microsoft WILL be hurt by these trends as big players like Google figure out ways to take bites out of the desktop market. People are already moving to laptop from the conventional desktop, how much farther do they have to go before netbooks with non-M$ operating systems are appealing?... not far at all... especially at off the shelf prices that are barely more than Microsoft sells some of it's OS's for all by themselves.I think the days of Microsoft having unchallenged control over the computing tools of consumers are basically over, and competition is good, it will mean lower margins for Microsoft, but better and more affordable products for US.[/citation]

it will be another 20-30 years before that happens man. don't forget all these OS'es coming out are just GUI's running on the Linux kernel and everyone knows how many roadblocks there are when most of the software and media for PC's and the internet is geared towards windows.
 
[citation][nom]jimmysmitty[/nom]Pssssttttttt..... little secret..... Since Windows XP DOS has no longer been a sub system. And in Vista it had a Linux based kernal..... so does Windows 7.But of course you didn't know that.[/citation]Of course he didn't know that, because it's completely false. Win7 does NOT have a Linux based kernel, nor does Vista or any other version of Windows. Epic fail #1

[citation][nom]jimmysmitty[/nom]Oh and last but not least, MS owns Apple. As in majority share holder. Which means that in the end you are still using a MS product.[/citation]Not even a minority shareholder. MS did invest in Apple as a minority shareholder about 10 years ago, but they also sold all that stock about 5 years ago. Epic fail #2.
 
As a programmer, I have all kinds of programmer friends. Ever since we all went into the working world 6~7 years ago I've had 2 mac only users (because they were always using them in HS and college) turn into windows users because it was impossible for them to program games for xbox xbox360 ps2 ps3 on a Mac. I guess if they went into a world of programming games for Macs (is there a world for that, maybe iphone right?) they'd be still using their Macs, but they don't. They won't admit they use windows all the time now either, they buy Mac still but I hardly ever seem the use it. I mean you can do everything in windows, but for a Mac you have to limit yourself to some art, some music, some programming in java/linux etc.. but on windows you can do that and more. Who has time to move from one computer to another just to do things differently? If you can do all your work and then relax and play a game all without having to switch machines or vm into something, why bother? They don't anymore. Of course they just wasted a couple of grand on machines they don't use; that's their problem. Still I don't see how the market share dropped from 90s to 88%, does this count households that didn't have a mac before and now have a mac, however even though they still have a windows machine, it doesn't count? Now that household is a mac household?

I happen to be an SAP programmer so there's no option for me but if I did buy a mac does that mean suddenly my 5 windows pc are nulled and I count as 100% mac user?
 
Why do you think we are PC fans? I'm sure most of us have tried an iMac and just don't like it. I am working on one right now and I wouldn't ever consider actually using one/buying one for my house. To me, the only good thing iMacs do is edit video/look pretty/cost freakishly expensive.

Don't hate just because Windows completely dominates the OS market. You shouldn't be jealous, use a PC.
 
[citation][nom]etichi[/nom]Furthermore, jellico, this is not a site for PC fanboys to circle jerk, which is what you are doing in that response.you sir, need to RTFF.[/citation]
I'm not the one tilting my lance at windmills, Don Quixote. You're constantly posting abrasive pro-Apple/anti-MS nonsense. In a previous news article, you were castigating Steve Ballmer as a typical fat American, and telling us that he is an example of why America is no longer #1. You subsequently got your ass handed to you when you couldn't backup that statement. Now, here you are at it again throwing gasoline on the fire. You, sir, are a troll and just need to STFU.
 
We already have the retail version of Windows 7 Ultimate available at Indiana University for $20. Mmmmmmmmm :)
 
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