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i put win8 in my acer w500 few days ago.. as desktop os they are POS due to too many change. but for tablet OS it was light years ahead of win7 and it boot up much faster. IMO win8 is pretty dang fast for my 1GHz CUP/2GB RAM, there still bug here and there (hulu desktop dont work) but as i think its step into right direction.
there nothing in MS market yet.. i think pushing apps into MS market is #1 thing MS need to do.

while win8 is POS for desktop.. it end up very good as tablet OS and i think thats what MS try to focus on.
 
You say low price , I hear expected and engineered to fail . Forcing Metro on keyb/mouse users is just stupid . And besides there is no real advantage to using win8 . I can wait a couple years for next gen . Or I can easily migrate to linux and use win 7 for games , that is the only thing missing from linux right now tbh ...
 
So many thumbs down on negative comments about W8?
Seems suspicious to me...

Seriously, W8 is quite good if you like connectivity and the whole Windows Live experience but seriously? we also wanted a working machine, one that runs efficiently, using resources mainly to power up the kernel and other professional applications. This looks like a silly smartphone on your desktop, and that bombards you with propaganda and ads from MS.

There is NO WAY actual professionals (engineers, designers, etc) will adopt this system. Reduces it to the efficiency level of Mac AND as far as know (correct me if im wrong) there were little to no changes on the win7 kernel... so this is just a publicity stunt for me.
 
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At the first sight, $14.99 and $39.99 are very attractive. I couldn't remember what was the last time when Microsoft priced its OS upgrade so low. Then I remembered how much Windows Vista costed me...
Thanks for your effort, Balmer, but you are not appreciated.
 
[citation][nom]Zetto[/nom]You have no idea what you are talking aboutIT Tech[/citation]
Oh yeah then see what Desktop OS most major companies are running now. It's still XP.

My best friend is VP for IT @ Morgan Stanley and before that Wells Fargo, and both Window 7 or 8 are a no go now, and Windows 8 isn't even a consideration. Maybe Windows 7 SP2 but that's vaporware now and would required full validation.

Switching an OS is a major undertaking especially for larger companies when they have custom applications that require validation or worst simply are not compatible with a newer OS.

I have a small business running Windows 7 Professional x64 and I have no plans to make the switch even if the OS upgrade is free -- because it's not 'free' to have my IT guy to test/fix/roll-out a new OS not to mention the losses from a learning curve and lower productivity.

For home use then go for it $15 is cheap & enjoy, but first make certain all your stuff works.
 
[citation][nom]Wolygon[/nom]After reading all the rediculous rage, from what seems like everyone, I decided to try W8 out. ~ Install classic shell like I run on W7, boots straight to the desktop if I want. Now I've got the best of both worlds./off topic[/citation] Call bull on that, MS stripped out the ability to go straight into desktop from power up.
 
[citation][nom]Rockstar_7[/nom]Windows 8 isnt worth the money for gaming, is it?[/citation]

If you don't like it when things run faster, or if you like to live in the past, no.

Otherwise, every single new version of windows since 95 (I don't count ME, it didn't exist) has been a worthwhile upgrade. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know enough to be giving an informed opinion in the first place, or just like free rides on bandwagons, especially hate bandwagons.

 
[citation][nom]jaquith[/nom]Oh yeah then see what Desktop OS most major companies are running now. It's still XP.[/citation]

99% of the time it's because they're using old software. Full stop. It has nothing to do with XP being better, in fact most of my clients who still run on XP hate the fact that they have to stick with it in order to operate. Many of my clients have been making the switch to Windows 7 for over a year now because critical apps are either being delivered via citrix or have gone web-based. Also, in general businesses skip OS releases for the reasons you mentioned. It's too costly to certify every OS and every service pack... So, of course most are going to skip Windows 8.

Companies who care about their IT infrastructure are not still stuck with XP/Server 2000.
 
super d spamalot knows nothing much about computers.
Windows NT 4.0 was a nightmare, even thou it was an improvement over the barf known as NT 3.x. Windows 3.x and below are NOT Operating Systems.

Windows95 was almost pure crap, Plug N Pray... but yeah, it did get better with patches. Win98 was easily better. Win98SE was good enough to last till 2004. By then WinXP was at SP2 and the current technology wasn't being utilized with Win9x.

With was a buggy turd that was squeezed out of Microsoft. SP2 makes it stable, but its defects are always there.

Show me actual data to show Win8 is faster? It isn't... other than its boot up. Yeah yeah, my dual core HD Win8 notebook will boot up faster than my Quad Core desktop with an SSD.
But for copying files or gaming... no. Check out this site: www.techspot.com/review/561-windows8-vs-windows7/page3.html Of course, I want to see more detailed reviews from Tomshardware.

So when you and others say "gaming is faster" - its BS or you work for Microsoft.
 
[citation][nom]super d spamalot[/nom]If you don't like it when things run faster, or if you like to live in the past, n😵therwise, every single new version of windows since 95 (I don't count ME, it didn't exist) has been a worthwhile upgrade. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know enough to be giving an informed opinion in the first place, or just like free rides on bandwagons, especially hate bandwagons.[/citation]
Okay, it's posts like these that have me convinced that Microsoft shills are paid to trawl forums across the Internet for opportunities to try to define the conversation about Windows 8.

As is so often found in what passes for political debate in the world we live in today, an attempt is being made to couch the subject in terms of a simple dichotomy. Either you think that Windows 8 is awesome and you should totally want to upgrade, or you are stuck in the past and hopelessly anachronistic. What's delightful about this framing of the issue is that it completely ignores the real controversy over Windows 8 and the design philosophy that it stands for.

Before Windows 8, Microsoft didn't tell you what you could and couldn't do with your computer. Sure, they made a desultory attempt to keep you from pirating other Microsoft products, but as anyone who has tried to use Office 2007 without paying for it knows, these efforts amounted to little more than minor inconvenience to anyone who knew what they were doing. Other software manufacturers were left to their own devices. And anyone running Windows was free to install whatever free or paid software they wanted without Microsoft having the slightest bit of say in the matter.

That's because, up until Windows 8, Microsoft understood that their customer was the end user. And other software manufacturers had to deal with it, because of their overwhelming market share. And all this is great for end users. We were free to use our computers however we liked, exactly as it should be.

With Windows 8, though, Microsoft is taking an entirely different tact. All rhetoric about "Windows 8 runs anything Windows 7 can" aside, The User Interface Formerly Known As Metro has one overarching goal in mind: within the confines of the Windows-8-style-interface, end users (Microsoft's former customers) no longer have the last word in what they can run on their machine. Microsoft has complete veto power over the "Metro" interface. The "Desktop App" is included in an attempt to placate "Old Fogies" like me, and the argument is always, "Don't worry, you can still do everything you could do before."

But make no mistake about it. Microsoft has only one endgame in mind: the ultimate eradication of "legacy apps" and the obsolescing of any software that doesn't run under Metro. Maybe it'll come in Windows 9. Maybe it'll come in Windows 10. But there will come a day when the only software you can run in Windows will be software you buy directly through Microsoft. And honestly, most people won't even care. They won't care that they have surrendered all of their freedom. They probably won't even care that Microsoft has veto power over what kinds of programs can run on their machine.

People won't understand (most people today already don't understand) that the great gift of modern computing is (or was) the ability to try anything, to solve any problem, to accomplish anything that their hardware tools are capable of. Well, nobody but a few angry, bitter Linux-using holdouts, if Microsoft and Apple don't come up with a way to leverage their patent portfolios to squash Linux development.

So don't tell me this is a simple choice between an old-fashioned interface and the new hotness, or that people who don't want Windows 8 are automatically disqualified by their opinion to have a opinion on the matter. This is about the future of computing, this is about freedom, this is about power and control. And the people who don't understand that are the ones who need to stop and think about what they think they know about computers, about information, about technology, and about freedom. They need to take a long hard look at where information technology came from, where it is now, and where it will go in the future.

Because Windows 8 makes it clear that Microsoft sees the future of computing as one in which they get to tell you what you get to do with your computer. And if that's something you're okay with, then I doubt that anything I say can change your mind about it. But the promise of technology, like the promise of personal liberty, is that you get to decide for yourself what you can do.
 
[citation][nom]Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer[/nom]Okay, it's posts like these that have me convinced that Microsoft shills are paid to trawl forums across the Internet for opportunities to try to define the conversation about Windows 8.As is so often found in what passes for political debate in the world we live in today, an attempt is being made to couch the subject in terms of a simple dichotomy. Either you think that Windows 8 is awesome and you should totally want to upgrade, or you are stuck in the past and hopelessly anachronistic. What's delightful about this framing of the issue is that it completely ignores the real controversy over Windows 8 and the design philosophy that it stands for.Before Windows 8, Microsoft didn't tell you what you could and couldn't do with your computer. Sure, they made a desultory attempt to keep you from pirating other Microsoft products, but as anyone who has tried to use Office 2007 without paying for it knows, these efforts amounted to little more than minor inconvenience to anyone who knew what they were doing. Other software manufacturers were left to their own devices. And anyone running Windows was free to install whatever free or paid software they wanted without Microsoft having the slightest bit of say in the matter.That's because, up until Windows 8, Microsoft understood that their customer was the end user. And other software manufacturers had to deal with it, because of their overwhelming market share. And all this is great for end users. We were free to use our computers however we liked, exactly as it should be.With Windows 8, though, Microsoft is taking an entirely different tact. All rhetoric about "Windows 8 runs anything Windows 7 can" aside, The User Interface Formerly Known As Metro has one overarching goal in mind: within the confines of the Windows-8-style-interface, end users (Microsoft's former customers) no longer have the last word in what they can run on their machine. Microsoft has complete veto power over the "Metro" interface. The "Desktop App" is included in an attempt to placate "Old Fogies" like me, and the argument is always, "Don't worry, you can still do everything you could do before."But make no mistake about it. Microsoft has only one endgame in mind: the ultimate eradication of "legacy apps" and the obsolescing of any software that doesn't run under Metro. Maybe it'll come in Windows 9. Maybe it'll come in Windows 10. But there will come a day when the only software you can run in Windows will be software you buy directly through Microsoft. And honestly, most people won't even care. They won't care that they have surrendered all of their freedom. They probably won't even care that Microsoft has veto power over what kinds of programs can run on their machine.People won't understand (most people today already don't understand) that the great gift of modern computing is (or was) the ability to try anything, to solve any problem, to accomplish anything that their hardware tools are capable of. Well, nobody but a few angry, bitter Linux-using holdouts, if Microsoft and Apple don't come up with a way to leverage their patent portfolios to squash Linux development.So don't tell me this is a simple choice between an old-fashioned interface and the new hotness, or that people who don't want Windows 8 are automatically disqualified by their opinion to have a opinion on the matter. This is about the future of computing, this is about freedom, this is about power and control. And the people who don't understand that are the ones who need to stop and think about what they think they know about computers, about information, about technology, and about freedom. They need to take a long hard look at where information technology came from, where it is now, and where it will go in the future.Because Windows 8 makes it clear that Microsoft sees the future of computing as one in which they get to tell you what you get to do with your computer. And if that's something you're okay with, then I doubt that anything I say can change your mind about it. But the promise of technology, like the promise of personal liberty, is that you get to decide for yourself what you can do.[/citation]

For starters. I don't work for Microsoft. Never have and never will. I work with their products every day though, and have been for over 10 years. I don't defend them here because I'm getting paid to do it or because I have any special love for Windows 8, I do it because there are a TON of ignorant and/or misinformed people here and I want to set the record straight. I've done the same where I work. Tons of IT people I work closely had the same ginormous hate boner for W8 that most people here do, but after showing them where and why they were misinformed, I've turned a number of people around. I've been using W8 on all of my PCs since the consumer preview and I find it difficult to go back to my W7 laptop at work now.... So yeah, I'm about as much of a Microsoft shill and you are a Linux shill (Let's face it, you have quite the agenda poking out under your alien abduction sized tin foil hat).

Microsoft is NOT Apple. Apple hates developers. They hate that people might come in and show people how to do things better or differently. Microsoft has ALWAYS been on the side of the developer and there is no way in any of the seven hells that they're going to close Windows as a development platform. It just wouldn't make sense. Windows 8 RT is going to be closed because of it's innate hardware limitations. You can't upgrade a tablet, so you have to make sure there are software standards in place that make it so system requirements don't fly out of control and make the device useless. It's the same reason why XBOX and Playstation games have such an insane approval process. Console game development has been a devastatingly closed development and distribution system for YEARS and yet PC gaming and indie gaming flourishes like never before.

Metro exists for one purpose. To unify the Windows design language on every single platform. Desktop, laptop, smartphone and tablet are all going to look the same and have similar features (Obviously Windows Phone and Windows RT are going to be more closed off for the reasons I mentioned above). The Windows Store exists to supply the Phone and RT devices with a place to get apps from. Just like Google Play, Blackberry marketplace, XBOX live, etc, etc, etc. Why is the Windows Store on Desktop/Laptop? Because why shouldn't you have the option to have the same apps on your PC as you do your tablet? Can you use your android apps on your PC? Can you use your XBOX apps on your PC? Wouldn't you like to? I know I would.

Microsoft has never once hinted that they intend to end Windows as an open and free development platform and Windows 8 is most definitely -NOT- an indication that they intend to do so. It's always been an open source wet dream for Microsoft to shun their vast developer network in such a way, so I can see why this is the automatic view you've taken, but it's wrong. Very wrong. The Enterprise market would leave Microsoft in about 5 seconds if they even dabbled with such idiocy and I can bet you that Microsoft makes far more money from the Enterprise market then they ever would from some idiotic mobile app store.

I will say this, though. If you're right? I agree with you. I would jump ship to Linux in about five seconds if Microsoft turned Windows into iOS mk2. It's never. Never. NEVER going to happen though, so there is no point getting all conspiracy theory about it. If it's still not your cup of tea, that's awesome, but don't go around saying the sky is falling unless you're trapped under a fallen cloud, yeah?


 
[citation][nom]super d spamalot[/nom]For starters. I don't work for Microsoft.[/citation] Are you an idiot? Was it really necessary to quote the ENTIRE post? Especially since your RESPONSE was directly blow his?! You can EDIT quoted posts, see the above.

[citation][nom]super d spamalot[/nom]Microsoft is NOT Apple. Apple hates developers.[/citation] Apple doesn't hate developers. They have more apps than anyone else. Theres about 3000 fart apps for WP7... many of them repeats to fluff up their "app count". Microsoft wants to be Apple - very profitable. And their angle is to have control of the computer.

[citation][nom]super d spamalot[/nom]Metro exists for one purpose. To unify the Windows design language on every single platform.[/citation] Unify into the lowest common denominator. a 4" screen cell phone. Windows R8PE looks like shit on a 24" screen, everything is GIGANTIC, a waste of space, crappy interface... and desktop mode is butt-ugly. As unoriginal and stupid as the 2012 London Olympics Logo. (Rio's 2016 - THAT is a logo!)

[citation][nom]super d spamalot[/nom]MS has never once hinted that they intend to end Windows as an open and free development/ I would jump ship to Linux in about five seconds if Microsoft turned Windows into iOS mk2. It's never. Never. NEVER going to happen [/citation] Better get your life-raft then. There is no "Windows 9" planned... next OS release is in two years.

Notice how HARD MS has changed Win8 to be the bastard OS that it is? To rip out everything that is "classic" other than enough to run legacy programs on the desktop.

THERE IS NO NEED for WINDOWS anymore. This is the transition for Microsoft's survival for the future. I'm starting my migration to Liniux next year, step 1 - remove Win8 from notebook, Step 2 - install LinuxMint on notebook, get used to it. Step 3 - in 1-2 years, remove Windows7. I'll keep my Linux Desktop, my Android phone and my apple ipad4. I already told my son "Sorry, I will never ever buy an xbox. I'll get you a PS4".

Linux : No keys, no activation... and truly free from any corporate control.
 
[citation][nom]Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer[/nom]Before Windows 8, Microsoft didn't tell you what you could and couldn't do with your computer. Sure, they made a desultory attempt to keep you from pirating other Microsoft products~[/citation] Actually they do. Read the EULA. By using Windows since XP, you have granted MS the rights and permissions to edit or delete ANYTHING on your computer.
Look up: Palladium Microsoft and UCITA

The replacement of BIOS, allows MS to hardcode the OS-KEY into the hardware and could prevent YOU from installing another OS... such as Linux or maybe even an upgrade or downgrade. There are still arguments that it can or cannot.

Another reason for this heavy DRM is Hollywood. Streaming of content directly to your hardware. I don't like the idea of YOUR content tied to your hardware. What if your drives DIE? What if your computer is destroyed or stolen? What if you upgrade? All questions, no clear answers.

[citation][nom]Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer[/nom] Microsoft has only one endgame in mind: the ultimate eradication of "legacy apps" and the obsolescing of any software that doesn't run under Metro. Maybe it'll come in Windows 9. Maybe it'll come in Windows 10.[/citation] Little birds are already telling us there is no Windows 9 in the next OS release in 2 years. Remember, Metro can run WITHOUT legacy Windows. WART devices can run the same Metro Apps as any x86 device. An App that runs on the WP8 phone runs on WART tablet runs on Win8 desktops in metro mode. So the plan is to jettison legacy.

I can see SOME good in doing so. Imagine how much faster an MS-OS device can be without the gigabytes of legacy 98x/NT code. MS wants to be more apple-like, have control of what runs... make money. Windows OS has no long-term future. Look at what YOU/we use today. How many of us have NON-MS devices? Android phones, iOS tablets... Unless I'm playing an old game, photoshop or Dreamweaver - my iPad can do pretty much everything I need. Access the web.

What do you think your typical computer user thinks of this? They DON'T know or care how a computer works. As long as they get mail, IM and facebook - they are golden.

[citation][nom]Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer[/nom]Well, nobody but a few angry, bitter Linux-using holdouts, if Microsoft and Apple don't come up with a way to leverage their patent portfolios to squash Linux development.[/citation] Huh? Is that some sort of hatred for Linux? Apple and MS have nothing on Linux. Any code that finds it way in (due to sloppiness or transfer of IP) tends to ripped out faster than you can wipe your butt. Look what happened when Oracle stuck their dick into OpenOffice when they bought out Sun. Pretty much the entire support group walked out, created the LibreOffice fork. OpenOffice was dead instantly... so much so that Oracle gave OpenOffice to Apache. Now most of those same people are going back to the original OpenOffice and continue development - including for the Android platform. You talk about "free do do what you want on your computer" - the only OS that does that *IS* Linux.

[citation][nom]Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer[/nom]But the promise of technology, like the promise of personal liberty, is that you get to decide for yourself what you can do. [/citation] With such thought, you should be using or look at using Linux. When I went MS-OS from Amiga, it was a necessarily evil for making a living. Going to Windows XP/7 - there is an understanding for the standard and stability that a loss of control is part of the package. More so than Apple.

The day I installed Windows 8 (R8PE) on a spare computer, it was hours later that I downloaded and installed LinuxMint on the same computer (different HD). Off the bat, I like LinuxMint over Metro/Win8.
LinuxMint is designed for novices, people from the Windows world to use. Download the Cinnamon version (they have different flavors for different needs/market).

Here are the PROs of Linux:
1 - Its FREE
2 - No 25-character serial key
3 - No upgrade, no retail, no OEM, no-BS versions.
4 - Constant upgrades, usually on a 6 month cycle.
5 - Lots of free software to use.
6 - Can use WINE to run many Windows programs (Wine Is Not an Emulator), if needed.
7 - No cryptic EULA
8 - No activation
9 - Free to do with it that you want or capable of doing.
10 - LinuxMint defaults a Windows "My Documents" folder for novices.

Cons of Linux:
1 - 3D Gaming support is crap (In a world in which AAA games on on consoles, not a loss)
2 - Windows Programs in WINE either run a bit faster, a bit more slower or don't work at all.
3 - Different CLI structure from MS. But for those who don't go into CLI anyway - it makes no difference, eh?
4 - No MS-Office native support. (You can run Office 365 or use WINE) or TurboTax and other specialized software... including Adobe, which would really help Linux explode. * Steam is coming to Linux.
5 - No standard Linux OS - it doesn't matter too much. But its understandable scary. But hey, Metro is nothing like Windows7 or XP - so standards just don't matter anymore.


Seriously, considering how DIFFERENT Metro wants you to use a computer, why bother? Just go Linux.

There is the marketing phrase for Windows7 that MS forgot: "Windows 7, works the way you want". Now its : "Windows 8, don't fight the rape".
 
[citation][nom]belardo[/nom]I give things idiotic pseudonyms like Windows R8PE, so I'm not really worth quoting[/citation]

No, I'm not an idiot. Yes it was necessary. Yes I know how to edit quotes. It's an internet comment board though, so who cares? I guess if your goal is to insult someone right out of the gate over frivolities, then carry on.

Metro looks just fine on my 24 inch monitors. If you don't like it that's fine I guess, but that's hardly a reason to hate an entire OS. Desktop mode looks... Exactly the same as it does in Windows 7, minus the start button, so.... I really have no idea what you're getting at there aside from a clear case of basely blind Microsoft hatred... Oh, sorry, Micro$oft.. or M$. Don't want to speak above your head.

Provide sources on your claim that there will be no next version of Windows. You're the first person I've heard say anything of the sort, and your credibility is fairly suspect.

Nothing has been ripped out for Windows 8. It's exactly the same OS as Windows has always been with numerous improvements and enhancements. Metro is only a small part of it, and like most people who don't have a clue, that's the only part you've chosen to focus your hate parade on.

Seriously though, enjoy Linux. I have nothing against it and for some things it's just fine. So... Yeah, good luck in your world of black and white where one thing is good and everything else deserves ignorant hate filled diatribes that serve zero purpose. 😀
 
[citation][nom]super d spamalot[/nom]For starters. I don't work for Microsoft. Never have and never will. I work with their products every day though, and have been for over 10 years. I don't defend them here because I'm getting paid to do it or because I have any special love for Windows 8, I do it because there are a TON of ignorant and/or misinformed people here and I want to set the record straight. I've done the same where I work. Tons of IT people I work closely had the same ginormous hate boner for W8 that most people here do, but after showing them where and why they were misinformed, I've turned a number of people around. I've been using W8 on all of my PCs since the consumer preview and I find it difficult to go back to my W7 laptop at work now.... So yeah, I'm about as much of a Microsoft shill and you are a Linux shill (Let's face it, you have quite the agenda poking out under your alien abduction sized tin foil hat).[/citation]
Well, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you when you say you don't work for Microsoft...it isn't outside the realm of possibility that you are merely heartbreakingly naïve. I've used Windows 8; I put it on my laptop for a week and then put my Windows 7 hard drive back in. I didn't hate (what was then called) Metro, exactly—in fact, I suppose I would like it well enough if I used it on a tablet—and I didn't have too much trouble using the Metro screen the same way I usually use the Start menu—by hitting Windows and starting to type. I could live with the interface itself.

In contrast, I have used Linux only very little, though I want to spend more time with it—and the reality is that it looks as though I will have plenty of incentive to do so in the coming years. I haven't really had any MAJOR issue with Microsoft until recently. I really like Windows 7. I think it is a great OS. I liked XP before it, hated ME, liked 98, and vaguely remember having fun with 3.1. Granted, when Vista came out, I did buy a Mac, but I was quite ready to return to the fold when Windows 7 was announced.

[citation][nom]super d spamalot[/nom]Microsoft is NOT Apple. Apple hates developers. They hate that people might come in and show people how to do things better or differently. Microsoft has ALWAYS been on the side of the developer and there is no way in any of the seven hells that they're going to close Windows as a development platform. It just wouldn't make sense. Windows 8 RT is going to be closed because of it's innate hardware limitations. You can't upgrade a tablet, so you have to make sure there are software standards in place that make it so system requirements don't fly out of control and make the device useless. It's the same reason why XBOX and Playstation games have such an insane approval process. Console game development has been a devastatingly closed development and distribution system for YEARS and yet PC gaming and indie gaming flourishes like never before.[/citation]
Wait, so your argument that Microsoft is going to allow free and open development in Metro is that they couldn’t possibly do what we already know they do with the Xbox 360? They’ve created a two-tier system where the big development studios that have "proven themselves" get to write whatever they want on a $10,000 dev kit, and everybody else gets to write XBLA games (where releasing a second software patch will cost you $10,000). You don't think they won't consider similar tactics for Metro development? They'll talk about how this creates a better environment for end users, and in the meantime they'll scare off new developers.

You know how Windows development works in Windows 7? You write a program, you test it, and you release it however you want. Then you deliver any patches you need to, as often as you need to, without paying anybody a cent. Which one of those sounds more developer-friendly? And how can you justify the closed nature of Windows 8 RT by talking about hardware limitations? Setting aside the fact that Tegra 3 is comparable in power to a Pentium 4 in terms of processing power—and we didn't have any problems writing programs that ran on Pentium processors—who is Microsoft to tell you what programs you can and cannot write?

For that matter, who is Microsoft to tell you what programs you can and cannot run as an end-user? Even if Microsoft keeps Windows 8 a friendly environment for all developers, what gives them the right to say, "Hey, you can't run that program on your computer"? You bought the operating system. Up until Windows 8, Microsoft has evinced an obligation to the end user, the person who paid for the operating system. Now, Microsoft is making it clear that they don't feel they have an obligation to the end user.

[citation][nom]super d spamalot[/nom]Metro exists for one purpose. To unify the Windows design language on every single platform. Desktop, laptop, smartphone and tablet are all going to look the same and have similar features (Obviously Windows Phone and Windows RT are going to be more closed off for the reasons I mentioned above). The Windows Store exists to supply the Phone and RT devices with a place to get apps from. Just like Google Play, Blackberry marketplace, XBOX live, etc, etc, etc. Why is the Windows Store on Desktop/Laptop? Because why shouldn't you have the option to have the same apps on your PC as you do your tablet? Can you use your android apps on your PC? Can you use your XBOX apps on your PC? Wouldn't you like to? I know I would.[/citation]
All I can say to this is, no, I don't care if smartphone apps run on my computer. I certainly am not willing to sacrifice the openness of my computing environment for such an irrelevant perk. And why should I want my desktop or laptop to offer a similar experience to my smartphone? Frankly, in my experience, "apps" exist to compensate for the inefficiency of the smartphone user interface. It takes about as much time for me to open a new tab on my computer browser and load the Weather Channel website as it does to bring up the app on my phone.

[citation][nom]super d spamalot[/nom]Microsoft has never once hinted that they intend to end Windows as an open and free development platform and Windows 8 is most definitely -NOT- an indication that they intend to do so. It's always been an open source wet dream for Microsoft to shun their vast developer network in such a way, so I can see why this is the automatic view you've taken, but it's wrong. Very wrong. The Enterprise market would leave Microsoft in about 5 seconds if they even dabbled with such idiocy and I can bet you that Microsoft makes far more money from the Enterprise market then they ever would from some idiotic mobile app store.[/citation]
I hardly know what to say in the face of such naïveté. Windows 8 absolutely demonstrates that Microsoft no longer considers openness and freedom an essential part of their operating system. Even if they are completely and totally supportive of developers, their primary obligation is to the people who actually pay for their operating system, whether indirectly through the purchase of a laptop or directly through the purchase of the OS itself. And you can't argue that forcing users to acquire software through their curated store is an act of loyalty to end users. It isn't.

[citation][nom]super d spamalot[/nom]I will say this, though. If you're right? I agree with you. I would jump ship to Linux in about five seconds if Microsoft turned Windows into iOS mk2. It's never. Never. NEVER going to happen though, so there is no point getting all conspiracy theory about it. If it's still not your cup of tea, that's awesome, but don't go around saying the sky is falling unless you're trapped under a fallen cloud, yeah?[/citation]
All I can say is, grab a copy or two of Windows 7 while you still can. I bought three. Worst case scenario, I can spend $40 apiece to upgrade them to Windows 9 if it turns out I'm wrong. But to say that there's no chance that Microsoft is trying to turn Windows into an iOS-like environment is to reveal an absolute lack of awareness of the direction the tech industry is moving in.
 
All you imbeciles bashing Win 8 are P'sOS with your heads up your *ss so far all you can see is your own colon! Been using 8 with 7 as a dual boot for nearly 2 months now and its lightening fast (shutdown in 4 seconds - full boot from off in 25 seconds)! After a modest learning curve the realization of what an awesome, new and better way of doing things on the PC! The rest of you can eat shyt and die!
 
I purchased the windows 8 key through this method back when it was posted, they never sent me a product key it installed it automatically through their assistant. The problem is the windowsupgradeoffer website is now gone and i can't find my product key anymore to do a reinstall after a harddrive crash. Please help
 
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