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ugly/beautiful is a subjective term... it may be ugly to u but not to all people.. i for myself like the metro interface.. it is much cleaner once u get used to it... i have tried windows 8 CP but i cant stand it because of hardware compability ( always freeze when i played games ) then i revert back to windows 7. i really missed the performance of windows 8 compared to win7 ( quicker boot , faster responses, dll ) but becoz i primarily used my pc for gaming, i switched back to 7.
 
They must be moving fast, I just got the link for the RC as a part of the 'beta testing' group too. Not that I have any more plans to download it, since I couldn't stand it from the first alpha I tried out. This is going to be another Windows ME disaster!
 
[citation][nom]redyellowblueblast[/nom]I really am baffled that Microsoft really believes that Windows 8 is going to take off. Its almost as if they are intentionally handing over they're PC desktop/laptop market to Linux. I always expected a Linux take over, but I didn't expect Microsoft to freely hand it over.[/citation]

lol, i hear more people talking of switching over to apple os than linux 😛
but yeah, at least in my opinion there are aspects of the desktop environment that seem purposefully bad.
 
its fast because it's dubbed down for tablets, my biggest gripe is the absence of a close / minimize button on metro apps. and unfortunately the OS will sell well, tablets and phones running x86's will make sure of it.
 
with RAM so cheap these days who want to actually close the app? in windows 7 itself even if u close any app, part of the app itself still stays in the RAM ( notice the 2nd time u launch an app it will be faster than the first time u launch ). so what the difference it makes in windows 8? want to close a metro app? push windows button or windows + D.. u never know when u need to open the app again and it saves time if the app is still in the RAM.. new PC these days come with a standard 2GB of ram and that is plentiful for casual uses.. not many casual people i know open 20+ tabs in firefox/chrome/etc...
 
Oh, and another thing...
This thing still has alot of work to go, it's noticeably more unstable than previous versions >_>

Like, the dang thing crashed on me when it automatically changed the desktop background page and I had a copy of waterfox and IE up at the same time.... wow dude...
 


the dang what? LOL :pt1cable:
 
[citation][nom]beavermml[/nom]with RAM so cheap these days who want to actually close the app? in windows 7 itself even if u close any app, part of the app itself still stays in the RAM ( notice the 2nd time u launch an app it will be faster than the first time u launch ). so what the difference it makes in windows 8? want to close a metro app? push windows button or windows + D.. u never know when u need to open the app again and it saves time if the app is still in the RAM.. new PC these days come with a standard 2GB of ram and that is plentiful for casual uses.. not many casual people i know open 20+ tabs in firefox/chrome/etc...[/citation]

You can have hundreds of tabs open in FF with a mere 2GB of RAM and beyond that, not everyone leaves superfetch and such enabled. I know that I don't. I get my RAM usage as low as reasonably possible so that I can run VMs.
 
[citation][nom]beavermml[/nom]with RAM so cheap these days who want to actually close the app? in windows 7 itself even if u close any app, part of the app itself still stays in the RAM ( notice the 2nd time u launch an app it will be faster than the first time u launch ). so what the difference it makes in windows 8? want to close a metro app? push windows button or windows + D.. u never know when u need to open the app again and it saves time if the app is still in the RAM.. new PC these days come with a standard 2GB of ram and that is plentiful for casual uses.. not many casual people i know open 20+ tabs in firefox/chrome/etc...[/citation]

i want to be able to sit back in my chair and use just my mouse, and not have to lean forward to the keyboard, and i don't like things lingering and slowing down my pc, hence i have your lovely superfetch disabled. I hate the whole concept of leaving all apps running on my phone why would i want the same on my PC.
 
[citation][nom]olaf[/nom]i want to be able to sit back in my chair and use just my mouse, and not have to lean forward to the keyboard, and i don't like things lingering and slowing down my pc, hence i have your lovely superfetch disabled. I hate the whole concept of leaving all apps running on my phone why would i want the same on my PC.[/citation]
AFAIK you can grab the top of a metro app and pull it to them bottom of the screen to shut it down, takes about the same time as trying to hit that small X in the corner. Metro apps in the background shouldn't affect your computers performance (much), as they are indeed not running in the background ( but some may periodically update ).
 
[citation][nom]olaf[/nom]i want to be able to sit back in my chair and use just my mouse, and not have to lean forward to the keyboard, and i don't like things lingering and slowing down my pc, hence i have your lovely superfetch disabled. I hate the whole concept of leaving all apps running on my phone why would i want the same on my PC.[/citation]

lol.. with metro u dont need to use keyboard also. just hover the mouse to top/bottom left corner and u will give a list for what to choose.. return to start, list of app currently running, etc.. it just take time to learn.. much like vista/xp when it comes out..

from my viewpoint, win8 is much more suitable for casual users than for professional users ( majority in Toms )
 
and how the hell superfetch slowing down your PC?

http://blog.tune-up.com/myth-buster/myth-busted-why-disabling-superfetch-on-vista-and-windows-7-is-a-bad-idea/
 
[citation][nom]NiPPonD3nZ0[/nom]I would give it a go, but as a Portuguese, I would like to see a real PORTUGUESE (From Portugal, not that Brazillian crap) out for a change…[/citation]

It's high time for Portugal to stop speaking like they did 500 years ago. The Portuguese spoken in Portugal sounds horrible, with all its hisses and other unpleasant sounds. If Brazilians have done one thing right it was to improve on the language, which sounds much clearer and open (more like Italian), and way more modern. Keep whining.
 
I like it...It's going to be popular not the dud people are saying it will. There will be a small learning curve with this os...
 
A friend of mine bought one of those HP AIO touchscreen systems for an excellent price. The used the touch-screen for a week or so and simply use it like a normal computer.

I think METRO is important to Microsoft's future. Windows code is sloppy, old and never good to begin with. When/if Metro becomes standard, they can phase out of DOS/Windows legacy... and they need to.

Their PROBLEM is that they should have made Metro Desktop UI different than tablet/phones - while maintaining the ability to run the same APP. I admit I've yet to actually play with Win8 (I'm DLing it right now) - but I see some problems... full-screen APPS sounds like a pain. I *DO* love Metro as a Phone OS, it kicks android in the balls. (I run WP7 Launcher on my Android phone)

I'll run Win8 on a spare test dual-core PC I have.

Microsoft makes money by selling a lot of product. A few angry tech people is not their concern when most humans can barely handle the concept of turning on a computer. That is their target.

In reality, the importance of Windows OS has devalued severely these past few years - mostly by the hand of Microsoft (Vista / Xbox360). Think about it: There is *NOTHING* I can't do on XP than can be done on Windows7 - other than a few DX10 games. By all means, I run Win7 on all my desktops and most of my clients... its great for notebooks. Best Windows yet! But in reality... both will run Office 2010, browse the web, play games and view porn.

With MS not making ANY games for PC, just the 360. And ALL AAA title games are for consoles with scraps being thrown to us PC users... and many of those are no better than the Console versions. Who needs Windows for games? Eventually, who needs a $500 gaming card?

MS Office comes in PC and Mac flavors... but also Office365 means it'll run on ANYTHING. All adobe products are PC/Mac. The browser is the most used program on any computer.

So in the end... why *DO* we need a Microsoft OS? I think MS will chase off more techies into Linux or Apple. Don't want to buy a $1500~4000 Mac, build your own desktop and install Linux - its $0~30 vs. MS's rip-off $100~150 "upgrade" versions of $200~350 retail versions - with less limitations. MS makes us go through loops dealing with keys, # of installs / re-installs / update versions / DL versions.
Apple sells a 5-user upgrade of their OS for $50.... wow.

I'm not saying Linux is going to destroy MS... but MS will simply lose market share. Hence their strangle hold on Windows8 requirement to LOCK onto motherboards (No Linux for you). Yep, they are out to block Linux on the hardware level.

So... looking long term, the desktop computer *is* dead for mainstream. Metro is their tool for which to maintain some power in the Desktop/notebook market and the future growing mobile one. It makes sense. Remember, Windows no longer has much value. Many of us can happily use Win7 for the next 5-10 years.
 
[citation][nom]TheBigTroll[/nom]my school computers still run prescott p4s or conroe p4s. either one, they have do downgrade all the newer compuers to xp sp3.[/citation]

The elementary school my son goes to uses Windows7 and Office 2010 (overkill).
 
I downloaded last night and rolled back to win 7 very quickly. It gave me massive compatibility issues forcing me to re-install win 7. I had been running Win 8 Consumer Preview and liked it for the most part but was hoping that Release Preview would just fix a few nagging issues that bothered me about Win 8 (a few compatibility issues with my games like LA Noire). But this was a massive regression. AMD Catalyst wouldn't recognise my GPU, my USB network adapter drivers failed to install, and worst of all, it never told me about any such compatibility issues. The consumer preview during the early versions warned about my network adapter not working at that time which was sort of important since a wired connection is fairly hard to wire to my room. I hope MS gets their act in order. I mean Win 8 could be great with a few tweaks (new sidebar pops up from top or bottom of screen vs side, improved work on compatibility, less imposing apps design (the video app won't let you just watch a video in the corner of the screen and dim other things a bit but instead, blocks the entire screen with the video >.>)). Doesn't MS realise that people multi-task today? I'm not quite calling it but, we'll see where MS takes it and if they can refine it a bit. That said, it boots fast and is very responsive but the UI isn't quite where it needs to be.
 
I just tried Ubuntu for the first time few weeks ago and now have it on three of my computers. I'm just about done with Windows. Ubuntu does 90% of everything I need.

For folks like my parents, it's a 100% replacement solution imho. All they need is a good browser, skype, and occasional work processing.
 
[citation][nom]belardo[/nom]A friend of mine bought one of those HP AIO touchscreen systems for an excellent price. The used the touch-screen for a week or so and simply use it like a normal computer.I think METRO is important to Microsoft's future. Windows code is sloppy, old and never good to begin with. When/if Metro becomes standard, they can phase out of DOS/Windows legacy... and they need to.Their PROBLEM is that they should have made Metro Desktop UI different than tablet/phones - while maintaining the ability to run the same APP. I admit I've yet to actually play with Win8 (I'm DLing it right now) - but I see some problems... full-screen APPS sounds like a pain. I *DO* love Metro as a Phone OS, it kicks android in the balls. (I run WP7 Launcher on my Android phone)I'll run Win8 on a spare test dual-core PC I have.Microsoft makes money by selling a lot of product. A few angry tech people is not their concern when most humans can barely handle the concept of turning on a computer. That is their target.In reality, the importance of Windows OS has devalued severely these past few years - mostly by the hand of Microsoft (Vista / Xbox360). Think about it: There is *NOTHING* I can't do on XP than can be done on Windows7 - other than a few DX10 games. By all means, I run Win7 on all my desktops and most of my clients... its great for notebooks. Best Windows yet! But in reality... both will run Office 2010, browse the web, play games and view porn.With MS not making ANY games for PC, just the 360. And ALL AAA title games are for consoles with scraps being thrown to us PC users... and many of those are no better than the Console versions. Who needs Windows for games? Eventually, who needs a $500 gaming card?MS Office comes in PC and Mac flavors... but also Office365 means it'll run on ANYTHING. All adobe products are PC/Mac. The browser is the most used program on any computer.So in the end... why *DO* we need a Microsoft OS? I think MS will chase off more techies into Linux or Apple. Don't want to buy a $1500~4000 Mac, build your own desktop and install Linux - its $0~30 vs. MS's rip-off $100~150 "upgrade" versions of $200~350 retail versions - with less limitations. MS makes us go through loops dealing with keys, # of installs / re-installs / update versions / DL versions.Apple sells a 5-user upgrade of their OS for $50.... wow.I'm not saying Linux is going to destroy MS... but MS will simply lose market share. Hence their strangle hold on Windows8 requirement to LOCK onto motherboards (No Linux for you). Yep, they are out to block Linux on the hardware level.So... looking long term, the desktop computer *is* dead for mainstream. Metro is their tool for which to maintain some power in the Desktop/notebook market and the future growing mobile one. It makes sense. Remember, Windows no longer has much value. Many of us can happily use Win7 for the next 5-10 years.[/citation]

You can run DX10 on XP with third party hacks. Supposedly, you can also use DX11, but I haven't tested that one. Also, have you not tried ICS or are you saying that the older Android systems are junk compared to WP7? ICS is not junk in comparison to WP7, so that's what I have to assume. Also, Windows Vista/7 have already abandoned support for a lot of older code. The x64 versions have no 16 bit support at all. Windows is still bloated simply because MS seems to have no clue about hot to clean up the mess that they've built up.

[citation][nom]stingray71[/nom]I just tried Ubuntu for the first time few weeks ago and now have it on three of my computers. I'm just about done with Windows. Ubuntu does 90% of everything I need.For folks like my parents, it's a 100% replacement solution imho. All they need is a good browser, skype, and occasional work processing.[/citation]

Ubuntu is the most prevalent version of Linux, but I'll say right now that it is not the best nor is it even close.

[citation][nom]TheBigTroll[/nom]my school computers still run prescott p4s or conroe p4s. either one, they have do downgrade all the newer compuers to xp sp3.[/citation]

Conroe is Core 2, not P4.
 
[citation][nom]stingray71[/nom]I just tried Ubuntu for the first time few weeks ago and now have it on three of my computers. I'm just about done with Windows. Ubuntu does 90% of everything I need.For folks like my parents, it's a 100% replacement solution imho. All they need is a good browser, skype, and occasional work processing.[/citation]

try fedora.. although it's personal preference i dislike "unity" just as much as i dislike metro.
here's my setup with just gnome3 plus gnome extensions (which you can't use on ubuntu while you're using unity); imo it's a bit more practical and feels a heck of a lot nicer.
http://imgur.com/a/XKFh3

i'd like you to note however that i used windows too, i think making the best of both operating systems is the way to go in most realistic situations, if you don't like windows 8, you should at least try to keep windows 7 installed in such a way that you can dual boot both operating systems. hope this helps
 
[citation][nom]jdwii[/nom]Windows Me was for consumers and windows 2000 was for businesses, windows 8 is for tablets. Microsoft wont say it but it is. I really wont ever understand why people think this is going to be a great success on tablets when most tablets come with ARM installed and no one wants to use windows unless their current software works on it and it wont since Arm is not compatible with x86, Not to mention Microsoft is years behind Apple's marketing team and app store. Android is also ahead of Microsoft on this as well. Businesses are most likely going to skip 8 not only because of metro but also because their just now getting 7. Businesses will not want to train users on how to use metro so new computers shipped with 8 will be downgraded to 7 when it comes to schools and businesses. Now when it comes to desktops and Laptops their is no need for Metro not only does it look Ugly it also takes longer to do the most simple tasks that Windows 7-XP can do quickly. For example going to the control panel or my computer or even just shutting down your own PC takes more time. As for saying you can download this 3rd party software or that is complete BS, This is not Linux this is windows maybe on Linux its OK to just search Google and tweak your OS but for a windows environment that cost money this is completely unacceptable, Microsoft needs to Liston to their fans.(you know the businesses and users who been buying their OS since windows 3.1)Like Vista, Windows 8 includes new features that are hard to hate such as the new task manager, ISO compatibility(out of the box!), Quicker boot-up and shut-down times, And their is some extra stuff as well, but again like vista this is going to be a failure across the board with only extreme Microsoft fans who will support it but also it will be a learning experience for Microsoft.[/citation]

That's funny cause I can get to the control panel, my computer, etc in one to two clicks.
 
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