Windows 8 Will Be Less Demanding of Update Restarts

[shompa]

[citation][nom]Camikazi[/nom]Because critical updates are usually updating files the OS needs to run and can't just change them on the fly maybe? That is what those updates are for and reboots for those are expected, now normal non important little updates shouldn't always require reboots.[/citation]

But you know that real OSes can update these files on fly? Its windows idiotic filesystem that hinders that.
For example: look at an AVI file and windows using an application. Try to move the AVI file at the same time. You can't do that. Somehow you can on all other OSes then Windows.

The main reason for all idiotic reboots are windows registry that needs to be updated. Registry that needs to die and disappear from computing forever.

But people don't understand and think this is normal, that viruses are normal and that malware are normal. Somehow real OSes that have been around since 1960 still have 0 of those issues. That OS is installed in over 700 million devices and computers.

 

[hoofhearted]

[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]i have xp, a legit copy. i got so sick up updating the os, that i disabled it, but o no, i cant do that without windows complaining to me with a pop up and a big red shield.[/citation]

FIY, You can disable the shield too

 

[hoofhearted]

I don't care if it is super-duper-dupity-duper critical.

Informing me via pop-up or bubble is kind of intrusive, but I can see it as necessary.

Forcing the action is just unacceptable.

 

[Guest]

What I took from this was that Microsoft sends reports of what settings you've made to your computer every time you update. Anybody who thinks they only take your update settings is naive or delusional, I'd be willing to bet they take some pretty deep metrics of what files you have and what you've done to your PC, and then put it in a nice database that they or any of their cronies can peruse.

Another good reason to try Ubuntu.

 

[kinggremlin]

[citation][nom]dontknownotsure[/nom]haha that's like changing car wheel without stopping[/citation]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WLwRg3erm4

 

[Guest]

first thing I do on any windows is disable windows updates, my firewalls, software and dns servers stop all harmful attacks

 

[DRosencraft]

Okay, I've had Win7 ultimate on my laptop and desktops for nearly two years now. I've had every update download and have it set to ask me before restarting to complete updates. I've only had to restart my computer a handful of times over these two years. I've never had an update force my computer restart while in a game. My question is, of those people whining about how often they've got to restart after an update, are you actually using Win7 or are you just repeating popular Windows rants? Can Windows do something to eliminate restarts completely? Thats a possibilty perhaps. But is it that much of a problem? Seriously, i've never seen anyone have a real problem with it, to the point that this hardly seems like a worthwhile change to make to the OS.

 

[clonazepam]

I disable update checking, and check manually once a week, or whenever I care to remember. I don't think we'll ever have a repeat of 2004-2005 blaster, etc. Yeah I'm taking a risk but I don't care. Anything important is already saved to an inexpensive NAS.

 

[livebriand]

Personally, I'd like the way Windows 7 does it, except with a "Shut up as I'll restart when I'm damn well ready" option in the box that asks me to restart (or better yet, none at all, though have it update when I shutdown as usual), and don't have that box automatically restart in 15 minutes unless I tell it to go away (what if I'm rendering video or something and not at the machine)? I kept the default update setting, but I changed the key that's NoAutoRestartWithLoggedOnUsers or whatever so at least I don't have to worry about it.

I've also heard of how the machine might boot up when it's off to install updates and then shut down, so there's no risk of lost data. What if it's a laptop that, when off, is put in a case or something (that would be bad), or maybe isn't plugged in when off (that's exactly what I do, if it's off and the battery is charged I unplug it to save energy)? And with my desktop, I turn off its' power strip when off to save some energy, so it'll never get to install updates with that solution, EVER.

Also, the new metro UI sucks ass. If I ever get Windows 8, disabling the metro UI will be the first thing I do (before even installing drivers). Hopefully they'll disable that unless you have a tablet. (even then, I would still disable it)

 

[livebriand]

[citation][nom]LuckyDucky7[/nom]If I see a ticking bar telling me that the system is going to restart whether or not I like it, I'm going to go into Task Manager, and kill that defective process and its shutdown initiation.[/citation]
Unfortunately, with W2K and XP, I've tried killing the windows update process when it kept begging to restart (tell it NO, I'm not restarting, and it'll show up 5 minutes later until you get so fed up you just do it), and it immediately restarted it. Maybe I need to open up services.msc and disable the windows update service then...

 

[livebriand]

In the dialog begging me to reboot, here's what I click (if I remember the options correctly):
Nag in 10 minutes: 0%
30 minutes: 0%
1 hour: 0%
4 hours: 100%
Restart now: 0%

If there was an option to have it shut up for a week, I would use it. I'll restart when I feel like it, which is typically on a daily basis anyway.

 

[danraies]

The fact that windows is reducing the amount of automatic restarts or prolonging the amount of time they give you to restart is basically just insulting. It's like they're saying "we know you don't like it, and we know there's no reason for it, but we're going to just restart your computer automatically anyway. We're tired of hearing you complain, though, so here's a little tiny change to placate you." I understand that updates need a restart to work properly (in Windows). Just give me a notification and let me restart when it's convenient for me. Don't ever automatically restart my computer under any circumstances ever.

 

[clonazepam]

I lost count how many times Linux requested a restart from critical updates.

 

[SteelCity1981]

Not to mention when you have to restart at times you may get a update that was canceled or it failed for some god knows reason and you have to update it again. So you do what ms says and it still doesn't work at times. yes those restarts are sure helpful.

 

[DaveUK]

I have never understood why it needs to pop-under with that stupid update restart box in the first place. I normally get to catch it but if I'm doing some lengthy work or gaming it sometimes gets missed and my system restarts by itself at the most inopportune time. I really cannot see why a simply dialogue box for the user to click manually is not sufficient - plus perhaps a reminder on login/logout. Personally I'd rather restart again when I first log in than get a nasty surprise during my working day.

This is actually the only part of Windows 7 that I actually think is stupidly designed, so I'm glad they are reviewing it for Windows 8.

I have personally never been a fan of manual updates, for anything - and I am what most would consider a windows 'power user'. I've been building PCs for almost 20 years and began with Windows 3.11 - and I personally feel being able to leave my modern internet-facing system to update its security and OS automatically is great. Just cut the random forced restarts please, Microsoft!

 

[alextheblue]

[citation][nom]boju[/nom]I thought you could option any windows to only apply updates during your next restart. Meaning even after a critical update, the system wont initialise the final installation until your computer is next turned on.[/citation]I think most users are going to be better off finishing what they were doing, and then restarting or powering down. Most updates are very quick anyway.[citation][nom]shompa[/nom]But people don't understand and think this is normal, that viruses are normal and that malware are normal. Somehow real OSes that have been around since 1960 still have 0 of those issues. That OS is installed in over 700 million devices and computers.[/citation]You're delusional.[citation][nom]crazypcman[/nom]first thing I do on any windows is disable windows updates, my firewalls, software and dns servers stop all harmful attacks[/citation]You're insane. Why wouldn't you want to close as many holes as possible? Firewalls, hardware or software, all can have vulnerabilities. Fixing known security flaws is only beneficial, and its not that difficult to patch if you don't let them pile up.

 

[tomfreak]

How about integrating an assistant that is Far more powerful/intelligent than Apple SIRI that utilize the awesome CPU from x86 Intel/AMD?

Without this it wont sell.

 

[bin1127]

Don't you get to choose an update schedule? If you choose to update on the 1st of every month then you will be ready, in control, and still be pretty secure.

 

[techguy378]

[citation][nom]shuffman37[/nom]Yupp, Ubuntu (linux) can do that. I run Windows 7 because of my gaming needs but Ubuntu can be patched on the fly and kernel "restarted" without turning off the pc. Pretty cool if you ask me. But, Linux was written to be flexible and user controlled, Windows, not so much...[/citation]
Then why does Ubuntu 11.10 tell me I have to restart my computer after installing updates? Minix is much more advanced than Ubuntu is even if it's not yet as stable.

 

[thinkgsm]

Windows 8 is built around the “metro” interface, with large tab icons on the home screen, like the Windows Phone OS, but isn’t that just a blatant copy of the Windows Phone OS design. It has also done away with the traditional Windows “start button”, so if you want a quick access to a particular application, you need to pin it to the task bar.

more updates - http://www.thinkgsm.com/windows-8-preview/

 

[cybersans]

in the future they should design a windows that can restart the services without having to restart the whole windows.

 

[Guest]

Then why does Ubuntu 11.10 tell me I have to restart my computer after installing updates? Minix is much more advanced than Ubuntu is even if it's not yet as stable.

I'm referring to the older distributions (7.10 or older). Synpatic in the new one wants to force reboots for certain packages. I've never tried to restart the kernel or use Ksplice http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-ubuntu-kernel-updates-without-rebooting-using-ksplice-uptrack.html

 

[dontknownotsure]

[citation][nom]kinggremlin[/nom]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WLwRg3erm4[/citation]
holy Jesu$

 

[back_by_demand]

Funny, MS has reduced the frequency of automatic restarts, kept manual over-ride and stops temporarily if you have anything critical running.

Windows 7 does none of this and people are still moaning?

If you don't want restarts do what you normally do anyway and be part of the 4.88% that have disabled udates checking, becuase frankly if you are part of the 90% who have allowed automatic updates, download and install then it kind of serves you right if what is installed is a system critical update that reboots afterwards.

If you are such a "power user" you will arrange your updates when you aren't busy, like you do anyway, so stop ranting.

 

[RogueKitsune]

I have windows tell me there are new updates available. Then i decide if i should install them or not(most i hide). After install of updates it tells me to restart, I simply kill the windows update process and service, and out of sight out of mind until I restart my computer.