Windows 9 Expected To Push Consumers Off Windows XP

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Windows XP was also the first mainstream genuine 32bits Windows (no more real-mode drivers and interrupts) with pretty good hardware device support.
Not really true. Windows NT was developed in parallel and XP is where it first overtook 9x for home users.
Windows 2000 is still usable especially with mods
 

Almost no consumer hardware manufacturers bothered to release drivers for their devices for any NT version before XP because Microsoft never promoted NT for mainstream until XP - the point where M$ decided to standardize their consumer and professional OS on the NT code base; NT/2k were promoted as premium-priced professional OS until then. Normal people had very few reasons to want NT/2k until NT became standard with XP.

Practically exactly the same story happened with 64bits: very few hardware manufacturers bothered to release 64bits drivers for their devices until 64bits support became standard with Vista.
 


I completely skipped Win2000 (though wasn't that only available to businesses?) and ME. I do remember people saying that W98 was bad, but i ended up with the 2nd edition which served it's purpose for the most part. If your not doing much on your computer it's generally easier to upgrade then with some who needs it for projects or businesses when they have to make sure everything works or they can part with the software that doesn't work. And unless businesses are crazy for blindly thinking that the OS they use will last forever, i would assume they would at least check out some of the newer OS's just in case but if they are crazy enough to keep an OS then they will most likely end up in trouble if something goes wrong. But anyway going back to W8, if they do decide to go a similar route with the unfamiliar UI changes time will only tell what will happen. I didn't get XP until 2003 so it would have had no problems by then. I do notice though, that clean Xp installs doesn't do well with ethernet drivers which then you would have to have a router with a wireless internet adapter.

If MS manages to do things right with W9, then good for MS i guess. It'll be even more of a success if it wins XP users. Upgrading to a new OS or a new PC isn't always easy & really i think MS should have been focusing on that with W8 rather then messing with the UI. If MS made it easy as plug and play then i would imagine more people wouldn't mind upgrading as much. Even i didn't upgrade my W98 machine to XP until 2009. At that time i had problems with my XP laptop and eventually died which got me a nice $99 (2008) Vista machine which now runs W7.
 
They can expect all they want, if its performance and usability suck like Vista, 7 and 8 have, I've been perfectly happy with XP x64 for almost ten years now. I think it's safe to say I'm not moving until they make a better OS. I've actually been contemplating wiping 7 off my boot drives ever since Turbine killed LotRO with the class trees a few months ago, it was the only thing I really needed DX11 for.
 
It's time to go people? Who the hell are you to try to spend my money. Any idiot salivating to buy every new Windows OS is just that. Time to switch over to Ubuntu. Get a life. If you live to give Microsoft all of your money every two years, you seriously need to see a shrink. What if everything in your house was that bad? Go Ubuntu... it's basically LINUX and is basically what Apple runs... which I have no problems with. Maybe it's time for Microsoft to go. Bye bye Mighty Sorry OS company... BYE BYE.
 
If they want people to move off of XP, why not just make a system with an attractive interface with a start bar (I haven't seen anyone bitch about the start bar ever, and you can't swing a dead penguin without hitting someone complaining about the Modern UI), and give it a "compatibility mode" that actually works to run old programs? If I can install a little DOS-box on my system that lets me run old games, I don't see why they can't just code that ability in.It's not rocket science. If you want to tempt people away from the old version, find out WHY they like the old version, and make sure your new version can still do all of that. (The only reason I held off so long on updating my XP gaming PC to Windows 7 is that it's compatibility mode is hit or miss in it's effectiveness.) Then, if you have any features that are MAJORLY different than what has been seen before, make it possible to easily turn them off. That way you can get the feedback on whether people like the features without getting the hate from making them mandatory.People that didn't want Windows 8 aren't going to want Windows 9 if it's more of the same. Sure, some people DO like Windows 8, but those aren't the people who are still clinging to XP. If you really want to catch those customers, you need to show them something that will appeal to them and give them what they want, not cram the new thing down their throat while screaming "NO, YOU SHOULD LIKE THIS NOW! SEE THE PRETTY BUTTONS? IT'S MODERN! THIS IS WHAT YOU LIKE NOW!"Granted, not everything can be addressed (i.e. hardware and RAM needs), but a LOT of it can be fixed. Better compatibility with old programs, and making new features easy to disable will gain them a lot of good will.
 




Every two years? It seems like it's been forever since Windows XP came out!
 
Some rumors about Windows 9:1. There is a 256-bit high resource version for GPGPU--mixed mode intel chip sets2. One version Bill Gates wanted was a LCARS touch screen for home theater (star trek os)3. A large tablet version to compete with "N-Macs" or 50K buck tablets on the ISS4. A "Mars version" that has NSA custom chip sets..and can pass through the Jump Gate to Mars DELTA forces...it has PSI sensors and can interface with Alien Tech.There that is enough for those who need some "cool factor" to drool on.Next Victim WW
 
I've been trying to access my 2TB HDD on one of my desktops so i can backup or remove any data i don't need on that particular desktop. The 2TB doesn't work with the W7 on that desktop and i couldn't get Linux Mint to work on that desktop either. The funny thing is now after running a simple scan i can now access the drive using XP on that PC. Now i just hope that the 2TB drive will still work on my gaming machine using W7.
 
I know whenever i go over to my grandmother's house to show her how to turn on her computer she tells me she can't wait till something "cooler' than XP comes out.
 


The media player plays in its own window and takes up too much room. The windows media player on windows 7 is better then the windows 8/8.1.

Most folk know this. You obviously don't use it.
 


Some rumors have it that windows 9 will not even have a windows media player and you have to pay extra for that.

The windows 8./8.1 media player is a piece of sh+t. You can not get it to work on the desktop, it works in its own desktop and takes up too much room. Anyone who can't get why people hate 8/8.1 is that they don't use it. Windows 7 is better then windows 8. Why?
I use it and it saves me time. The windows 8, takes my time away and wastes my time. It seems to be faster and work ok with windows 8 designed motherboards. The windows 7 hardware is not always recognized. I know of whole IT departments who have 200 pcs (775 motherboards) that do not have audio working properly on pre-windows 8 motherboards and then rolled back to windows7. I know first hand that Usb windows 7 audio devices are not working properly with windows 8/8.1
 


The Windows Media Player shipped with Windows 8/8.1 doesn't do that.
What you are referring to is the Video/Music app in Modern UI.
Which only possible reason why you bring this up is because you are tech illiterate and doesn't have anyone tuning your computer for you this time around.

Your audio thing is also not an universal issue with everything. I have a Creative Live! 24bit, a 2003-2004 sound card, old enough that the latest driver on its driver CD was a 2000/XP driver but after pointing W8 to the .inf file, it promptly works just fine. One more round of Windows Update upgraded the 2004's 2000/XP driver to a 2009 one, presumably a Windows 7 driver, restored EAX & other configuration options.
 


Funny that, The raptor is a plane that will probably never do anything and folk who think it is a good investment are the ones who own the stock or work for the corporations involved in this failure. The V-22 Ospray is a great plane, funny that we never see the president fly in it or any of the pentagon brass. Why is that?
 
This is just pandering to a bully. Microsoft wants us to move from a multi-tasking, millions of colors, aero, wash fills, prompting system to a pick your choice of a dozen single, opaque colors and a screen full of rejects from the Lego factory. Then you have apps which insist on running full screen, do not multitask, do not prompt you with available possibilities.....why, DOS 3.3 was this good! Windows 3.1 was significantly better.Microsoft is trying to get us to happily downgrade our capable and sophisticated computers into a collection of cell phones. If we don't want to, they'll scare us into abaindoning Windows XP, quitely drop the guillotine on all further Windows 7 sales, cut off OEM Windows 7 availability and just FORCE the market. After all, it's not as if the chumps have any choice, is it?Well, Steam thinks you have a choice. And if they think so then you DO have a choice. Ubuntu and other flavors of Linux are primed and ready. You already know how to use them. Their dark age is over and the operating systems are darned capable, better than Windows (for instance, Ubuntu 13.10 immediately recognized my Wacom graphics tablet and hooked it up without even asking. Windows 7 was entirely mystified.) and everything is free--software and operating system. Yes, you can buy commercial software for it if you need to.Microsoft has about one more chance to get it right. Then they could be joining Borland, Word Perfect, Lotus, all fine, dead company. It will happen very quickly if they screw up. The columnists in Microsoft's pocket will not be fazed. They'll just sell out to the next bullly.
 
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The problem is mass appeal. If you're on Toms, chances are you don't want a somewhat simplified vision of Windows - however, if RT got more mainstream support, it's actually pretty compelling.

Most people want cats and internet access with some office capability. W8 does that just fine.
I still prefer Seven, but realistically, if I didn't have it, I don't think I'd be too hard done by using Windows 8.
 


Which is normally extremely easy to turn off....
If you can't figure out how, what possible business could a person have using multiple OS', let alone Linux?
 


Most OEM laptops are using a pure UEFI BIOS without legacy support so some OSes wont boot to them.

That is OEM choice though. If you have been dealing with PCs, you would know OEM BIOS tend to be very plain and option free apart from setting boot device.





You sir, are full of it. You really are. First off, there are two media player apps. The Music App and WMP. WMP is the same version 12 as in Windows 7.

Secondly, if you know of IT departments that are still running the extremely outdated LGA775 socket then they are fools that need to learn when they should upgrade systems. LGA775 hasn't been used since 2008 and getting parts is now becoming very hard and very expensive.

As well, most audio devices still have a generic Windows driver, much like systems with even older than 7 era audio chips will load a generic driver. 8 has the same drivers to load.



I wonder, do you get just as mad when your AV company upgrades their scanner to a much lighter and better one and you have to pay to get the features? Sure you can keep using the one you have but most companies only update the definitions and even then they might not always do that.

Are you also mad that most software companies are no longer going to support XP with new products? Or that most hardware vendors are no longer putting out updated or new drivers for XP?

Could it be that these companies know when to just move on?

Most businesses have moved on from XP. Hell look at the Steam Hardware Survey. Windows XP is only around 6% of all the systems they surveyed. 8 is doing better than XP.

XP is old. Only those with very specific hardware that needs it will use it and that is a very small minority.

Why don't you go to Intel and AMD and complain that you couldn't put a i5 or FX-8000 series CPU into your 13 year old motherboards. That is the same thing as asking why Microsoft no longer wants to support XP.



Secureboot is actually a great feature for regular users. It lets the OS control the boot and it stops things from loading during the kernel load time, like those annoying viruses that take over the PC from the FBI.

I have not found one 8 machine from an OEM with Secureboot on it that has one of those viruses. They still had junk software but not boot time viruses.
 

So what? A Core2Duo is still perfectly fine for most office applications, point-of-sales terminal/PCs, ATMs and practically everything else that is not particularly compute-intensive. With a tiny bit of care and half-decent operating environment, PCs will work fine for 10+ years so replacement parts are not really a problem - I still have a working P54C CPU (first-gen Pentium MMX) in a good old AT-style tower for retro gaming and running ASM9x demos.

Worst case, simply replace office PCs as they die instead of hunting down those "expensive and hard to find" replacement parts, still cheaper than replacing still perfectly good PCs just for the heck of it. Components from 'dead' PCs can be scavenged to fix other PCs where something different failed - internally-sourced replacement components; only cost the time it takes to identify and swap them out.
 
Most OEM laptops are using a pure UEFI BIOS without legacy support so some OSes wont boot to them.
Which is a bunch of garbage. The fact is most machines sold are OEM and if you can't later change your operating system,
you are at a huge disadvantage
I have not found one 8 machine from an OEM with Secureboot on it that has one of those viruses. They still had junk software but not boot time viruses.
A little early to be asserting that don't you think?

Secondly, if you know of IT departments that are still running the extremely outdated LGA775 socket then they are fools that need to learn when they should upgrade systems. LGA775 hasn't been used since 2008 and getting parts is now becoming very hard and very expensive.
You have got to be kidding me. LGA775 had CPUs that really provided a leap in performance over the predecessors.
Socket 775 CPUs can still keep up with low end modern CPUs. And I hardly find $20-60 used CPUs expensive

And Windows 7 was released back in 2009 so it still has very solid LGA775 age hardware support

So what? A Core2Duo is still perfectly fine for most office applications, point-of-sales terminal/PCs, ATMs and practically everything else that is not particularly compute-intensive. With a tiny bit of care and half-decent operating environment, PCs will work fine for 10+ years so replacement parts are not really a problem - I still have a working P54C CPU (first-gen Pentium MMX) in a good old AT-style tower for retro gaming and running ASM9x demos.

Worst case, simply replace office PCs as they die instead of hunting down those "expensive and hard to find" replacement parts, still cheaper than replacing still perfectly good PCs just for the heck of it. Components from 'dead' PCs can be scavenged to fix other PCs where something different failed - internally-sourced replacement components; only cost the time it takes to identify and swap them out.
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I don't understand this mentality that something isn't useful because its a little old
 


Man... do you have anything factual to respond to what I said or are you just that desperate to get the last word.



Just to add a bit into this conversation though, I do have a C2D E6320 with Asus P5K SE that works just fine or rather it has seen even better performance with W8.
 
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