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I'm *trying* to build a windows xp, 7 and older, system. Which build should i use :
- xeon x5460 - 27 euros | 24 pounds | 31 dollars
- MSI G41M P33 Combo - 27 euros | 24 pounds | 31 dollars
- 4 gb / 8 gb ram (i'll buy 2x4 and use 1x4 for winxp) - 42 euros | 37 pounds | 48 dollars

or

- fx 8320 - 42 euros | 37 pounds | 48 dollars
- AsRock 960GM-GS3 FX, AM3+ - 21 euros | 18 pounds | 24 dollars
- 4 gb / 8 gb ram (i'll buy 2x4 and use 1x4 for winxp) - 42 euros | 37 pounds | 48 dollars
 
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Like i said in the 1st page of this topic, any Core 2/Phenom II/First Gen I7 will do just fine. Do read what i say since i do not like repeating myself over and over again within same topic.

When it comes to the PSUs, it's bad idea to buy used PSUs, regardless their build quality since you have no idea what kind of abuse it has seen. Also, when buying used PSU, you won't get any warranty with the unit. Seasonic is the only PSU OEM in the world who offers transferable warranty though.

And lastly, there are no R7 270X GPUs. What there is, is R9 270X,
comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-R7-240-vs-AMD-R9-270X/m8608vs2188
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The reason i brought the first build it's because that mobo is amazing with the ddr3-ddr2 thingy. Btw would older operating systems than winxp let me use ddr3 ram ?
 
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Win XP supports DDR3 RAM without issues. In fact, my old AMD build (full specs with pics in my sig) has Win XP Pro SP2 as an OS and 4GB of DDR3 RAM in it, with usable RAM of 3.2GB due to the OS limitation.

As far as Win 98 goes, well, RAM support depends on the MoBo used but it can work with DDR3 RAM. My old Pentium II 266 Mhz with Win 98SE OS has 64MB of SDRAM in it. SDRAM is predecessor of DDR (aka DDR1).
Though, i've had Pentium I 133 Mhz PCs as well with Win 95 as an OS but i don't recall if the RAM was asynchronous DRAM or synchronous DRAM nor how much of it i had it in the system (that was more than 20 years ago).

Here's a bit of Q&A about Win98 and it's hardware limitations,
link: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/236766-48-what-hardware-limiations-windows#8972894

Oh, rather than building matching hardware for the era when older OSes were launched, use virtual machine instead. With virtual machine, you can run any old OS on modern system with problem free (for the most part).
 
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Thanks a lot mate, but can i ask you something ? how would a ssd work on older OSes without TRIM ?
 
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Using SSD without TRIM affects the longevity of the drive more than it affects the performance, at least from what an end user observes.

SSD media can only write to empty file pages, but they can only erase a file block (collection of pages, normally around 128). Without TRIM (which the OS uses to tell the drive which pages and blocks it can safely erase), the SSD needs to move pages around in order to free up blocks in order to write new data.

What this boils down to is the SSD needs to perform multiple physical writes to do one logical write of the data sent by the OS. This is a phenomenon called Write Amplification.

The longevity issue comes into play when you consider that SSDs have a limited number of write/erase cycles per cell (1,000-100,000 per cell depending on the media). This is mitigated somewhat by wear leveling which is an automatic use of the least-used cells on a drive to avoid uneven wear, but write amplification limits how much wear leveling can take place. Wear leveling also leads to some write amplification on its own (due to needing to move data which is not changing under certain scenarios).

Since there are still no moving parts in the SSD, it will obviously be much faster than a HDD even with these issues. However, the relative speed to a non-affected drive could be many times slower depending on how much write amplification is taking place.
 
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Question from thatmoritryhard : "GPU on winxp and 7"



 
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Do note that Win98 supports only 1x core CPU and CPUs faster than 2 Ghz may not work with Win98. In other words, chances of 8 core, 3.5 Ghz FX-8320 works with Win98 are very slim. My Win98SE rig has single-core Pentium II CPU in it with clock speed of 266 Mhz (0.266 Ghz).

For GPU and as i said above, issue is with right drivers. Also, GTX 580 is way too overpowered for any WinXP era and older games. My WinXP rig has Radeon HD 7770 Ghz Edition GPU in it and that is already more than enough.
 
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I know that it's probably an overkill but would i have any problems running the drivers and stuff? Cause i googled it and couldn't find anything.
EDIT : Wouldn't the cpu cause a bottleneck bcs the gpu is too weak? Should i change the cpu in a fx 4320 or fx 6320?
 
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Yes you will have problems, even if you have the correct hardware from that era for Win98 build. WinXP would be more forgiving since it's newer OS and some people still run WinXP build.

My question here is why do you want to build a PC that has Win7, WinXP and Win98 as OSes? Because of the old games from that era? Or is there something else?
 
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First of all, I'll probably forget about the dream of building a 98, xp and 7 os pc and probably stick to the xp and 7.

Second of all, i want to build a xp and 7 pc because of 3 reasons, the games from that era, the nostalgia and because I made a hobby or a passion of building PCs.

You've helped me a lot mate, and i am very thankful. But can answer me a few question?
Would the 8320 bottleneck the gtx 680 or 580? Is it too much for the 680 or 580? If yes, which cpu would you recommed me?
Would the 8320 and the 580 or 680 work just fine on a 32bit winxp? And would the drivers work? Of yes, should i downgrade the gpu to a 480?
If i use 8gb of ram instead of the limit which i heard is 4gb or 3.3, would it show up as 4 or 3.3 or will it make me to remove 1x4 stick of ram?
 
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WinXP can play any Win98 and Win95 games; either directly, via Win98 mode or via emulator.

Q&A
1) FX-8320 and GTX 5xx/6xx are way too powerful for any WinXP era game. Here, bottleneck isn't an issue at all.

2) Like i said, that setup is way overkill for WinXP. For GPU driver support under WinXP, Nvidia supports GPUs up to GTX 780 Ti and GTX Titan as well,
driver download link: https://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/73214

3) If you use 1x 8GB RAM stick then there could be an issue where WinXP won't detect the RAM. Better use 1x 4GB. Or even better, 2x 2GB. Also, while BIOS can detect 4GB of RAM, the actual usable RAM amount varies. My AMD build can use 3.2GB of RAM, though, there are builds that can use 3.1GB or 3.3GB of RAM.


To make it as simple as possible;

For pre- and early Win XP games, look for following hardware:
CPU: Athlon XP/Pentium 4 Northwood
GPU: Geforce 4 Ti
RAM: 512MB - 1GB
HDD: any size
OS: Windows XP SP1/SP2

For late Win XP games, look for following hardware:
CPU: Core 2/Phenom II/First Gen I7
GPU: Geforce 8xxx/9xxx/GTX 2xx/HD 3xxxx/HD 4xxx
RAM: 2GB - 4GB
HDD: any size
OS: Windows XP SP3

My AMD build, which i have for retro games, have such specs;
CPU: Athlon II X2 250*
GPU: HD 7770 Ghz edition
RAM: 4GB (2x 2GB)
SSD: 240GB
HDD1: 500GB
HDD2: 500GB
OS: Windows XP Pro SP2

* CPU needs an upgrade to Phenom II X6 1045T.
 
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It seems that the very last replies made in the old forums got erased when the move to the new forums went on. While i did know that new forums were coming, there were 0 info about the exact date. Also, it was a fluke that i found out new forums are up and running. If i would've known that new forums are up and running earlier, i would've posted in the new forums.

In any event, i'm back in the topic and can help answering further questions.
 
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I remember that there was a talk between GTX 560 Ti and GTX 750 Ti, where 750 Ti has lower wattage consumption but the issue with 750 Ti is that it's newer tech and may not work well with WinXP games.

Basically, any GPU that is better than GTX 200 series will do fine with WinXP era games. From where the line goes at which point newer GPUs are starting to have issues with old games, that i do not know. Though, Nvidia has support for up to GTX 700 series under WinXP.
 
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GTX 560 Ti is actually better than 650 Ti, despite it being older,
comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-560-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-650-Ti/2180vs2189

Power consumption wise, GTX 560 Ti is 170W GPU while GTX 650 Ti is 110W GPU.

PSU wise, i follow the rule where when GPU TDP is 150W or under, then go for 550W PSU; while when GPU TDP is over 150W, go for 650W PSU. That is so to ensure plenty of spare wattage for PSU, without pushing PSU hard.

Depending on which MoBo you pick, pick the GPU as well. If MoBo has PCI-E 2.0, pick the GTX 560 Ti but if MoBo has PCI-E 3.0, go for GTX 650 Ti.
 
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