Woodcrest vs. AMD

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Folks at DailyTech say they already benched Woodcrest against Opterons.
35% higher performance, 5% lower power consumption now THAT is good for a CPU running on a beta-platform.

Heck, I wont buy a server CPU anyway, I just need those Conroe and Merom benches :lol:
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So everyone here is going to argue about whether a future Intel server chip can beat a current AMD server chip that is near the end of its life??

ycon, BTW, there is a new opteron due out early 2007.
 
i must say ..i watched you guys chatting in here ... same i agree same i don`t..the stuff that took my atention ...intel took 2 or 3 years to beat the a64.....this looks like ladies fight...........amd took x years to defeat the p4 and etc etc etc.....the way i see it intel has had goood and bad cpus in his history......idem amd....this is how i see it.......
if it hadn`t been for amd to release a64 we would still have had 478 cpus
if it hadn`t been for the intel to release it`s 775 cpus bad or good as it is we would stiil have had 754 or a64 clawhamers (some reach 90 degrees)
and the story continues i hope

it`s competition my friends...we benefit from it.....i admit when i say i had a sistem and i replaced it with other because it got old and demodated but same of us refuse to believe that his opty or a64 or p4ee or whatever is invincible .. well both intel and amd demonstated that they are not.......peace
 
excuse me boys the topic was woodcrest vr.amd.......the way i see it....woodcrest shows improvement when it cames to dated amd cpus ...we will just have to wait and see .... for future amd cpus how would they compare to conroe, merom and woodcrest ...i`m personaly waiting for the 45nm cpus
 
Up to 33% more performance and less power according to Intel



http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1148
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"According to intel"....
i have another source which suggests otherwise.
http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/03/woodcrest-will-be-10-20-slower-than.html

well conroe "according to intel" is 20% quicker then AMD and in most of the apps its more then that

So you'd rather believe any benchmark that proves your point even if it is of dubious reliabilty (based on the fact that it is done by Intel), and ingnore any view that flows counter to that?
 
Anand said he would have one in his lab very soon. I hope they give hime a 3.33 XE.

The thugs here will say he's bias and it's fixed. When it's on the market, owns the ORB, and every other benchmark, the fan bullys will still fork out twices the cash for a CPU that burns twice the power and believe he has the best. I don't hate AMD, but realy hate this crap you nitwitts pull here.
 
Anand said he would have one in his lab very soon. I hope they give hime a 3.33 XE.

The thugs here will say he's bias and it's fixed. When it's on the market, owns the ORB, and every other benchmark, the fan bullys will still fork out twices the cash for a CPU that burns twice the power and believe he has the best. I don't hate AMD, but realy hate this crap you nitwitts pull here.
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First off, don't lump me in with all these fanboy "nitwits" you are talking about. I am in no way a fanboy, and have not exhibited any fanboy behavior whatsoever.

I am just waiting to see real benchmarks. When Anand and the rest of the sites get their samples and do their benchmarks, then I will beleive what they say. For the Record, I don't think either Anandtech or THG are biased.

My point is that that you seem so desperate for conroe to be better (including taking the name??) that it seems you will accept benchmarks that should be taken with a grain of salt as the truth, since they prove your point.
 
I didn't mean you. You know who I mean. The ones the systematicly ruin evey Intel thread here.

Yes, I do believe the benchmarks. I hope to see more soon. I've been watching Conroe for over a year now and will have one as soon as I can.
 
See, I try to be a little more sleptical than that. I will wait to see what the independant sites say.

Then again, I probably won't buy a conroe anytime soon anyway, since it would require to much investment to scrap my A64. (DDR2 is expensive when you have 2Gb of DDR already)
 
Anand said he would have one in his lab very soon. I hope they give hime a 3.33 XE.

The thugs here will say he's bias and it's fixed. When it's on the market, owns the ORB, and every other benchmark, the fan bullys will still fork out twices the cash for a CPU that burns twice the power and believe he has the best. I don't hate AMD, but realy hate this crap you nitwitts pull here.
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THIS COMING FOR SOMEONE WHO OWNS AN INTEL? FANBOY!!!!!!

Just kidding :wink: yeah first it was AM2 benchmarks being rigged, or the "its a pre sample so its slow" BS (and the DDR2 667 slow speed flaw which may i say conroe was also using that speed ram with better sucess) and because AM2 let them down now they blame Intel for rigging the benchmarks.

Actually when Conroe comes out AMD will be where they have always been - 2nd best - they have been there most of them time (AthlonXP vs P4 especially P4c, P2 vs K6, P6 vs K63 and K6 etc) - back they go, Intel with there P4 just got lazy.
 
This talk aboout woodcrest is very impressive. As it is now AMD does have a good lead in the server end of things. I've never read anything that said Intel could take much of a performance lead there--untill now. I wonder what about the 4P market?

Desktops are much closer now with the 4800+ and 955EE neck and neck, and FX60 top dog. Power consuption is very high with all those CPUs. The THG review of AM2 was a mistake. Funny, it will be out before "Core," but still is not production ready. I belive AM2 may be as much as 10% better than 939 with good DDR2-800. Still this E6700 is just mid-level, not high-end. Intel will have the said 20% lead and may have another 20% sitting in the bank waiting for AMD's next move. I hope AM2 comes out with a surprize so Intel has to play it's whole hand.
 
Woodcrest vs. Opteron (on DDR2) will be a very interesting comparison.
Where the Opteron does shine is when the CPU count goes up (e.g. hypertransport comes into play).
I predict that for single process type apps and low CPU count the woodscrest will come out top, however for large parallel type applications (web, ERP, DB) Opteron may still come out on top (4 way and Up).
Sun is coming out with an 8 Socket Opteron board around June time, and the 4 core processors (early 2007) are supposed to drop right in (32 core system, yum, yum).
Intel will need to get off the shared bus architecture to be able to compete. This is not a failing of the CPU, but the bus architecture.
 
hey a question for you all how much wood can woodcrest chuck if woodcrest could chuck wood? :lol:
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ummm... 0 cus the woodcrest processor is about as fast as... wood =/

Here's one for you... What do you get when you mix a woodcrest with a prescott?
 
This is good, even a nitwitt could understand this guy.
http://www.overclockers.com/tips00929/

The fact is, no level-headed guy that can hold off from biulding a new rig will biuld one now. This is THE time to wait. Both Intel and AMD are hurt by this talking and these benchmarks at the IDF. But I'm not too level-headed about this. My wallet's open and the credit card is out, I just can't find the dang BUY IT NOW button.
 
Some of this debate sounds pointless. If there is no software to take advantage of the 64 bit dual core processors. I would wait till Vista arrives and benchmark the processors within that OS.
 
That's a good article and all, but How many people who are ready to buy a computer now are actually going to wait another 6 months to buy it? I mean you'll old one is crappin out on ya so your ready to get something now. How many people are going to wait and compare AM2 to Conroe or whatever, when their old CPU just died? Going to wait 3-6months just to compare which is better, then decide. I highly doubt it since we all live in a Now society. Everything new built/made/produce is focused around getting whatever it may be here & Now.

This is THE time to wait. Both Intel and AMD are hurt by this talking and these benchmarks at the IDF.
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Maybe Intel & AMD need to play their cards similar to the video card industry. Keep doors closed on new products until their release date. Nvidia doesn't say anything until the product is released. Of course, there's speculations and leaks, but it's mostly behind closed doors with any real facts.

Never in my life have seen so much flaming though sheesh. Given half of this stuff amuses the crap outta me while i'm work, the whole Intel v.s. AMD is really getting old. But I guess if we didn't flame and choose sides we would have nothing to talk for 6months-years at a time while these companies try and produce new material for us to buy. So like...Umm /rant off

So, I guess if I have to root for someone, I'll be rooting for the underdog (with all the new Conroe speculation) AMD!!! And let me toss in some more fuel for the fire!

The answer to my question!

A campfire! Buhahhahah or maybe a compfire hahah
 
I agree. Like I said, people that can wait should, the others should go get a opti. I'm sick of the senceless falmeing, and aboue all the senceless posts. I like to talk about CPUs. A heated debate is good. Too many here have nothing to bring to the table and just love posting spam filled rubage.

When I was seven my mom ran over the family's dog. He laid in the road blood running out his nose, lifless. I was in shook, saying "it's just a nose bleed" to my older, crying sisters. I went to my grandma's and cryed alone for hours. The AMD boys are like that now, but my dog is dead. AMD just has a nose bleed.
 
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