Worlds first 64 bit desktop.Hats off to apple!!!!

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Smegg! Not to mention the Alpha which ran a bastid form of NT.
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As well as Linux. The Alpha sitting under my desk (because it's never used anymore since almost no software runs on it correctly if at all) also has an Alpha version of Red Hat.

Admittedly, most of the software that my company wanted to run on it was just good old 32-bit x86 Windows stuff. So why they spent the fortune for the Alpha is beyond me.

Well, that's not true either. They got the Alpha so that we could compile Alpha-compatible software since some customers expressed a desire for it. The problem was that a lot of the 3rd party libraries that our software used didn't have Alpha-compiled versions and the companies who wrote them refused to provide an Alpha version or to let us compile one for them. Most of the time they would give lame reasons like "We don't support the Alpha because Microsoft doesn't." even though at the time I was running that crappy Alpha version of NT and an Alpha version of Visual Studio 6. So go fig.

But anywho, in the end it just became a conversational piece that no one wants to even so much as boot up. **ROFL** And somehow I got stuck with it. It really has a nice case too. It has a dual-fan intake with filters and even a completely internal fan dedicated just to blowing air across the RAM.

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Don't know how meny have read this.

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IT far from be a amazing chip.

1 it use the same philosophie that P4 on pipeligne.18 vs 20 the ''drive'' stage was flush but strangely there max clock speed is at 2.0 GHZ maybe a 2.2 ghz before moving to 90 NM node far from amazing

Point 2 they have try to create a wide front-end back-end most of wide machine Alpha,Itanium use short pipeligne 7 to 12.

They have a huge amount of renaming logic to carry on chip conter this effect to have make modular Upos that not really good you lose granuality and add buffer and extra logistique.You lose some of OoO advantage but you got all the disanventage of OoO.

As misbranch hit perf even more that P4 they have put close 10KB of branch history to reach about the same effectiveness that a P4 but with 10 bigger size.(even a thunder bird got a better implemtation)

To follow to be able to use this very wide and long pipeligne technicaly you will need a huge amount of instuctions avaible at each cycle but no SMT or time slicing.It feature weak cache systemes built around a full associativity like others IBM (as IBM as never built otherswise)a addresing nightmare i will not be surprise to hear that TBL need 2 cycle to retrevie a addresse from the TAG (adresse store).L2 is no exception, L2 is the key of fast CPU.Look at fastest CPU around server Itanium 2 5 cycle lantency to use and P4 7 to next level + 2 on a 256 bit bus to next level.


After L2 L1 will be remake and 4 way SMT on a split Branch history buffer it will be a good cpu.Result prove that spec score 800 int compare to 1200 on INT for P4 and 800 FP compare to 1200 for P4.

The so cute 500 mghz DDR 32 bus is useless.I will skip the part how server aps dont like high branch cpu like P4 and Power PC 970 cuz that were Power Pc 970 is going in blade server and workstation.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by juin on 06/28/03 11:45 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
I don't think it is a 3rd competator. It's not. I do hope it could become one though. It'll take a lot of work though since last I heard Apple only had a few percent of the desktop market.

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And even then I wonder why we even classify it in market share on Desktop Market.
It just isn't in the same class in any possible way.

Jobs needs to get his head out of the ground and start realizing.

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never hear of FX32 for alpha cup on windows nt.I dont know if the software have really reach market but you were able to run windows Nt apps at 80 % of native speed.

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Mac should port the OS on x86, then start building comp like Dell. But with kickass design and cool options. That's why most of the ppl by them anyway. So you could have a mac ( x86hardware ) but with their cool look and os. Or dual boot to windows to play some games.
 
a idea but profit for HP IBM come from server and workstation not desktop so they will just be able to compete with dell that have a really low price.

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Not to mention that the OS is so easy so that very low end OEM PCs can really sell to the uneducated.

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Every one here seems to have Many valid points.

As a matter of compitition. there isn't realy any when you put it the way you all do.

Of course your not going to buy a mac for internet and word processing...Its not ment for it. at least the G5's are not. However, if you DO need a Mac for pidly work, then you'd buy a G3 for a for a few hundred bucks. or a G4 for as much as grand. just as anyone would do with a PC.

And yes i know that Mac's are still More expencive yes... But don't go making arguments saying that you Need to spend $3000 just to surf and do word proccessing.

so if this is the case. Apple IS as much a competetor as any... regardless of how FEW software there have, and the fact that they only consist of 5% of the market.

Just as dhlucke said
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"This debate can be had in the AMD vs Intel arena or the Ford vs Chevy arena. It's all the same."
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A fererri would compete with a Lamberginni but not with a mustang Same goes for Grand prix and a Town Contry but not a Rolls

Mayby these are not the greatest example, but i think you get the idea... we are not compareing Apples and oragnes here... meirly just Mackintosh and Granny Smith...(of course the Granny be far suppierior of an apple!)

The amazing thing here that not many seem to care about is that the barrior has been broken, regardless if Apple was the first or not. That means that MORE Pogrammers WILL be progamming for the mac and it won't matter if its for a 64bit or 32bit...

EVERY little bit about the new G5 is a good thing...why shoot it down...because you feel it fun to pick on the little guy?

Maybe with a little support you will find your "compition"

Maybe you have a differant out look on things.

look at it this way. Its not the Olymics and your not competing against another contry. its you team mate and your in training...what do you do? take them out of the equation becasue you want gold? or help them out so that your contry has another chance?
(sorry Vancouver Just got the thumb up for the Olymics in 2010, little exited)


Im not going to be buying one of these machines...no . i do not have the money right now.

But that doesn't mean that i won't be working on one. I am a graphic designer. and am looking at getting into the 3D world. a 64Bit desktop would be wonderful

So the more ppl who jump on on board here and begin programming for and using Macs the better!



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fact that they only consist of 5% of the market.
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I'm afraid it's 1.9% of the market shares.

Also, we're not picking on the small guy. We're picking on the small guy who keeps lying to us and saying he's got the fastest processor on earth. We're not very pitiful with this kind of attitude. And there's lots of it in Mac-World.

In this sense, the Mac fanboys are the ones who do no good to apple's image. They love it so much and spread so much crap around, that many people feel like Mac is almost like a religion to some.
 
The worst is that Macs have been officially dethroned in multimedia performance leadership. They seriously HAVE been destroyed. No more can you even justify getting one for rendering. As for 64-bit, get an Athlon 64 if ya want that, don't go pay for a Mac's 64-bit just to get better power which may not even match the Dual Opteron yet.

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I was just checking out the <A HREF="http://www.apple.com" target="_new">http://www.apple.com</A> site. It's quite a beautiful site... It's almost convincing.

But they really ought to refrain from lying so blatantly. It does them a disservice. They might as well say "it's a fast processor", not the fastest (it's fast, but come on, fastest?...). They should advertise their real strengths, while they still have any!
 
I have to strongly agree with you there Mephistopheles
in both points you made.



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I am not going to buy a Mac.But dont u think AMDs 64 bit processor(desktop) will force intel to rethink about their '32 bit is enough' policy.I think so.So competition is essential for technological breakthroughs.Ya, Mac is not a competitor for PC but I believe their technological aggression is really a good thing no matter whether it will equate to perfomance.Early reports suggest there is no big perfomance gain with G5 but think about the other way.If it is a hit with considerable perfomance intel cannot struck with their 32 bit policy(at least they cannot tell "64 doesnt matter").
It may fail but they did a nice thing
 
I think they've got Yamhill. It's the only reasonable course of action for a company as powerful as them - to have this as an available resource for whenever needed.

Hopefully, they'll have to activate it soon...
 
regarding this whole issue of G5 vs PC in general:

the first thing issue I see is looking at who needs this sort of machine and if they should bother getting it -
This is a pretty powerful machine - far beyond that of normal "desktop" computer sort of thing so someone that only wants a computer to do word proccessing, surfing, etc should not spend the money on a G5 (this much is obvious I think). So what kind of user demands this sort of computing power?

1. gamers
I'm going to say gamers probably wouldn't want a G5 for the simple reason that they can't get all the games they want because they don't run on OSX. Now I know there are emulators or whatever out there that can make windows games run but if I remember correctly this is at a pretty big performence loss (again I could be wrong). But for playing games one could save a lot of money by getting a amd/intel.

2. people who encode/decode a lot of video/audio
this might be an excellent use of the G5 but I'd have to see some more credible benchmarks on the issue from a truely independent 3rd party to see if the hefty pricetag of the G5 is warranted.

3. people doing heavy math/science/engineering calculations. Again I'd have to see some more credible benchmarks to see if the price is warranted.

4. maybe people doing cad work?
I'm not really sure about this one so I'll leave it to someone else who knows more to fill in the blank. 🙂

5. other major groups of people? fill me in.


I think the thing to consider when looking at a new system like the G5 is figuring out who it's good for and then if the price is worth it for them when compared with a amd/intel system.

"Don't question it!!!" - Err
 
Exactly...and TOMS is the perfect place to bench it.

Im not too sure if there is a way to make POLLS here...but maybe someone should make a poll asking weather or not TOMS should invest or try and get there hands on a G5 and do some REAL benchmarking that people can belive in.

Oh another major reason for getting this would be for 3D animation. But again. we would Need a 3rd party to give us TRUE benchmark results...not ones that are bias

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Actually, some here may be able to find you the most recent G4 benchmarks which show a P4 2.53GHZ having an easy time defeating the G4 in movie editing. The machines were even Dells.

I don't recall the website, but some users, like imgod2u, had the site often linked.

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