Question Worth upgrading Mobo and Ram?

[GenerikV]

I have a Lenovo prebuilt that comes with the following specs
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700x
GPU: RTX 3070 (MSI made, Twin cooler) 8GB
Mobo: Lenovo M-ATX B550
Ram: SK Hynix 8GB x2 DDR4 3200mhz cl22 (jdec only no xmp)

I want to know if upgrading to a better ram Crucial Ballistix 16GB x 2 DDR4 3600MT/s CL16 helps with performance. Even with well-adjusted settings (lower than what 3070 should do) for cyberpunk (just an example) I still get frame drops and bad frame times and tarkov is a mess (for everyone LOL, but I wanna make it a bit more playable for me)

Now the problem child is the Mobo has no support for XMP only JDEC (can't go higher than current ram specs, other than size) more over no overclocking support, no resize-bar support, no fan curve, nothing that would be considered a part of tweaking, basically worthless laptop like BIOS.

So to upgrade the RAM I will need to change the Mobo, which would cost me $312.60 (192.37 for mobo asus tuf b550m-plus and above mentioned ram 120.26) and I will potentially gain the following:
- 400mhz more and tighter timing by 6CL (without any OC I presume)
- 16GB more ram (good to have for tarkov and chrome)
- Support for Resizeable bar
- Ability to tweak fan curves
- Ability to tweak Ryzen infinity fabric


The question is will the following advantages give any FPS gain or frametime improvements?

 

[helpstar]

yes, it should get you a gain, maybe 2 to 10fps max, but probably not getting you a boost. Upgrading the CPU should be the next step

 

[CountMike]

I have a Lenovo prebuilt that comes with the following specs
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700x
GPU: RTX 3070 (MSI made, Twin cooler) 8GB
Mobo: Lenovo M-ATX B550
Ram: SK Hynix 8GB x2 DDR4 3200mhz cl22 (jdec only no xmp)

I want to know if upgrading to a better ram Crucial Ballistix 16GB x 2 DDR4 3600MT/s CL16 helps with performance. Even with well-adjusted settings (lower than what 3070 should do) for cyberpunk (just an example) I still get frame drops and bad frame times and tarkov is a mess (for everyone LOL, but I wanna make it a bit more playable for me)

Now the problem child is the Mobo has no support for XMP only JDEC (can't go higher than current ram specs, other than size) more over no overclocking support, no resize-bar support, no fan curve, nothing that would be considered a part of tweaking, basically worthless laptop like BIOS.

So to upgrade the RAM I will need to change the Mobo, which would cost me $312.60 (192.37 for mobo asus tuf b550m-plus and above mentioned ram 120.26) and I will potentially gain the following:
- 400mhz more and tighter timing by 6CL (without any OC I presume)
- 16GB more ram (good to have for tarkov and chrome)
- Support for Resizeable bar
- Ability to tweak fan curves
- Ability to tweak Ryzen infinity fabric


The question is will the following advantages give any FPS gain or frametime improvements?

Changing RAM from 3200MHz to 3600MHz would bring you next to nothing overall. High latency is a bit more of a concern but not enough to change MB because of it. Those other options make more sense, specially ability to tweak BIOS settings for CPU and RAM.
Are those US Dollars, those prices seem high, DDR4 prices dropped lately.
If possible a 5700x would bring you more performance.

 

[GenerikV]

Changing RAM from 3200MHz to 3600MHz would bring you next to nothing overall. High latency is a bit more of a concern but not enough to change MB because of it. Those other options make more sense, specially ability to tweak BIOS settings for CPU and RAM.
Are those US Dollars, those prices seem high, DDR4 prices dropped lately.
If possible a 5700x would bring you more performance.

Pricing is INR converted to USD for better reference. Tech stuff is expensive here also this RAM is the only 3600mhz CL16 I could find here.
Ryzen 5700x is around $228.55 here.

I was looking into 5800x3D but they are hellish expensive ATM and also if I get it I might be have to upgrade the PSU which is only 650 (cutting it close already with 3070 + 3700x). 5700x should not be a problem as its same TDP as 3700x, but then again wont be able to tweak anything for the 5700x

 

[CountMike]

Pricing is INR converted to USD for better reference. Tech stuff is expensive here also this RAM is the only 3600mhz CL16 I could find here.
Ryzen 5700x is around $228.55 here.

I was looking into 5800x3D but they are hellish expensive ATM and also if I get it I might be have to upgrade the PSU which is only 650 (cutting it close already with 3070 + 3700x). 5700x should not be a problem as its same TDP as 3700x, but then again wont be able to tweak anything for the 5700x

For 5800x3D you would need to upgrade cooling quite a bit so that adds to cost too. It also isn't more effective than 5700x in most games, only some. CPU part is essentially same.

 

[Bob.B]

I have a Lenovo prebuilt that comes with the following specs
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700x
GPU: RTX 3070 (MSI made, Twin cooler) 8GB
Mobo: Lenovo M-ATX B550
Ram: SK Hynix 8GB x2 DDR4 3200mhz cl22 (jdec only no xmp)

I want to know if upgrading to a better ram Crucial Ballistix 16GB x 2 DDR4 3600MT/s CL16 helps with performance. Even with well-adjusted settings (lower than what 3070 should do) for cyberpunk (just an example) I still get frame drops and bad frame times and tarkov is a mess (for everyone LOL, but I wanna make it a bit more playable for me)

Now the problem child is the Mobo has no support for XMP only JDEC (can't go higher than current ram specs, other than size) more over no overclocking support, no resize-bar support, no fan curve, nothing that would be considered a part of tweaking, basically worthless laptop like BIOS.

So to upgrade the RAM I will need to change the Mobo, which would cost me $312.60 (192.37 for mobo asus tuf b550m-plus and above mentioned ram 120.26) and I will potentially gain the following:
- 400mhz more and tighter timing by 6CL (without any OC I presume)
- 16GB more ram (good to have for tarkov and chrome)
- Support for Resizeable bar
- Ability to tweak fan curves
- Ability to tweak Ryzen infinity fabric


The question is will the following advantages give any FPS gain or frametime improvements?

Proper bios and drivers?
What storage do you have and how full is it?
What is the model # of this pc?

 

[GenerikV]

but then again wont be able to tweak anything for the 5700x

For 5800x3D you would need to upgrade cooling quite a bit so that adds to cost too. It also isn't more effective than 5700x in most games, only some. CPU part is essentially same.

With 5700x will have the same concerns that it's not running to its full potential coz of the inability to tweak anything at all and also missing features in bios and subpar ram

 

[GenerikV]

Proper bios and drivers?
What storage do you have and how full is it?
What is the model # of this pc?

Legion T5 26AMR5 - Updated bios and drivers
Storage Bootdrive 512GB Samsung Nvme - 50% full.
Game drive 1TB Crucial P1 - 25% free

 

[Bob.B]

Legion T5 26AMR5 - Updated bios and drivers
Storage Bootdrive 512GB Samsung Nvme - 50% full.
Game drive 1TB Crucial P1 - 25% free

When you are playing the games if ram usage is showing 90+% then bumping out to 2x16GB would be a plus.

Speed/timings?........3200/cl16 seems to be a common ram.
With no manual control your limited to what the bios will accept.

 

[GenerikV]

Ram: SK Hynix 8GB x2 DDR4 3200mhz cl22 (jdec only no xmp)

When you are playing the games if ram usage is showing 90+% then bumping out to 2x16GB would be a plus.

Speed/timings?........3200/cl16 seems to be a common ram.
With no manual control your limited to what the bios will accept.

Speed as mentioned in OP 3200 with timing 22-22-22-52

16GB only seem to be a problem in Escape from Tarkov specifically the streets map. Doubt that's the issue.

 

[punkncat]

22 latency on the RAM is pretty bad.

It appears that Lenovo may have done you a serious favor in relation to this build. Just a quick look at pictures seems to indicate standard hardware sizes in a standard layout case.

IMO, I would certainly look for some 32-3600 CL16 RAM and slap in that puppy. It sure isn't going to hurt things.

 

[GenerikV]

IMO, I would certainly look for some 32-3600 CL16 RAM and slap in that puppy. It sure isn't going to hurt thing

Only if Mobo was decent and supported XMP. So mobo needs to be changed to change the ram.

 

[punkncat]

Only if Mobo was decent and supported XMP. So mobo needs to be changed to change the ram.

You mention yourself that the motherboard is supporting the JEDEC speed at 3200.
Does the BIOS offer the ability to enter your own speed and timings or just the various reported JEDEC speeds from the sticks?

Even if it doesn't work, if you are already talking a new mobo, then you will have RAM in hand already. CL22 is pretty bad/low end stuff for gaming. It would have no issue for productivity and consumption usage.

 

[GenerikV]

You mention yourself that the motherboard is supporting the JEDEC speed at 3200.
Does the BIOS offer the ability to enter your own speed and timings or just the various reported JEDEC speeds from the sticks?

Nope, no such configuration is available on stock mobo

Even if it doesn't work, if you are already talking a new mobo, then you will have RAM in hand already. CL22 is pretty bad/low end stuff for gaming. It would have no issue for productivity and consumption usage.

CL16 ram is not at hand ATM. Will have to buy new RAM and Mobo both. The current RAM might not work for new mobo or if it does might run even slower at 2666mhz due to JDEC only (won't run faster than 3200mhz or tighter than CL22 for sure)

So it's either new mobo + new ram to get the ability to tweak the current 3700x CPU to get better performance OR buy a new CPU 5700x as suggested by @CountMike and @helpstar in an earlier post but still not be able to run at full performance same as the case with current 3700x + slow ram + non-configurable mobo

 

[punkncat]

It might be worthwhile to consider loading CPU-Z and see what the reported timings on what you have are.

XMP/JEDEC timings are reported by the RAM and often just "auto" set with a motherboard that can do so, typically on XMP. For what you are saying here, the RAM you have on hand may be capable of faster timings already.

 

[GenerikV]

It might be worthwhile to consider loading CPU-Z and see what the reported timings on what you have are.

XMP/JEDEC timings are reported by the RAM and often just "auto" set with a motherboard that can do so, typically on XMP. For what you are saying here, the RAM you have on hand may be capable of faster timings already.

CPU-Z reports timming 22-22-22-52

https://www.crucial.in/memory/ddr4/ct8g4dfra32a this is basicly the ram I have only difference is the ones in PC currently is made by SK Hynix.
Being bare pcb design I highly doubt it can be overclocked to run at tigher timings even if it goes there somehow might not even be stable or might be risky as well.

 

[GenerikV]

Instead on changing mobo and ram and still staying on AM4, I have decided to go full on and upgrade to AM5 with the following parts costing me around $450 (US pricing approx) Ryzen 7600 is fewer cores but should be enuff for gaming, making my 3070 much happier. Will sell current 3700x + mobo + ram to recover some of the cost.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7600
Mobo: ASRock B650M Pro RS
Ram: G.Skill Flare X5 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MHz DDR5 Memory F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5