Would love to hear your help from old to new

[Jetsada]

Current old rig, I want to upgrade.

CPU: i5-4460
CPU Cooler: Hyper Evo 212
Motherboard: Asrock H97 Anniversary
GPU: Gigabyte Geforce GTX 960 G1 Gaming 2GB GDDR5
(if not needed to upgrade hopefully yet)
RAM: HyperX Fury DDR3 1600MHz CL10 module 8GB (one single stick RAM)
PSU: XFX TS 650W
SSD: Samsung Evo 120GB
HDD: WD Caviar blue 1TB 3.5" 7200rpm SATA 6Gb/s 64MB (mass storage)
Case: Zalman Z3 Plus black
OS: OEM windows 7 home

Dream build/upgrade:

CPU: i5-8600k
CPU Cooler: Noctua-DH15
Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX Z370-E Gaming
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0 (What about my 3 years old gtx 960?)
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX - DDR4 2666 MHz DIMM 288-PIN 2x8GB (16GB RAM)
PSU: EVGA Supernova 650 P2 650W platinum or EVGA Supernova 650W G2 (gold)
SSD: Samsung 860 EVO Series 500GB (not sure about m.2 because budget)
HDD: WD Gold Datacenter Hard Drive WD2005FBYZ 2TB mass storage
Case: S340 Elite blue/black (suits well with my theme)
OS: Windows 10 (not sure how I do without optical drive)

Any idea's, opinions or feedback is welcome. What can I do better or
what would you think I should do for now. My price/budget range is 1300 - 1600 euro's.
Using mostly for AAA title gaming on 1080p monitor (long hours), Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, future video editing and website developing.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Soda-88]

If you're not going to OC the 8600K to 5GHz or more, get the R5 2600X instead.
The money you save on CPU and motherboard can be put towards good B-die RAM kit such as Team Dark Pro 3200-14-14-14-31 or G.Skill FlareX 3200-14-14-14-34. You can run either one of those at 3466-12-12-12-26 on 1.5V VDDQ/1.2V VSOC leaving CPU to its own devices (PB2/XFR2).
You can do this on a $150 motherboard with ease.

Coffee Lake K CPUs have been pushed into the high OC niche in every price segment. They simply aren't worth the money if you're going to run them on auto.

Also, there's the QuickSync caveat to be mentioned here. If you transcode videos using QSV, then obviously Intel is a better choice.

Edit: There's also StoreMI feature on the Ryzen 2 platform. You can find out more about it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3-SqJHYzC0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbl2dYgjMQ4

 

[Jetsada]

If you're not going to OC the 8600K to 5GHz or more, get the R5 2600X instead.
The money you save on CPU and motherboard can be put towards good B-die RAM kit such as Team Dark Pro 3200-14-14-14-31 or G.Skill FlareX 3200-14-14-14-34. You can run either one of those at 3466-12-12-12-26 on 1.5V VDDQ/1.2V VSOC leaving CPU to its own devices (PB2/XFR2).
You can do this on a $150 motherboard with ease.

Coffee Lake K CPUs have been pushed into the high OC niche in every price segment. They simply aren't worth the money if you're going to run them on auto.

Also, there's the QuickSync caveat to be mentioned here. If you transcode videos using QSV, then obviously Intel is a better choice.

Ah thanks for replying!

What I notice about the two different CPU's:

i5 8600k = 242,95 euro's
AMD Ryzen 5 2600X = 214,90 euro's

The price difference is so low, a few euro's extra woulnd't hurt my budget and another thing.
I'm really opting for the i5 8600k since its a minor difference. And the intel would do better for me in future
tasks.

Sticking with the 2666MHZ or 3000/3200MHz? And what u mean with 14-14-14-34?
I see there are many Z370 boards, but don't know which one tbh. Under 200 would be nice.
All I know about the difference of Z370 Asus strix gaming E is that it has wifi/bluetooth and some colors.

Never done OC before, but I kinda want to try basic OC.

 

[Soda-88]

14-14-14-34 are DDR latencies, driving them as low as you can is very important for optimal performance on Ryzen platform. You don't have to worry about it on Intel. To know which RAM kit is better you can perform a very basic calculation based on their specifications. Just divide frequency with average latency (between CL, tRCD and tRP - these range between 14 and 20). The number you get is the performance index of the said kit, e.g. 3600-16-16-16-36 take the frequency 3600 and divide it by average between 16+16+16, which is, you guessed it, 16. You get performance index of 225 (3600 / 16 = 225).
3200-14-14-14-31 gives 228,5. That makes these 2 common examples of Samsung B-die based kits very very similar in performance.

Of course, reality isn't THAT simple. Some applications are more latency sensitive, some prefer high frequency. It's up to the buyer to do research on that matter.

Also, just noticed I missed your concern about not having optical drive, you don't need one to install Windows. Just use media creation tool to create bootable USB drive (which has to be at least 8GB big). https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10

P.S. 8600K has 6 cores and 6 threads, whereas 2600X has 6 cores and 12 threads which is a lot of extra performance in video and 3D rendering.

 

[Jetsada]

14-14-14-34 are DDR latencies, driving them as low as you can is very important for optimal performance on Ryzen platform. You don't have to worry about it on Intel. To know which RAM kit is better you can perform a very basic calculation based on their specifications. Just divide frequency with average latency (between CL, tRCD and tRP - these range between 14 and 20). The number you get is the performance index of the said kit, e.g. 3600-16-16-16-36 take the frequency 3600 and divide it by average between 16+16+16, which is, you guessed it, 16. You get performance index of 225 (3600 / 16 = 225).
3200-14-14-14-31 gives 228,5. That makes these 2 common examples of Samsung B-die based kits very very similar in performance.

Of course, reality isn't THAT simple. Some applications are more latency sensitive, some prefer high frequency. It's up to the buyer to do research on that matter.

Also, just noticed I missed your concern about not having optical drive, you don't need one to install Windows. Just use media creation tool to create bootable USB drive (which has to be at least 8GB big). https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10

P.S. 8600K has 6 cores and 6 threads, whereas 2600X has 6 cores and 12 threads which is a lot of extra performance in video and 3D rendering.

Looks like the 2600X will suit me the best, both are really good aswell but 2600X just beat it more in video and 3D rendering, even im not sure if I will do that 100% completely.

So I need a empty/formatted 8GB usb stick and an ISO file right? And follow the link instructions, thats it?

P.S can u look on my other pc components? What you think of the rest. Both Noctua-NH15 and Kraken x62 is great cooling, but I think Noctua is the winner because I don't use i7 coffee lake (yet)

 

[Soda-88]

Yeah, the media creation tool will do everything for you.

The rest of the components looks fine, although I prefer Crucial MX500 atm, it performs as well as 860 EVO and is usually cheaper. Buy the one that is cheaper at the time you're buying.

Kraken X62 is a better cooler but it's not worth the cost if you're going with 2600X.

Just make sure you buy a decent RAM kit, i.e. the one with Samsung B-die memory chips. I gave 2 examples above already, FlareX would be your best bet since it was specifically binned for Ryzen. https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-16gfx

Also, consider getting a bigger HDD since you said you're going to be doing video editing. 4K videos quickly gobble up your space. Just make sure it's a 7200rpm drive with decent warranty.

PSUs you've listed are top notch, get G2 if it's much cheaper than P2. Unless electricity is very expensive where you live, which would justify paying more for platinum rated unit.

Get a X470 motherboard in $140-180 range, my personal favorite is Asus Prime X470 Pro.

I'd once again like to emphasize the utility behind StoreMI, so if you haven't checked those 2 videos I linked earlier, please do. It is a pretty nifty piece of software.

Apologies for the late reply...

 

[Jetsada]

Yeah, the media creation tool will do everything for you.

The rest of the components looks fine, although I prefer Crucial MX500 atm, it performs as well as 860 EVO and is usually cheaper. Buy the one that is cheaper at the time you're buying.

Kraken X62 is a better cooler but it's not worth the cost if you're going with 2600X.

Just make sure you buy a decent RAM kit, i.e. the one with Samsung B-die memory chips. I gave 2 examples above already, FlareX would be your best bet since it was specifically binned for Ryzen. https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-16gfx

Also, consider getting a bigger HDD since you said you're going to be doing video editing. 4K videos quickly gobble up your space. Just make sure it's a 7200rpm drive with decent warranty.

PSUs you've listed are top notch, get G2 if it's much cheaper than P2. Unless electricity is very expensive where you live, which would justify paying more for platinum rated unit.

Get a X470 motherboard in $140-180 range, my personal favorite is Asus Prime X470 Pro.

I'd once again like to emphasize the utility behind StoreMI, so if you haven't checked those 2 videos I linked earlier, please do. It is a pretty nifty piece of software.

Apologies for the late reply...

No problem if you reply late, Prob building the pc around August/September (or later)

Some things id like to react on:

1) Crucial and Samsung evo are in similar price range (I'm opting for 500GB SSD though)
2) Looks like I'm heading towards an AMD Ryzen build, im very excited and a tiny bit nervous since I heard stereotype things like: "AMD gets hot really quick" but I think AMD Ryzen is very efficient and better and mostly outperforms Intel cpu's. With proper cooling like Noctua-NH15, no problem. AMD Ryzen 5 2500X it its, looks cool tho and cheaper then i5-8600k (20 euro difference)
3) Yes I did watch the link for RAM Kit, and its amazing and great for Ryzen build which I'm prob heading towards, do I
have to turn on the XPM for my RAM to get on 3200MHz right in BIOS?
4) WD Gold Datacenter Hard Drive WD4002FYYZ (this one has 7200rpm and 4TB mass storage and high certificate)
5) Difference between the G2 and P2 650W PSU is that the price difference for me is 30 euro's. Well I live in the Netherlands and electricity is good. I'm happily to pay extra 30 more for P2.
6) I check some X470 and this one catched my eye: Asus ROG STRIX X470-F gaming. the Asus Prime X470 pro is nice too and slightly cheaper. (25 euro difference)
6) I checked the StoreMI for AMD aswell, prob gonna watch it again when its time to "actual" build the pc.

Thanks yet again

 

[Soda-88]

1) As I said before, they perform about the same, both vendors are highly regarded for their reliability and customer service so you can't go wrong with either. Pick the cheaper option at the time of purchase.

2) That is now a thing of the past (Bulldozer microarchitecture), Ryzen is completely new and the only thing in which it trails Intel is max max overclock potential which is is offset with extra cores/threads at each price tier.
NH15 is perfectly capable of cooling 2600X indeed.

3) Yes, you have to turn XMP on (it's called different between different board vendors, DOCP for ASUS, A-XMP for MSI, etc.)

6) Recent Strix boards have been pretty much not worth it over Prime since they appear to be the same. Same VRM, same BIOS capabilities... it's just all black and has ROG logo printed on it. The only actual difference is troubleshooting LEDs on Strix which are omitted from Prime for some ungodly reason.

 

[Jetsada]

1) As I said before, they perform about the same, both vendors are highly regarded for their reliability and customer service so you can't go wrong with either. Pick the cheaper option at the time of purchase.

2) That is now a thing of the past (Bulldozer microarchitecture), Ryzen is completely new and the only thing in which it trails Intel is max max overclock potential which is is offset with extra cores/threads at each price tier.
NH15 is perfectly capable of cooling 2600X indeed.

3) Yes, you have to turn XMP on (it's called different between different board vendors, DOCP for ASUS, A-XMP for MSI, etc.)

6) Recent Strix boards have been pretty much not worth it over Prime since they appear to be the same. Same VRM, same BIOS capabilities... it's just all black and has ROG logo printed on it. The only actual difference is troubleshooting LEDs on Strix which are omitted from Prime for some ungodly reason.

Ah allright, well this sums up everything for now. Thank you for your time
Now I know what to do when building.