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DutchFellah

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Hey I'm playing warzone 2 and I'm getting avg 85 fps on low settings, 1080p vs 1440p is simular fps and it won't go above 100 on either. I feel like it might be my cpu (I5 9400F) my card is RX 5700XT. Would a ryzen 5 5600x or ryzen 7 5800x get me over 100 fps+? Or is it waste of money

My pc:

Processor & cooler:
I5 9400F
Hyper Evo 212 Black Edition
Videocard:
RX 5700XT 8GB
Motherboard:
Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Pro WIFI
Ram:
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO
16GB (2x8) 3200mhz
SSD:
Crucial P5 Plus 1TB
 
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geofelt said:
If you do not get about the same score, your processor is not operating up to capability.
The listing gives you some idea of what other processors are capable of.
The single thread capability is the key cpu metric for good gaming.
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CPU-Z gave me a single thread score of 465 so it works fine but just isn't good enough I guess.
 
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Aeacus said:
More like equal to GTX 1070 Ti/ RTX 3060, rather than RTX 2070. And i'm not even going to compare driver compatibility between Radeon and Nvidia. It's well known that Nvidia drivers are far better than Radeon drivers.



As said above, upgrading CPU to i7-9700(K) could be cheaper, than going with new CPU-MoBo (and even RAM) combo. And also buy better CPU cooler, since Hyper 212 isn't enough for Core i7.

Performance wise, i7-9700K is equal to R5 5600X.
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9700K still sell around 250-300 bucks
there's really no good reason to buy one of those anymore considering

B660 mobo with 12400F combo deals run a little under 250 these days,
while a fair bit faster in both single and multi-threaded workloads, at much
lower heat and power. And that's not even considering how toasty coffee
lakes get when running avx2 workloads :)

And unlike the LGA1151, which is a dead end discontinued platform, LGA1700
still has a decent upgrade path from 12gen to 13gen and a possibly another 13gen broadwell-esque refresh down the road next year.
 
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Bazzy 505 said:
9700K still sell around 250-300 bucks
there's really no good reason to buy one of those anymore considering
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IF the price is right, one could buy 9th gen Core i7 CPU.

Since we don't know from where OP is, and what their local (2nd hand) market situation is, we can't instantly dismiss that option either. Just because i7-9700K costs 250-300 bucks in USA, doesn't mean it costs the same everywhere else in the world.
 
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Aeacus said:
IF the price is right, one could buy 9th gen Core i7 CPU.

Since we don't know from where OP is, and what their local (2nd hand) market situation is, we can't instantly dismiss that option either. Just because i7-9700K costs 250-300 bucks in USA, doesn't mean it costs the same everywhere else in the world.
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True but that price would have to be <$100 for it to be worth buying 4 year old tech compared with new in my opinion.
 
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The CPUs so the speed will be the same, so it all depends on the price. I don't know if buying a 9700K will be cheaper than buying a Ryzen 5700X + Asrock Legend B450 and selling the mainboard and the CPU.

I would rather upgrade to 9700K if the price is similar, and if you don't have any problem with your mainboard.

Most of the time in replacing the part you will lose some money.
 
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Aeacus said:
IF the price is right, one could buy 9th gen Core i7 CPU.

Since we don't know from where OP is, and what their local (2nd hand) market situation is, we can't instantly dismiss that option either. Just because i7-9700K costs 250-300 bucks in USA, doesn't mean it costs the same everywhere else in the world.
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intel portfolio unlike amd has fairly consistent pricing across the regions, and even on second market, intel cpus don't tend to loose retail value the same way as other brands. There also another aspect to this, coffee lake's perceived performance came with a lot of caveats.

In many ways, it sits in similar place as Prescott microarchitecture all those years ago. in mixed workloads it still performes reasonably well, but when avx2 extensions come into play, which modern titles increasingly take advantage of, they flare up like a blow torch.

Maximum memory bandwidth for 9700K is 41.6GB/S regardless of what what memory modules you use. and overclocking bus is a terrible idea as it trickles down to everything else in the system causing huge stability issues.

Maximim memory bandwidth for 12400F, which by all means represents an entry level SKU in 12th gen, 76.8GB/S which is close to double of what 9700K can support. Access latency is also much lower on 12gen.

This may not manifest in in productivity worloads as much but has heavy impact on frame rate consistency in games, and you the list goes on from cache all the way to general connectivity,

It's just a terrible value for the money period, average selling price for new 9700K old stock is around 450 bucks in retail; with 250-300 range being average selling price on ebay ( all regions) most of them previosuly used. Quite frankly even at 200 it's not worth it
 
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DutchFellah said:
I'm thinking about the ryzen 7 5700x with a b450 motherboard. Sell my own parts, should only be about 280 bucks ryzen 7 5700x + Asrock steel legend b450
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a legitimate choice too at very similar price to 12400F and more or less same performance.
but you need to bear in mind AM4 is a dead end platform with no upgrade path ahead of you, while the latter has whole 12th gen + 13 gen to choose from going forward
 
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falcon291 said:
The CPUs so the speed will be the same, so it all depends on the price. I don't know if buying a 9700K will be cheaper than buying a Ryzen 5700X + Asrock Legend B450 and selling the mainboard and the CPU.

I would rather upgrade to 9700K if the price is similar, and if you don't have any problem with your mainboard.

Most of the time in replacing the part you will lose some money.
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Bazzy 505 said:
a legitimate choice too at very similar price to 12400F and more or less same performance.
but you need to bear in mind AM4 is a dead end platform with no upgrade path ahead of you, while the latter has whole 12th gen + 13 gen to choose from going forward
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I probably will not upgrade my pc after this and just and sell this one. In the future I will buy a new system. So I don't really mind that.
 
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Bazzy 505 said:
Maximum memory bandwidth for 9700K is 41.6GB/S regardless of what what memory modules you use.
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Strange thing that in the next video higher bandwidth is possible ... about min2.40 in,

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VElMNPXJtuA



DutchFellah said:
I probably will not upgrade my pc after this and just and sell this one. In the future I will buy a new system. So I don't really mind that.
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Think you're right, for coming years is something like the 5700x likely enough to sustain fps and after that already newer cpu's will have come so would be best at that time again to see how things work out.
Personally i probably would look at 13th gen Intel like the 13600K, but the 5700x should be fine. You'd better look at another nicer monitor as well with some higher pixelrate like 1440p or even higher, that enhances imo the gaming experince as much. That said not knowing what monitor you have right now.
 
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Vic 40 said:
Strange thing that in the next video higher bandwidth is possible ... about min2.40 in,

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VElMNPXJtuA




Think you're right, for coming years is something like the 5700x likely enough to sustain fps and after that already newer cpu's will have come so would be best at that time again to see how things work out.
Personally i probably would look at 13th gen Intel like the 13600K, but the 5700x should be fine. You'd better look at another nicer monitor as well with some higher pixelrate like 1440p or even higher, that enhances imo the gaming experince as much. That said not knowing what monitor you have right now.
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well the thing is coffee lake refresh memory controller can't really read/write faster than 2666MT/S, so even if motherboard can technically accept higher speed memory , it won't yeld any real performance gain, as the very same video shows just after that chart. The small differences there are in real test are, mostly due to timing diffences and tiny little difference in overal latency.
 
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Vic 40 said:
I must have looked at a different video then ....

What you say is that higher speed ram is a hoax.
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not a hoax per say, motherboard manufactures technically "support" em, the catch is memory controller never writes at those speeds hehe so while your memory modules technically run at those speeds, coffee lake simple isn't capable of of writing/reading to it each cycle lol. More of a marketing play to get you spend more 😉

hence the "reputation" in kaby,skylake & coffee lake not being "sensitive" about memory speed

on a slightly different note, it's not unlike situation on the gpu side of things, number of draw calls we can make hasn't really changed all that much over the years, we just learned to work around that limitation 😉

and finally, there are more reviewers that there are drops in the bucket of water, and a good number of them just don't understand how things really work on hardware level
 
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