I'm asking... Who was it that gave a rating to my previous post, but didn't bother to reply to it? I consider such an act rude, as it also suggests that the person didn't read the post. And that was one of the shorter posts I've ever written on a long topic like this.
you should instead oc your pda with liquid nitrogen. Id like to see solitare running at 1ghz
To be honest, I've had solitaire run at well over 3.0GHz. The advantage is not worth the outlay, I think.
Is the fact that Intel has installed the "Trusted Platform Module" escaped everyone's notice, including the media and reviewers ????
Public opinion has beat this idea down every time it pops up, now Intel has married it to one of the most desirable chips in many years and managed to keep the whole thing quiet.
Now think about this... Apple will soon start using this Intel Core 2 Duo chip as well and that leaves only AMD as the lone holdout that has refused to install this "Cop on a chip".
Want to install your purchased copy of something on your other pc too? NOPE, none of that.
Did your brother drop by to install something he bought?
NOPE, none of that.
Got Media Licenses to match all those media files?
NOPE, none of that.
No telling what other uses the Movie, Record and Software industry has in store for us. I just know I dont want to be a part of it.
I for one, do not want anyone to be able to reach in my system and start disabling software. I buy tons of software and register almost none of it, that would probably set off a flag too.
Sure there's good reasons for having "Trusted Computing" on my PC. All the other crap they stuck in there has the smell of big Media and large Corporations all over it.
I've been waiting for months for the Conroe to be released, but now, I wouldnt touch it.
I'm buying whatever AMD is selling now.
Wake Up People - Google "Trusted Computing" and "Trusted Platform Module" if you want to get a taste of what Im talking about.
Well, I'll admit I'm being a bit apprehensive over the whole TC idea. Personally, I don't like any company that thinks that they know what I want my PC to do than myself.
I'm especially wary of anything that promises to allow "digital rights management." Especially since, last I checked, most companies are actually not too fond of the actual laws and rights in place. It's a political issue; we live in a capitalistic society, (a market-driven economy) while the corporations obviously desire a mercantilist society. (a market, and economy, driven by those with monetary power)
I despise any attempts by companies to curtail anybody else's rights.
I just wanted to add that I have a personal moral problem buying from a company which invests so heavily in a war-mongering, apartheid system.
Intel has a multi-billion dollar Fab plant in Israel. We are currently getting drawn into a WW3 and lost many lives in the 9-11 disaster because of Israel's influence in the USA through their powerful AIPAC lobby -- the most powerful in Washington -- and Jewish control of the media and politics. This is not good. I don't want my kids dying in some stupid war for Israel.
I hate to say it, because there are a lot of good people at Intel, but personally and morally I would never touch an Intel product.
AMD has huge Fab's in Dresden Germany and in Austin Texas. I can deal with that.
That's an interesting way to look at it. But from my perspective, (which some may see as tinted as I live in the USA) it's simply that Intel employs numerous people in Israel. To me, it has little to do with the politics of Intel, and in particularl, really how Intel's having an impact on Israel. And political science is my specialty! (far more so than computer hardware)
I'm sorry
but anyone who rushes out and buys a Core 2 that anything greater that 3200+ or P4 3ghz
is a fool.
It is comparable to Impulse shopping
This may sound strange to some people, but it is your best interests to wait 6 months to see how AMD settles in. and how well conroe Scale in future.
I'm Very Superstitious and believe in Dejavoo
The time before Athlon 64
Athlon XP pummeled Pentium 3
Pentium 3 walked over Pentium 4 Willamette
But enter Northwood 2.4GHZ+
Athlon XP became second class Numbers similar to what we see here with COnroe
Athlon 64 (K8) is here for the long haul Large speed bumps over the next 6 months should be expected its a matter of which one handles Higher Bandwidth needs
Does Athlon 64 Scale as high as we a led to believe thanks to ondie Memory Controller and Hypertransport?
What the Hell does Athlon 64 need with Dual Channel DDR2 at 800mhz, it clearly isnt using/saturating it, will it sometime soon?
I'm waiting months to make my decision.
Pentium Pro (P6) scaled from 200MHz to 1.4GHZ Pentium 3 (Tualitin)
Is K8 AMDs Pentium Pro?
Indeed, most people don't need a Conroe at all. Hence why I said I wouldn't upgrade to one; my current PC works just fine, even for top-end gaming like
Oblivion.
My question is this... are the Core 2s 64 bit? I mean Vista is coming out, and will take 64 bit and make it more mainstream. Or, if you aren't going the Windows route, then Linux has been 64 bit for some time.
So my question is, are the Core 2s 64 bit? Because if not then I'm sorry, but I will still regard the Intel processors as crippled, and cannot view Intel as having regained a leadership position. It is like someone in a wheelchair. Sure they may be able to spin those wheels really fast, but they are still missing half their functionality.
Yes, I think Conroe, (Core 2) if not Yonah, (Core 1) are capable of x64 processing, even if Banias and Dothan (Pentium M) weren't.
And for those of you that don't want to get Core 2 system now, I am sure if K8L comes out you will upgrade(even 4x4) because its AMD?? :roll:
I was very sure when it showed Core Duo overclocked to FX-60 speeds barely outperformed FX-60 with expensive mobo, somehow people saw it was justified, but 20% advantage with lower priced CPU isn't??
Actually, I don't plan on getting a Core 2 system now. Simply put, when I built my system in early 2004 (an Athlon64, if you must know) I decided that at the earliest, I would keep it until mid-2007, and quite possibly into 2008. At the time, Conroe had yet to be even dreamt of, and it wasn't quite to the point where people were realizing that a Pentium M bested a Prescott easily.
Right now, my system works for me just fine. Though it's an Athlon64 2800+, on the "antiquidated" socket 754, with an AGP slot, I can do all that I intend to do, and do it fairly well;
Oblivion plays smoothly with settings comparable, if not exceeding, those that the game has on the Xbox 360.
Unreal Tournament 2004 (one of the main catalysts for me making my system) plays at 60fps no matter what I do. And
Unreal Tournament 2007 will likely play fairly well.
For the vast majority of people, including a large number of hardware enthusiasts such as myself, it's not favoratism that keeps us from jumping onto the Conroe bandwagon immediately, it's that we simply don't need it yet. Given a year or two, we'll want to upgrade from our current systems; if the landscape looks the same as today, you can bet your rig that we'll likely want a Conroe processor over whatever AMD has to offer. Until then, though, it's window-shopping: we admire, and move on.
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