[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]You were the one who goes on ranting about how Blizzard charges for expansions as if they were only one doing it. Then claimed that other games don't do it like Lord of the Rings Online and it was shown that indeed it is commonplace. You have ONE example of a subscription based game that does not sell expansions. That is the exception, not the rule.[/citation]
You are wrong. Go back and read my posts and you will see that you are wrong. I very plainly said that I SUSPECTED that LOTRO was similar to Eve and I was not 100% sure because I didn't play LOTRO. I NEVER said that Blizzard was the only company charging for "expansion packs" and losing revenue as a result. You, on the other hand, stated WITH CERTAINTY that NO subscription based game did not charge for "expansion packs". I only need ONE example because you stated WITH CERTAINTY that there were NONE. Admit you were wrong and move on.
[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]And Wrath NEVER cost $49.99 new. Here's a link to a September 2008 article on Kotaku about Wrath's release pricing
http://kotaku.com/5045310/wrath-of [...] date-price and as you can see it says $40 (which is rounded from $39.99) so please, just stop lieing. If you aren't lieing, how about providing links to advertisements showing it, because if you paid $50, that shows you to be an awful consumer who actually works at being ripped of. As for the sales, the two times Blizzard has had it, they advertised it all over the place. Perhaps you didn't see it like you didn't see how all these other sub based games sell expansions.[/citation]
I went back and checked my credit card bills and you are right, I paid $39.99. I don't know how I got it into my head that I paid $49.99, but I was not lying, I was mistaken. At least I admit when I am wrong.
But the 25% price difference doesn't really make that much of a difference to the underlying argument. Blizzard is losing $180 of revenue per year per account because Blizzard wants to charge $40 for an "expansion pack". I currently have three Eve accounts. That is $540 of revenue that I will have paid Eve after a year instead of Blizzard, all because Blizzard wants to charge me $120 ($40 times 3) on top of the $540.
[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]As for the sales, the two times Blizzard has had it, they advertised it all over the place. Perhaps you didn't see it like you didn't see how all these other sub based games sell expansions.[/citation]
Really? That is strange, because I saw a crap load of commercials advertising cata, and I saw a few ads on web sites advertising that people could play to level 20 for free, but I never once saw any commercial or ad saying that you could get into the game for under $50. And why does it have to be a sale? Why not just make that the permanent price? The price seems fair to me. I guess Blizzard feels that the price is not fair for the long term?
[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]And the comparison of local games was merely in response to your insinuation that it's so expensive to get started with WoW, "In addition, how can you expect a new player to buy all of the "expansion packs" just so they can play with their friends?" is what you said. As I showed, it is, at most, $30 more to get EVERYTHING for WoW than what a console game would cost. A monthly fee for a sub game or microtransactions for a F2P game is expected for an MMO and thus is incidental to the discussion. If a person has an issue paying $90 over $60 for many times the content, then they shouldn't buy a game where they have to pay up to $180 a year on subscription fees while playing that game, even if the game was $5.[/citation]
Back to this old argument again? $90 compared to $60 is a 50% increase in startup cost. A 50% increase is not small. And let's look at the total cost of ownership: for the console game you have $60 over a year and for WOW you have $270 over a year, which comes out to a 350% increase. Once again, it is like comparing apples to oranges when you compare the cost of a game that does not have a subscription with the cost of WOW, or any subscription based game.
If $15/month is "incidental", then it seems like you are arguing that Blizzard should not charge $15/month because it is so "incidental". I mean, if it is so "incidental" then it should not matter to Blizzard.
[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]BTW, I am one of those "attrition" numbers. I can assure you that I, and those I know, who left WoW did not do so because of cost. If you want to complain about WoW, complain about how the community has been destroyed or how the story get's constantly retconned or how the gameplay is being directed to non Warcraft fans and pushing away long time Warcraft fans.[/citation]
I feel your pain. Seriously. But I am stating my opinion how and when I want to. That is what free speech is all about. If you want to interpret me stating my opinion as complaining that is your choice, and in which case I can state that you are complaining about me stating my opinion, which you have a right to do. But seriously, don't tell me how to exercise my right of free speech. That is for me to decide, not you.