X38 question

[EV700]

I'm going to try to wait on the x38 because I have a feeling that those specs for the G92 are correct; I think it could put it up to or over current bandwidth limits of PCI Express 1. What I'm personally wanting is a machine that will be great for about 2 full years, end of 2009/beginning of 2010, then the next Windows will be out and games will be progressed by 2 years; one would hope technology would be right for a great upgrade then.

 

[T8RR8R]

It never ends, I think you know what I mean

 

[EV700]

Yeah, but I think it'd be crazy to buy now and live with the decision for two full years when technology with twice the performance is just 3 months away.

 

[ravx]

PCI express 2.0 allows more power as you've mentioned an it also runs at speeds of up to 32x instead of just 16x. On another note though, I don't even think the G92 cards will utilize ALL that 16x. However like someone else said, it's a great backbone for whatever comes later on. I would like to see Nvidia's retaliation to the X38. Obviously the 700 series will improve alot over the 600 series but nobody knows much about that yet. Also I'm glad that Nvidia is playing leapfrog in the chipset market with Intel. Even if a product seems to come out later it'd be fine if it was better in some ways and offered something the other competition didn't, unlike the R600. Although R600 cards are coming down in prices to make them more justified. Getting back to the X38 though, I'll be surprised to see these board going for less than $250. Take a look at 975x boards, they still aren't that cheap. I personally don't mind spending ~200 for a board, but it's gotta be pretty sweet.

T8RR8R -

Do you think they will release mid-ranged versions of the X38 that will cater to a sub $200 crowd? I have been in the same mental delimma - wait the month for X38 or go P35 now. As a mid-ranged user I am not looking for a $250 board but something that has enough features for the money, and if the X38 is going to be solely high end then its probably better that I pull the trigger on the P35 now. At ~$150 most P35 boards seem right up the mid-ranged ally but I will admit that having a board that supports .45, 1333FSB, PCIe 2.0, AND SLI capability (allegedly) is very inticing indeed ....

 

[W-Molders]

stupid question here.. will the x38 help onboard lan bandwidth for DLing or online gaming performance .. as of now the route is going through the PCI-E 1 on most boards ... when you say PCI 2.. is that for just the GPU or all periph's thansk

 

[sdk1985]

So will there be an new nforce aswell? Will new cards also work on currect PCI-E. I also need a new system now but I don't like to spend 190 euro on a motherboard that I have to replace next year just for adding a new 3d card (!). Will it be backwards compatible? My current card is agp8x but my mobo is agp4x and it still works fine.

 

[EV700]

So will there be an new nforce aswell? Will new cards also work on currect PCI-E. I also need a new system now but I don't like to spend 190 euro on a motherboard that I have to replace next year just for adding a new 3d card (!). Will it be backwards compatible? My current card is agp8x but my mobo is agp4x and it still works fine.

There will be a new Nvidia chipset released before the end of the year also.

PCI-E 2.0 cards will be backward compatible with PCI-E 1.0, although PCI-E 1.0 is half the bandwidth and does not provide the extra power.

 

[Blackguard83]

So basically you propose to wait for new nVIDIA motherboard with c73 chipset for Intel instead of jumping on X38 bandwagon? How much it may cost approximately when it is released? And why exactly it is considered the leap in technology?

 

[EV700]

So basically you propose to wait for new nVIDIA motherboard with c73 chipset for Intel instead of jumping on X38 bandwagon? How much it may cost approximately when it is released? And why exactly it is considered the leap in technology?

Either wait for the c72 or the x38, yes. I am personally leaning toward the x38 with DDR2 at 1066. If I go Nvidia, it will be the c73 instead of the c73. The c72 is 1333 Mhz FSB and 1066 Mhz DDR2, which is all that will be needed until it's time to upgrade again. The c73 is 1600 Mhz FSB and 1600 Mhz DDR3. I am personally very disappointed in the 4 slot memory support of the 680 chipset from Nvidia, so I find it hard to trust them right now.

 

[lensman]

Don't forget that chances are, X38 motherboards are going to be very expensive. Besides the premium chipset aspect, they're going to support Crossfire (and maybe SLi too) and PCI-e 2.0. I'd be surprised to see anything less than $300 at intro. It's not clear to me that it makes sense to pay that kind of premium just for futureproofing. Rather, it might make more sense to buy a midrange now (or whenever you really need it) and wait for Eaglelake in 2008.

 

[Joe_The_Dragon]

It seems like a good idea, but I think there's a few things to point out.

The first x38 boards have new things, mainly the pci-e 2.0.

While this seems great, no manufacturer will produce cards that ONLY support this new standard. Only early adopters will be able to purchase these cards and their profits will be non-existent.

pci-e 2.0 looks to be the same thing as AGP x4 and x8 faster x8 cards do work in x4 slots and x4 cards work in x8 slots.

PCI-e 1.0 (or whatever the current standard is) is still what the majority uses, plus the bandwidth of the port has not been maxed. Its the same thing as SATA 1. There's Sata 2, but theres no need for it, hence the raptor's choice for sata 1.

sata 2 add other things then just more speed.

Are you going for SLI or crossfire? the x38 will probably support this. There are a few p35 boards that have crossfire support already. Both the p35 and x38 support penryn.

I went p35 b/c I can't see a good reason to wait for x38 (I don't need SLI/Crossfire or any extra slots). Getting a Q6600 to 4.0ghz on water will be hard enough on a p35 due to heat problems, NOT restrictions due to the mobo.

I'd be surprised to see the 9800gtx support ONLY pci-e 2.0. That will kill the card. How many people would be able to buy it? 200 at most?

And the pci-e 2.0 is not going to be a physical change from what I heard. you can run current PCI-E graphics cards in it. Maybe the slot is larger for more pins for the 2.0?

more pins like agp pro that give the card more power? most card that need a lot of power will just have the plugs for it on them.

 

[Joe_The_Dragon]

stupid question here.. will the x38 help onboard lan bandwidth for DLing or online gaming performance .. as of now the route is going through the PCI-E 1 on most boards ... when you say PCI 2.. is that for just the GPU or all periph's thansk

some nvdia chipsets have it build in the chipset with tcp / ip offload that will speed up games more then a faster pci-e link as the bandwidth that most IPS give you does not even fill up a pci 33 link.

 

[W-Molders]

some nvdia chipsets have it build in the chipset with tcp / ip offload that will speed up games more then a faster pci-e link as the bandwidth that most IPS give you does not even fill up a pci 33 link.

what chipset is this,, thanks

 

[EV700]

Don't forget that chances are, X38 motherboards are going to be very expensive. Besides the premium chipset aspect, they're going to support Crossfire (and maybe SLi too) and PCI-e 2.0. I'd be surprised to see anything less than $300 at intro. It's not clear to me that it makes sense to pay that kind of premium just for futureproofing. Rather, it might make more sense to buy a midrange now (or whenever you really need it) and wait for Eaglelake in 2008.

Not as far as I'm concerned. The Eaglelake looks to be only a chipset that is trimming the fat; things like PS/2 and IDE.

 

[Joe_The_Dragon]

IDE has been cut form new intel chip sets for some time and the boards use a 3th party chip for it.

 

[Joe_The_Dragon]

what chipset is this,, thanks

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