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Right i need to a graphics card my 9200 isn't good enough
for my athlon 64 3200+ , so i was gonna get a 6800 ultra but am i better off
getting a X800??? ...does it have any advantages??


Groover!
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groover wrote:
> Right i need to a graphics card my 9200 isn't good enough
> for my athlon 64 3200+ , so i was gonna get a 6800 ultra but am i better off
> getting a X800??? ...does it have any advantages??
>
>
> Groover!
> Remember if a man is left alone with a TEA cosy and doesn't try it on his a
> weirdo!!
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>
>
>

Yes, it supports 3dc tech which will be useful cause half-life2 uses
these types of maps. You need to see the screen shots to appreciate how
much better HL2 will look vs any nvidia card.

Jeff B
 
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 03:57:46 GMT, Jeff B <fake@addy.com> wrote:

>
>
>groover wrote:
>> Right i need to a graphics card my 9200 isn't good enough
>> for my athlon 64 3200+ , so i was gonna get a 6800 ultra but am i better off
>> getting a X800??? ...does it have any advantages??
>>
>>
>> Groover!
>> Remember if a man is left alone with a TEA cosy and doesn't try it on his a
>> weirdo!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>Yes, it supports 3dc tech which will be useful cause half-life2 uses
>these types of maps.

Yeah. Drop $300-$500 to better support one mediocre re-tread
of a very original game idea, but now ~5 years old.

Very forward looking indeed.

John Lewis

BTW. Enjoy Steam support of HL2... I shall truly enjoy
cheering ( jeering? ) from the sidelines............

>You need to see the screen shots to appreciate how
>much better HL2 will look vs any nvidia card.
>
>Jeff B
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So the decision is between an X800XT and a 6800 Ultra.

Well, without any brand bias at all I can tell you that the fact that the
X800XT takes up only 1 slot where the 6800 takes 2 would sell me. Add on top
of that these things, and it's a no brainer: the X800XT requires less power
(6800 recommends 480watt PSU - X800 has no such requirement), only 1 molex
connector where the 6800 requires two molex connectors, runs cooler
resulting in lower case temperature than with 6800, has lower stock db level
(it's quieter than 6800), outperforms the 6800 in most benchmarks.

3DC is a nice feature for normal map compression but it's not enough to sway
me one direction or the other.

Cheers and enjoy your spakin new X800XT.

--
Tony DiMarzio
djtone81@hotmail.com
djraid@comcast.net


"groover" <sambadeamigo@woohah.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Right i need to a graphics card my 9200 isn't good enough
> for my athlon 64 3200+ , so i was gonna get a 6800 ultra but am i better
off
> getting a X800??? ...does it have any advantages??
>
>
> Groover!
> Remember if a man is left alone with a TEA cosy and doesn't try it on his
a
> weirdo!!
>
>
>
>
 
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"groover" <sambadeamigo@woohah.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Right i need to a graphics card my 9200 isn't good enough
> for my athlon 64 3200+ , so i was gonna get a 6800 ultra but am i better
off
> getting a X800??? ...does it have any advantages??

Let's see:

6800 - 2 slots - lots more power needed
DirectX9c - OpenGL 1.5

x800 - 1 slot - lots less power needed
DirectX9b - OpenGL 2.0

Now dx9c support in software is cool, but no games use it and there isn't
even a dx9c yet! (So the *only* 9b in hardware at this time makes perfect
sense) And why they only went Ogl 1.5 and ATI went 2.0?

People are talking about PCI-express 6800 SLI, but come on! New mobo and
two cards? I can't afford that now, and the gains on PCI-express right now
are otherwise are negligible.

I broke my piggy on my AMD64bit upgrade, but I like the potential.
(Hopefully by the time I can afford the x800 I will have good drivers for XP
64bit!)
 
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"groover" <sambadeamigo@woohah.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Right i need to a graphics card my 9200 isn't good enough
> for my athlon 64 3200+ , so i was gonna get a 6800 ultra but am i better
off
> getting a X800??? ...does it have any advantages??
>
>
> Groover!
> Remember if a man is left alone with a TEA cosy and doesn't try it on his
a
> weirdo!!


The Nvidia takes up two slots, it takes a lot more power (recommended 480W i
think), x800 xt does better than any other card in tests, although it is not
as good at 3d work in 3d max and lightwave, the x800 is more than adequite.
and the next flurry of games which include half life 2 and doom 3 will make
the best of the x800, but saying that, I read somewhere that the nvidia has
some new inovations which will make it last a bit longer and be able to
handle the next, next gen games using things like skin shaders and stuff (as
you can tell I didnt read much on it), plus, and this is the clincher, the
x800 xt is a lot cheaper.

Have fun with whatever card you choose, I personally am waiting for my X800
XT to come through.
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> one mediocre re-tread
> of a very original game idea, but now ~5 years old.
>
> Very forward looking indeed.


Just as Doom3 is merely a retread of 8 year old Doom.

>
> John Lewis
>
> BTW. Enjoy Steam support of HL2... I shall truly enjoy
> cheering ( jeering? ) from the sidelines............

What is Steam support?

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> The Nvidia takes up two slots,

This is pretty much a non-issue since who uses all their PCI slots
anymore? I have 6 PCI and use only one.

> it takes a lot more power (recommended 480W i
> think),

Nvidia backed off on this one, now says a 350 watt will do.
So for great majority of users, another non-issue.

> plus, and this is the clincher, the
> x800 xt is a lot cheaper.

No, they are the same price.

>
> Have fun with whatever card you choose, I personally am waiting for my X800
> XT to come through.

This one's too close to call, but I'm leaning toward the
x800xt cause of 3dc. That said, I'm keeping an open mind and will test both
in my own system, and keep the winner.

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"Jeff B" <fake@addy.com> wrote in message
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> > The Nvidia takes up two slots,
>
> This is pretty much a non-issue since who uses all their PCI slots
> anymore? I have 6 PCI and use only one.
>
> > it takes a lot more power (recommended 480W i
> > think),
>
> Nvidia backed off on this one, now says a 350 watt will do.
> So for great majority of users, another non-issue.
>
> > plus, and this is the clincher, the
> > x800 xt is a lot cheaper.
>
> No, they are the same price.
>
> >
> > Have fun with whatever card you choose, I personally am waiting for my
X800
> > XT to come through.
>
> This one's too close to call, but I'm leaning toward the
> x800xt cause of 3dc. That said, I'm keeping an open mind and will test
both
> in my own system, and keep the winner.
>
> Jeff B
>
>

To Jeff B

Just as a matter of intrest where can u get the nvidia for the same price?
I've looked everywhere and all have the X800 XT for cheaper, quite a bit
cheaper. X800 XT = £360 and the 6800 = £410 +

cheers
Shiva
 

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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 01:48:02 +0100, "groover"
<sambadeamigo@woohah.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>Right i need to a graphics card my 9200 isn't good enough
>for my athlon 64 3200+ , so i was gonna get a 6800 ultra but am i better off
>getting a X800??? ...does it have any advantages??
>
>
>Groover!
>Remember if a man is left alone with a TEA cosy and doesn't try it on his a
>weirdo!!
>
>
>

Its a no brainer .. X800 all the way. Save yourself $100.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjMy

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"Pluvious" <Pluvious@knowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 01:48:02 +0100, "groover"
> <sambadeamigo@woohah.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Right i need to a graphics card my 9200 isn't good enough
> >for my athlon 64 3200+ , so i was gonna get a 6800 ultra but am i better
off
> >getting a X800??? ...does it have any advantages??
> >
> >
> >Groover!
> >Remember if a man is left alone with a TEA cosy and doesn't try it on his
a
> >weirdo!!
> >
> >
> >
>
> Its a no brainer .. X800 all the way. Save yourself $100.
>
> http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjMy
>
> Pluvious
>
>
I think this says it all. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

"If you compare the price points of the cards' MSRP, you will find that the
GeForce 6800Ultra at $499 MSRP should compete against the Radeon X800XT-PE,
which also has an MSRP of $499. The X800Pro comes in at a lower price point
of $399. You would think that video cards set at the same price would
perform similarly, but as we have shown in our initial X800 series review,
our recent VisionTek X800Pro review, and now this article, this is not the
case. The X800Pro at one hundred dollars less than the GeForce 6800Ultra was
either matching or beating it in game performance."
 

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John Lewis wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 03:57:46 GMT, Jeff B <fake@addy.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>groover wrote:
>>
>>>Right i need to a graphics card my 9200 isn't good enough
>>>for my athlon 64 3200+ , so i was gonna get a 6800 ultra but am i better off
>>>getting a X800??? ...does it have any advantages??
>>>
>>>
>>>Groover!
>>>Remember if a man is left alone with a TEA cosy and doesn't try it on his a
>>>weirdo!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Yes, it supports 3dc tech which will be useful cause half-life2 uses
>>these types of maps.
>
>
> Yeah. Drop $300-$500 to better support one mediocre re-tread
> of a very original game idea, but now ~5 years old.

Well stick with solitaire if you so well desire or come up with an
original idea of your own. More than likely, you are just a jealous old
fart who can't afford a new PC on there government pension allowance.
Get a Nintendo or a Gameboy, thats what other plebs would be using in
your class, or start going to Bingo.

>
> Very forward looking indeed.
>
> John Lewis
>
> BTW. Enjoy Steam support of HL2... I shall truly enjoy
> cheering ( jeering? ) from the sidelines............

Problems? Was working fine for me 6 months ago when I took it out for a
spin with CS.

>
>
>>You need to see the screen shots to appreciate how
>>much better HL2 will look vs any nvidia card.
>>
>>Jeff B
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>
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>
> Just as a matter of intrest where can u get the nvidia for the same price?
> I've looked everywhere and all have the X800 XT for cheaper, quite a bit
> cheaper. X800 XT = £360 and the 6800 = £410 +
>
> cheers
> Shiva
>
>
You can't get either right now so I would call
them 'unavailable'. At least that's the situation in the US.
I was refering to the MSRP which is $499.99 for both cards.
I imagine that eventually, both will drop below the MSRP,
but that is a prediction, not a fact.

Jeff B