News x86 reigns supreme as Snapdragon X Elite chips captured just 0.8% of the market with 720,000 units sold in Q3 2024 — Qualcomm misses out on rising...

[usertests]

Qualcomm shoulda put out a series of 3 to 5 ATX/mATX/ITX/etc boards for us.

Not necessary, but they did make a devkit that was somewhat cheaper than the laptops... only to cancel it.

Did you guys seriously just compare a chip line that just came out this year to one that's been on the market for 40+ years? Windows on Arm is not gonna takeover overnight. Give it a few years.

So if I go look at the Snapdragon X Elite marketing materials from a few months ago, am I going to find a slide saying "At Qualcomm, We're Not Ready. Check Back in a Few Years."?

They positioned their laptop chips against x86 chips that were just as good and could come with a discrete GPU at the same price.

There is no guarantee that Windows on Arm will "take over" ever. Any supposed disadvantage of x86 can be remedied. Not that I want to use Windows anymore. Did Qualc bother to get Linux working on these chips yet?

 

[bit_user]

Did you guys seriously just compare a chip line that just came out this year to one that's been on the market for 40+ years? Windows on Arm is not gonna takeover overnight. Give it a few years.

Windows on Arm has been around for a lot longer. Way back in 2019, Microsoft introduced the Surface Pro X, which used a SoC called the SQ1. That was made under contract by Qualcomm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_Pro_X
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Even Qualcomm had products in this market before this.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14024/lenovo-to-launch-a-qualcomm-snapdragon-8cx-laptop-with-5g
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The Snapdragon 8cx line would continue for 3 generations, before Qualcomm changed branding for the Oryon-based SoCs to Snapdragon X.

 

[bit_user]

Not necessary, but they did make a devkit that was somewhat cheaper than the laptops... only to cancel it.

Yeah, but it had some hardware issues (related to the Displayport PHY?) and by now devs can just buy a Snapdragon X laptop.

Before that, Microsoft have a few generations of similar Windows-on-Arm dev kits for somewhere around $600ish.

However, I think @ezst036 's point was to make products that are friendly to the DIY/homebuilt/maker community, which even these lower-cost boxes aren't really. As far as I'm aware, this isn't a community Qualcomm has ever seriously tried to engage. Maybe the closest they got was some dev kits for robotics?

Any supposed disadvantage of x86 can be remedied.

I respectfully disagree.

 

[thestryker]

Nvidia doesn't have a good history in the smartphone & tablet market. The first Google Pixel 2-in-1 (tablet/notebook) was based on a Nvidia SoC and just about the only such device to use it (other than Nvidia Shield). Before that, Nvidia tried to break into the phone SoC market, but failed pretty miserably.

I got one of the Motorola Tegra 2 based tablets for my mom and I had one of the Asus Tegra 4 based ones. For it's time the 2 was definitely better than the 4 during its. I think their big problems then was not investing enough on the design side so they were split between their custom cores and off the shelf. This seemed to lead to substandard SoCs in performance, efficiency, or both. I don't think that market was ever going to be a money maker for them, but they did seem to fumble the market they could have carved out.

 

[Kondamin]

That is not a bad percentage for a new product line at that price point.
Anything more would be delusional.

Someone like beelink or minisforum should release a mini pc based on a mediatek or Samsung soc if we want to see more adoption