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What's funny is that everyone is so disturbed by the GUI for Windows 8 while simultaneously overlooking all of the enhancements it has as an Operating System. Get with the program everyone, Windows 8 is a consumer OS.

It's simply not for us enthusiasts. This was established a long time ago and now it just feels like Tom's users are beating a dead horse.
 
[citation][nom]s3anister[/nom]What's funny is that everyone is so disturbed by the GUI for Windows 8 while simultaneously overlooking all of the enhancements it has as an Operating System. Get with the program everyone, Windows 8 is a consumer OS.It's simply not for us enthusiasts.[/citation] Then why the frack do we need it for?! If someone needs a basic functioning computer, a tablet running iOS or Android is all they need. And SO fracking what if we overlook the enhancements. There is nothing there that makes me piss my pants with excitement. Win8 desktop is ugly, metro -oops I mean "Windows 8 Style User Interface" is shit. So yea, we have a right to bitch about it. Some people like myself make our living off of computers/Windows. I can't sell shit to my clients. I can't sell something I wouldn't use myself. So with your comment about "enthusiasts", you are saying its time we all just move on to Linux?! You are correct. Remember, enthusiasts like NASA uses MacPro computers to land on bloody Mars... think those types would waste their time with Metro-rape?
 
[citation][nom]s3anister[/nom]It's simply not for us enthusiasts. This was established a long time ago and now it just feels like Tom's users are beating a dead horse.[/citation]

Windows DHE* is a great name s3anister you'd better copyright that.

* Dead Horse Edition
 
It's not like we actually need GFWL. What exactly does it do? Oh I forgot, it keeps me from saving certain games if I don't have it installed and running.
 
"Xbox Live, Games for Windows Live, Xbox Windows" - What the hell is this crap? I read the article... I have no idea which is which... don't care anymore. None of them allows you to run actual Xbox games on the WindowsOS, so why bother with the name? Oh yeah, Branding value. I'm sure corporations give a rats-ass about these gaming features. None of this makes any sense as to what they do.

Its like when one of my clients was looking at wanting a MS-server for the office. A VP asked about using Apple. Some of us kind of laughed (on the inside) and I said I would look into it, what would be economical and easy to use... I spent time at the MS website, it was pages of pages of the various flavors of Server / exchange... tons of text with marketing words that didn't say jack-shit about what anything actually does. Was it going to cost $700~3000 for such a setup that would work?

Went over to Apple's website. The MacMini-Server is $1000. That is for both the hardware and software for the base unit. Right there, on the front page - it tells and shows you WHAT the product does, what it offers. If you need more info, click on a link for that topic. It's sold... they used English and were to the point of that they are selling. Not a bunch of crap that requires a decoder ring.

PS: I'm not thrilled by apple's lawsuits and I'm an Android user. All of the PCs at that office are Win7/XP, everyone there uses an iPhone. (used to be mostly BB - but those always sucked)
 
PS: Microsoft - You suck. The amount of stupidity in how your business operates nowadays shows incompetence from the top down. (Considering how well you guys did with Win7/Office2010)

Really Microsoft, its about time you joined RIM. It could happen. And I hope you continue to shove "Windows 8 style User Interface"-aka Metro up our butts for the next 5 years until we are all gone.

PS2: I will always refer to it as metro as I would when talking to a Mac person or apple worker about the "iPad 3".

PS3: Microsoft, die.
 
[citation][nom]applegetsmelaid[/nom]All Microsoft has to do is include support for Xbox 360 games and I would forgive them for the atrocious UI.[/citation]

Which was NEVER going to happen. No PC has anywhere near enough power to emulate the 360. Totally different hardware architectures.
 
I wonder how many of the negative commentators have actually USED Windows 8 at all let alone for more than a few hours? I'm using it now on this desktop and it's DAMN fast. Here's a few stats for you:

Clean install of Enterprise Win7/8

257 Windows 8 services in total
147 Windows 7 services in total

59 running Win8 services
57 running win7 services

Sat idle for ten minutes
468Mb in use, Windows 8
540Mb in use, Windows 7

I was going to outline the 'new' services but there's far too many :/

Services disabled within Win8 and Win7:
-Diagnostic Service host
-Distributed Link tracking
-Function discovery resource publication
-IP Helper
-Print Spooler
-Shell hardware protection
-SSDP Discovery
-Superfetch
-Windows Font cache service
-Windows media player networking service
-Windows search (Will have to see if this disrupts the metro search)
-WinHTTP Web Proxy Auto-Discovery Service
-Diagnostic System Host (Win 7 only)
-Offline files (Win 7 only)

Running processes/details
32 windows 8
33 Windows 7

There are individual services that could be disabled but I'm going for Windows 7 compared to Windows 8 (...yes I know that you may or may not want to keep some of the services enabled but I don't print etc). Virtual memory disabled, visual effects set to best performance and hibernation turned off.

Sat idle for ten minutes
414Mb in use, Windows 8
413Mb in use, Windows 7

Running processes/details
26 windows 8
24 Windows 7

CPU use is flatline under Windows 7 while Windows 8 seems to like sitting at 1%

19 seconds to desktop
20 seconds to desktop

Base system is a 16Gb 2760p with 256Gb SSD tweaked to an inch of its life running VMWare. As it stands Windows 8 is a better operating system than 7 with a really easy to use interface that's fast and NOT a dramatic leap away from the standard Start menu.

P.s. What exactly did you use the start menu for anyway? What's so important about it? Think about it.
 
Seriously, about the server software (for small and medium size business). Go to both sites, see how fast it is to to info, locate the features and functions you may need (mail / contacts / calendar / file sharing / costs / user account limits / editions) and see which one can tell you what it can do and the price.

Microsoft loves confusion for some stupid reason. I'm still no fan of Apple, they need to get their news and heads out of the courtroom and into the labs. I don't like Microsoft and Apple for different reasons.
 
[citation][nom]damianrobertjones[/nom]I wonder how many of the negative commentators have actually USED Windows 8 at all let alone for more than a few hours? ....[/citation]
And all that is killed while they try to force metro on desktops.
 
[citation][nom]damianrobertjones[/nom]What exactly did you use the start menu for anyway? What's so important about it? Think about it.[/citation] If its not important, then why change it to a crumble-some fullscreen interface? As stated, its ugly, hidden buttons that server no purpose or save any space, MS sure is out to disable every little thing people seem to want to keep. Even its touch-interface is moronic, you have to swipe to flip from desktop to metro-rape mode... while a button would have been simple. There are buttons on phones, tablets for visual clues of operation. Metro-rape UI hides everything. stupid charms pop out when you don't need it - and don't when you do. Two different task managers for two different interfaces... Its an idiot UI design for a few people who seem to love all things MS.

The performance numbers you posts are nothing. In a world in which 4GB of RAM is $25, the difference between Win8 and Win7 is minimal - but an improvement is always a good step. Now, if they ripped out Metro-rape, they could save another 100MB of RAM I bet! Maybe even get another 2-3% overall improvement in performance.

I'm still running Core2 Quad with an SSD on Windows7. Its damn stable, does everything I want. I've built i5-2600 & i5-3570 systems for clients that easily smokes my machine. I have 66 processes running with Photoshop, 2 different browsers, a TVTunner card running and barely a hiccup noticeable. (Yeah, I still want a new i5 CPU). So for new modern systems, it means little. For a tablet and phone... this is far more important for battery life and slower CPUs and GPUs. In reality, most people do not need a desktop-level core running on their phones and tablets.

Hence, Apple and others sell $200~600 tablets in the millions while there is a tiny corp. market for the $1200~1600 slate tablets. The MS tablet is going to cost the same, will have the same lame 4hr battery life and slow boot up compared to an iPad1.

Again, your numbers means little. Why didnt you put up gaming performance numbers? Are you using the same computer? I bet if a modern game is getting 100fps in Win7, it may get 102fps with Win8. That is nothing to get excited about.
 
[citation][nom]gamerk316[/nom]Which was NEVER going to happen. No PC has anywhere near enough power to emulate the 360. Totally different hardware architectures.[/citation]

You obviously know nothing about hardware, the xbox IS a computer, you think a computer can't emulate another computer? A computer with less processing power than the average netbook, welcome to xbox.
 
@ Damian:
What I have seen in my use of win8 is that it uses more resources for the big desktop (to better utilize the resources... I mean, why have 16GB of ram if it is not going to be used?), while being able to be very small on machines with limited resources (like my netbook with 1GB of ram). It is very intelligent about what hardware it is on, and how to provide the best experience for the user within the constraints of the hardware available, which is awesome.

I can't wait to find a build of the RTM to play with and see how the last-minute features of the improved backup and cosmo interface play out on my hardware
 
People who parrot the marketing buzzwords about how win 8 is faster blah blah blah, make me laugh. It's not any faster, the fact is that a FRESH INSTAL is required to test the OS, try a fresh install of Win 7 and holy shit it's faster than before! It's like magic! So far I've found nothing in the OS I like. Not having a start button annoyed the shit out of me, "all you M$ haters are exaggerating just use the windows key on your keyboard hurr durr." yeah except most times my left hand is occupied with a big gulp full of coffee, or a newspaper(old school!) or my dick! or god knows what else I might be doing. Sure I could use the keyboard commands but I'd rather not put down my sammich. My friend only has one hand(he's a Vet) what the fuck is he supposed to do? Plus, the last thing I want on my computer is fucking X-Box bullshit. The only thing keeping me from running Linux on all my computers is gaming so M$ better stop mucking this shit up, because I don't think I'm alone.
 
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