xp2100+ vs. 1.0ghz athlon tbird

[REDmosquito]

I noticed there is a bios update for my asus a7v133 that allows for up to xp2100+ cpu. Those are pretty cheap chips around 65 dollars american, is it worth the money and hassle to update the bios and put one of these in? I am currently running a 1ghz athlon 512 meg ram geforce3ti500.

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[lhgpoobaa]

Well if you can find a super cheap XP2100+ then its a pretty good deal.
Some 733 extra Mhz (73% extra raw CPU horsepower) without having the expense of getting a new motherboard AND ram. A good low budget upgrade.

I assume it's PC133 ram yes?

The thing to remember though is you are still running an SDRAM system, so the performance will still be significantly below that of a XP2100+ in a DDR system, especially with memory intensive applications.

You should also ensure that your CPU cooler is up to the job as well. The XP2100+ puts out much more heat than a 1000 Tbird.

One final note: Does the A7V133 specifically support XP2100+'s of The Tbred variety? (with lower core voltages).
If not you may have to hunt around for a XP2100+ that isnt a Tbred, rather a Palomino.


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[REDmosquito]

according to asus it supports this type, Athlon XP 2100+(Model 6)(Palomino) but how the hell do you know what your buying, i want to get it at this site, its a retail boxed version which comes with amd heatsink an fan for only 71$ heres a link, i cant tell if its a palomino or not<A HREF="http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80163-R" target="_new">http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80163-R</A>

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[ChipDeath]

That's a Thoroughbred processor. NOT a Palomino. Further down in the specs it says it's based on a 0.13 micron process. Pally XP chips are 0.18Micron.

All is not necessarily lost though - if your mobo supports voltages lower than 1.7V you can probably get away with it - that's the only real difference between them from the point of view of the Mobo.

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[REDmosquito]

newegg has some xp1900+ palominos maybe ill just go with one of those, for 56 bucks why not. I am not really comfortanble messing with vcores I dont know enough about it and would probably just fry my chip.

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[Grub]

Dude...You can get a TBred MOBO for 32.00 and a XP1700 for 45.00. THat's 77.00 total and you can OC the heck out of a 1700 XP.


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[phsstpok]

Plenty of people are using XP2100+ on A7V133. Works best in Jumper mode. In Jumper Free mode, you would have trouble running a 133 Mhz FSB (assuming you have PC133 memory).

XP2100+ is a Tbred B and is good for overclocking to 2.1 to 2.2 Ghz (~XP2800+) or higher, even on your old mobo.

Check the ASUS news group, alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus, to read about other A7V133 owners using Tbreds and overclocking Tbreds.

The flexibility that has been built into the Tbreds (and Bartons) is impressive.

I had an XP2400+ (actually XP1700+ with the multiplier mod'd but a stock XP2400+ works too) running in an old Abit KT7. That's a KT133 (no "A") mobo. The processor defaults to 20 x 100. That's stock speed (2000 Mhz) for an XP2400+ but notice the low FSB speed of 100 Mhz.

Tbreds have a multiplier remapping mode which makes this possible on motherboards who's multipliers normally only go up to 12.5x. Multipliers of 15x, 16x, 16.5x, 17x, 18x, 19x, 20x, 22x, 23x, and 24x are available even on 3 year old motherboards.

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p.s. Just set the A7V133 to Jumper mode and set the multiplier to whatever you want (see multiplier remapping table below) then set your bus speed, either 100 Mhz or 133 Mhz. At 133 Mhz might have to run slightly overclocked (15 x 133 = 2000) but it's not a problem for a Tbred B. Some mobos have trouble with the 13x, 13.5x and 14x remaps so just wanted to warn you.

You could just use an XP2400+ and then nothing need be overclocked.

Multiplier Remap Table
<pre>5 ----> 13x (doesn't work on some mobos)
5.5 ----> 13.5x (same)
6 ----> 14x (same)
6.5 ----> 21x (same)
7 ----> 15x
7.5 ----> 22.5x
8 ----> 16x
8.5 ----> 16.5x
9 ----> 17x
9.5 ----> 18x
10 ----> 23x
10.5 ----> 24x
11 ----> (reserved)
11.5 ----> 19x
12 ----> (reserved)
12.5 ----> 20x</pre><p><b>56K, slow and steady does not win the race on internet!</b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by phsstpok on 08/20/03 02:06 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[tombance]

If possible you really want to go for a Tbred as they run much cooler than Palomino equivalents even if overvolted.

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