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YAFM:
A cave spider was hidden under an elven dagger named Sting!

Umm, that's a brave spider... [If I'd had the means it would have
become a tame cave spider called Shelob]

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"Martin Crisp" <Spoiled.Spam@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
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> YAFM:
> A cave spider was hidden under an elven dagger named Sting!
>
> Umm, that's a brave spider... [If I'd had the means it would have
> become a tame cave spider called Shelob]
>
> Have Fun
> Martin

a mere cave spider isn't worthy to be named after Shelob.


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David Justiss wrote:

>>YAFM:
>>A cave spider was hidden under an elven dagger named Sting!
>>
>>Umm, that's a brave spider... [If I'd had the means it would have
>>become a tame cave spider called Shelob]
>>
>>Have Fun
>>Martin
>
> a mere cave spider isn't worthy to be named after Shelob.

Actually, I'd say "cave spider" is a perfect description of her.
 
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Sean <sgegg@hotspammeallyouwantpop.com> wrote:
>David Justiss wrote:
>> a mere cave spider isn't worthy to be named after Shelob.
>
>Actually, I'd say "cave spider" is a perfect description of her.

Only in the way that "explosion" is a perfect description of what
happened to the Nypro cyclohexane oxidation plant at Flixborough in
1974.

http://www.acusafe.com/Incidents/Flixborough1974/Flixborough1974-2.jpg
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Martin Read wrote:
> Sean wrote:
> >David Justiss wrote:
>
> >> a mere cave spider isn't worthy to be named after Shelob.
>
> >Actually, I'd say "cave spider" is a perfect description of her.
>
> Only in the way that "explosion" is a perfect description of what
> happened to the Nypro cyclohexane oxidation plant at Flixborough in
> 1974.
> http://www.acusafe.com/Incidents/Flixborough1974/Flixborough1974-2.jpg

If cave spiders drank potions, it might take 10-15 gain
level potions to get to Shelob.

There was an explosion about that size at the Thiokol
plant outside Las Vegas a few years ago. They make the
booster rockets for the space shuttle and several other
types of rockets at that plant. Great big explosion.
 
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Martin Read <mpread@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Sean <sgegg@hotspammeallyouwantpop.com> wrote:
>>David Justiss wrote:
>>> a mere cave spider isn't worthy to be named after Shelob.
>>
>>Actually, I'd say "cave spider" is a perfect description of her.
>
> Only in the way that "explosion" is a perfect description of what
> happened to the Nypro cyclohexane oxidation plant at Flixborough in
> 1974.
>
> http://www.acusafe.com/Incidents/Flixborough1974/Flixborough1974-2.jpg

Um. Ow.


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Martin Read wrote:

>>>a mere cave spider isn't worthy to be named after Shelob.
>>
>>Actually, I'd say "cave spider" is a perfect description of her.
>
> Only in the way that "explosion" is a perfect description of what
> happened to the Nypro cyclohexane oxidation plant at Flixborough in
> 1974.
>
> http://www.acusafe.com/Incidents/Flixborough1974/Flixborough1974-2.jpg

No, that's definitely an explosion. Anything weaker than that I'd
describe as a "bit of a bang". But then, I watch too much TV.
 
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On Jul 21, 2005, David Justiss sent message
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which allegedly said:

> "Martin Crisp" <Spoiled.Spam@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.BF009C4B069A52BBF02845B0@news.ozemail.com.au
>
>> YAFM:
>> A cave spider was hidden under an elven dagger named Sting!
>>
>> Umm, that's a brave spider... [If I'd had the means it would have
>> become a tame cave spider called Shelob]
>>
>> Have Fun
>> Martin
>
> a mere cave spider isn't worthy to be named after Shelob.

And my pet cat (not in nethack) wasn't 'worthy' of "Satan" either.
That's (kinda) the point ;-)

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"Martin Read" <mpread@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Sean <sgegg@hotspammeallyouwantpop.com> wrote:
> >David Justiss wrote:
> >> a mere cave spider isn't worthy to be named after Shelob.
> >
> >Actually, I'd say "cave spider" is a perfect description of her.
>
> Only in the way that "explosion" is a perfect description of what
> happened to the Nypro cyclohexane oxidation plant at Flixborough in
> 1974.
>
> http://www.acusafe.com/Incidents/Flixborough1974/Flixborough1974-2.jpg

<obligatory>
I've seen bigger.
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On that special day, BWIGLEY, (bwigley@xtra.co.nz) said...

> > http://www.acusafe.com/Incidents/Flixborough1974/Flixborough1974-2.jpg
>
> <obligatory>
> I've seen bigger.
> </obligatory>

You want some?

http://www.izynews.com/de_l/Explosion_des_Oppauer_Stickstoffwerkes

That was in 1921 near Mannheim / Rhine, south west Germany. Notrmally,
this plant would produce fertilizer by the Haber-Bosch synthesis
method, which involves the mixing of Ammonium Nitrate and Ammonium
Sulfate.

The ammonium nitrate is a dangerous ingredient and explosive. It is
also hygroscopic and tends to coagulate into lumps, which need to be
disintegrated for proper processing. The article says, the workers used
pick-axes for that purpose (now we are getting on-topic >:), but they
wouldn't reach far into the silo, and they couldn't climb inside,
because then they would have been covered by an avalanche of that
substance.

So they used dynamite to loosen it. And the ammonium nitrate gracefully
received this initial ignition to cause a chain reaction throughout the
warehouse. 4500 tonnes of chemicals blasted off. Someone calculated
that the power was good for a small nuclear bomb of one to two
kilotonnes of TNT.

Result: 565 deaths, about 2000 injured, 900 out of 1000 houses of the
village Oppau destroyed. The crater was 125 meters long, 90 meters
wide, and 19 meters deep. You can replace the word 'meter' with yard,
to get an idea about its size.


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Gabriele Neukam wrote:

> You want some?

In the Netherlands, a fireworks factory in the middle of a small city,
Enschede, exploded 13 may 2000, 15.34h.

The whole factory and the neighbourhood around it were flattened.
Miraculously, there were hardly any victims.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/krant/tc/ramp/index2.html gives you more
information; click on "Beeld" on the left to get to the "Images" page.

The first image on that page shows the explosion itself, taken by
someone by coincidence. Other links on that page show the crater and
other pictures. By the way, "luchtfoto" means aerial picture.

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Gabriele Neukam wrote:
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> You want some?
>

Halifax. December 6, 1917. The ship Mont Blanc, which carried a
top-secret cargo of explosive chemacals[1], collided with the belgian
relief ship Imo as it was entering the harbor. The highly flammable
Benzol fuel caught fire immediately, and 20 minutes later, it exploded
with a force greater than any man-made explosion before it.
Unfortunately, many people went right up to the dock to watch the
burning ship. According to the web site,
"More than 1500 people were killed outright; hundreds more would die in
the hours and days to come. Nine thousand people, many of whom might
have been safe if they hadn't come to watch the fire, were injured by
the blast, falling buildings and flying shards of glass."
"Buildings within a radius of half a mile of the explosion were totally
destroyed and that up to one mile they were very largely rendered
uninhabitable and dangerous. No section of Halifax city escaped serious
damage... More or less severe damage was caused as far away as Sackville
and Windsor Junction, 9 or 10 miles (away from) the explosion… At Truro,
62 miles, and New Glasgow, 78 miles, the shock was sufficient to jar
buildings very appreciably, and even to shake articles from shelves.
Even as far away as Charlottetown, 135 miles, and North Cape Breton, 225
miles, the explosion was distinctly felt or heard."
And to top it all off, on the same night as the explosion, there was a
blizzard that lasted all through the night and into the next day.


The web site, if you want more information:
http://www.cbc.ca/halifaxexplosion/


[1]also according to the web site, the exact amounts of explosives:

Explosives Quantity

TNT 226,797 kg

Wet picric acid 1,602,519 kg

Dry picric acid 544,311 kg

Guncotton 56,301 kg

Benzol 223,188 kg
______________________________
Total 2,653,115 kg
 
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"Gabriele Neukam" <Gabriele.Spamfighter.Neukam@t-online.de> wrote in message
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> http://www.izynews.com/de_l/Explosion_des_Oppauer_Stickstoffwerkes
>
> That was in 1921 near Mannheim / Rhine, south west Germany. Notrmally,
> this plant would produce fertilizer by the Haber-Bosch synthesis
> method, which involves the mixing of Ammonium Nitrate and Ammonium
> Sulfate.
>
> The ammonium nitrate is a dangerous ingredient and explosive. It is
> also hygroscopic and tends to coagulate into lumps, which need to be
> disintegrated for proper processing. The article says, the workers used
> pick-axes for that purpose (now we are getting on-topic >:), but they
> wouldn't reach far into the silo, and they couldn't climb inside,
> because then they would have been covered by an avalanche of that
> substance.
>
> So they used dynamite to loosen it.
Idiots! That is one of the thickest things I have ever heard "Hmm, we have
an oxidizer which needs to be loosened, I wonder if dynamite will work?"
 
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After going to <http://tinyurl.com/2tnqw>
"BWIGLEY" <bwigley@xtra.co.nz> wrote

>"Martin Read" <mpread@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
>news:Y9r*1E7Tq@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
>> Sean <sgegg@hotspammeallyouwantpop.com> wrote:
>> >David Justiss wrote:
>> >> a mere cave spider isn't worthy to be named after Shelob.
>> >
>> >Actually, I'd say "cave spider" is a perfect description of her.
>>
>> Only in the way that "explosion" is a perfect description of what
>> happened to the Nypro cyclohexane oxidation plant at Flixborough in
>> 1974.
>>
>> http://www.acusafe.com/Incidents/Flixborough1974/Flixborough1974-2.jpg
>
><obligatory>
>I've seen bigger.
></obligatory>

What about Chernobyl? (dot com)
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jerk-o wrote:
> What about Chernobyl? (dot com)

Contrary to popular belief, a reactor meltdown does not cause a massive
atmoic bomb-style explosion.
 
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On that special day, BManx2000, (bmanx2000@yahoo.com) said...

> > What about Chernobyl? (dot com)
>
> Contrary to popular belief, a reactor meltdown does not cause a massive
> atmoic bomb-style explosion.

It wasn't that, but a "conventional" explosion. Yet it has been bad
enough. In one TV feature I heard a comment that the explosion rose
into the sky for several miles; Wikipedia says, about three. It was
like a 'dirty bomb', and even today, the nearby town Pripyat is still
uninhabited, because of the strong radiation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_accident


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BManx2000 <bmanx2000@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> Gabriele Neukam wrote:
>>
>> You want some?
>>
>
> Halifax. December 6, 1917. The ship Mont Blanc, which carried a
> top-secret cargo of explosive chemacals[1], collided with the
> belgian relief ship Imo as it was entering the harbor. The highly
> flammable Benzol fuel caught fire immediately, and 20 minutes later,
> it exploded with a force greater than any man-made explosion before
> it. Unfortunately, many people went right up to the dock to watch
> the burning ship. According to the web site,

There was a vaguely similar incident in the US in the late 40's.

Edited from http://www.texas-city-tx.org/HistoryTCDisaster.pdf
The morning of April 16, 1947 can still be remembered by many of the
citizens of Texas City. A ship in the Texas City harbor, the Grand
Camp, bearing a cargo of ammonium nitrate fertilizer destined for war
torn Europe, caught fire. The fire department was on the scene helping
to put out the fire, and a crowd of people (many children) had
gathered to watch the firefighters. The bright orange color that came
out of the black smoke seemed to catch everyone's attention. The crowd
must not have known that ammonium nitrate is highly explosive or they
didn't know what was in the cargo hold of the ship. The standard plan
for towing a dangerously burning ship from the harbor was not
implemented until it was too late, and the tugboat didn't arrive in
time to prevent what happened next. A little after 9:00 a.m. the Texas
City Disaster happened as the Grand Camp exploded. A great column of
smoke shot up an estimated two thousand feet, followed in about ten
seconds by another, and even more violent shockwave. Within moments of
the second blast, the Monsanto Chemical Plant was in flames that
resulted from broken lines and shattered containers. As entire
buildings collapsed, trapping people inside, fires quickly spread to
the refineries that made up the Texas City industrial complex.

Another catastrophic event happened when a miniature tidal wave
resulted when the water from the bay, which had been driven out by the
explosion, rushed in over the docks and continued as far inland as one
hundred and fifty feet, sweeping everything in its path with it. All
day long the work of caring for the injured and fighting the fires was
underway. By nightfall, the town was filled with rescue workers, and
ambulances had been making repeated trips to area hospitals.

Darkness did not stop the efforts to find those who were still trapped
in the wreckage. Throughout the night, fear mounted because another
firefighter, the High Flyer, which was also loaded with ammonium
nitrate as well as sulfur, had also been burning all day. Tugs had
tried in vain to tow her out of the ruined harbor. At 1:00 a.m. on
April 17, everyone was ordered away from the area. At 1:10 a.m. the
High Flyer exploded in the most violent of all the blasts, taking with
her another ship, the Wilson B. Keene. It also destroyed a concrete
warehouse and a grain elevator and triggered even more fires. Almost
the entire fire department had been lost in the first explosion, along
with plant workers, dockworkers, school children, and other
bystanders. Windows rattled in Baytown and a fine mist of black oil
rained in Galveston.
 
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On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:58:48 +0000, Seraphim wrote:

> BManx2000 <bmanx2000@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>> Gabriele Neukam wrote:
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>>> You want some?
>>>
>>>
[ snip many horrific incidents ]

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