yo mad mod mike i need ur help

[bigbadwolf]

was wonderin what the last X2 model is goin to be for 939 and FX model , i kno that they hav gone up to X2 4800 and FX-60 so far, but what comes next.
i have a socket 939 was wonderin what to wait for , cheers

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/17/semiconductor_2005/

(this graph on that link is awful, look how much money INTEL (!!) have made selling inferior processors, altho im pretty equal dont really care bout either AMD or INTEL, just thort id show you)

 

[Bluefinger]

The FX-60 was the last AMD chip to be released for the socket 939-gen chips, and will be the last, so you are pretty much stuck with the X2 4800+, the FX-60, and the Opterons!

 

[bigbadwolf]

wot r these 939 opterons all about , arnt they just relabelled A64's, arent they meant to be dual processor but that cant be if its on a mobo that only has 1 socket, all this 939 and 940 is confusin my aching brain

 

[Bluefinger]

Opterons are server quality AMD chips.... they are far better than ordinary A64's, which are designed for desktop use. Opterons OC better, and generally perform better, and in some cases, cheaper than the desktop options considering what you get, and you can get socket 939 Opterons, they just aren't dual-processor capable, but that doesn't stop them from having two cores in some of the higher-end models, like the Opteron 165.

 

[bigbadwolf]

ah cheers, that makes sense, i once heard sum1 sayin they shud OC a opteron an they wud be ace compared to a A64, i see now

 

[mpjesse]

The only advantage an Opteron has over a regular Athlon 64 is overclockability. Performance is the same unless cache sizes differ. (of course, I'm not accounting for 2-way, 4-way, or 8-way capabilities)

-mpjesse

 

[bigbadwolf]

. Performance is the same unless cache sizes differ. (of course, I'm not accounting for 2-way, 4-way, or 8-way capabilities)

-mpjesse

how much is max cache for an opteron , still 1MB like san diego? or more? and wat is 2-way,4-way or-8-way , im guessin u mean no. of CPU's but :? im a bit confused to be honest

 

[Viperabyss]

humm... i have a quick question..
so if i want to build a new rig, which socket should i go with? 939 or 940?

 

[Bluefinger]

At the mo, 939, in 6 months time, AM2 (basically 940) or whatever the socket is for Conroe, doesn't matter really.....

 

[Grimmy]

. Performance is the same unless cache sizes differ. (of course, I'm not accounting for 2-way, 4-way, or 8-way capabilities)

-mpjesse

how much is max cache for an opteron , still 1MB like san diego? or more? and wat is 2-way,4-way or-8-way , im guessin u mean no. of CPU's but :? im a bit confused to be honest

For the 939, I believe max cache the 1xx can have is 2MB (1MB x 2 for dual cores). But since your using them for gaming.. that isn't going to matter, if memory serves.

The 2-way, 4-way, and 8-way, If I understand correctly, is if you use a Server MB that sockets 2 opty's. Depending on how many cores it has to corresponding cache, makes it 2-way, 4-way, or 8-way.

So.. Opty with 2 cores with 2MB cache x 2.. is 4way.

Opty with 1 core but socketed with another single, is 2 way.

I think.. 😳

Not sure about the quad or 8 way. Unless I'm taking it the wrong way.. :lol:

 

[hergieburbur]

. Performance is the same unless cache sizes differ. (of course, I'm not accounting for 2-way, 4-way, or 8-way capabilities)

-mpjesse

how much is max cache for an opteron , still 1MB like san diego? or more? and wat is 2-way,4-way or-8-way , im guessin u mean no. of CPU's but :? im a bit confused to be honest

For the 939, I believe max cache the 1xx can have is 2MB (1MB x 2 for dual cores). But since your using them for gaming.. that isn't going to matter, if memory serves.

The 2-way, 4-way, and 8-way, If I understand correctly, is if you use a Server MB that sockets 2 opty's. Depending on how many cores it has to corresponding cache, makes it 2-way, 4-way, or 8-way.

So.. Opty with 2 cores with 2MB cache x 2.. is 4way.

Opty with 1 core but socketed with another single, is 2 way.

I think.. 😳

Not sure about the quad or 8 way. Unless I'm taking it the wrong way.. :lol:

You are taking this slightly wrong, though its easy to see why. A dual core CPU is still 1 way. It actually refers to the physical number of chips that are intercommunicating on the board. Here os the breakdown:

Socket 939:
1xx series, single and dual core 1-way chips.
Socket 940:
2xx series, 2 way single and dual core chips that are designed to be used in a dual socket mobo for up to four cores.
8xx series, these can be used in either 4 socket (4-way), or 8 socket (8-way) boards for a total of up to 16 cores.

Opterons currently have a max of 2x1MB of cache (1MB for each core, not to be confused with 2MB shared cache total). The only other difference between them and normal A64s is that they are "top shelf". usually made of higher quality silicon, and therefore overclock better. You can get a cheaper Opteron that will outperform a stock $1025 FX-60 in some cases.

 

[Grimmy]

Ahhh.. I see.. the series (socket) has more to do with it.

I thought it was more in using more then 1 socket.

Tanks for the info.

 

[hergieburbur]

Sure. You can oftens times get better performance out of a pair of 2xx series than a 1xx series dual core as well, at least if you can find a cheap place for the memory and mobo.

 

[bigbadwolf]

do opterons have SIMD instructions like SSE and MMX, coz i wud hav thort that they are not much use in a server.

ps - i was wonderin when i have finally got my pc built , how much wud i be able to OC my A64 3200 Venice core(E6 stepping).and what is max temp for cpu

 

[Grimmy]

Yes.. Opty's support:

Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, 3DNOW! Professional

AMD Opteron

Above link, basically covers most of whats being asked, I think.