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Lvl2 Gnome Elementalist, CoC Graveyard, 86th day
Yet another grave digger fell today to the 'hand of justice' named
Emperor Lich after long fight and desperate attempt to get digged out
treasures. :))
He had every stat >= 26, blessed seven league boots, decent Bows skill,
5 arrows of slay undead, 10 penetrating arrows, decent Crossbows skill,
8 quarrels of slay undead, he was no doomed or cursed, he had both
enhanced 'luck' and 'fate smiles', invisibility, and yet he died
valiantly 15!!!! cells from Emperor Lich. :)) That damn son-#$%^@
managed to do 120-130dam in one casting.

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I had two amulets: 'free action' and 'prot from death rays'; prot from
stun and confusion. I found that it is fine to dig 1-3 graves, then
sacrifice ~20-30k to get back to N=; I had diggable book shop nearby
with Tome of Alcoholic which provided me any money I need :). Every
time when I dig a grave(wearing ankh for further luck) I get my first
turn to teleport myself out of grave and start rain of arraows on
unfortunate grave guardian. I had 'Far sight' spell, which was enough
to kill any lich (well except EL) from the outside of his LOS. So I
decided to quest for artifacts by the means of grave digging.

Everything went fine at the beginning, I've got Wyrmlance, some cool
stuff... lost some arrows, made my trip to Dwarftown, restored
alignment. On the next trip I've got EL from the grave, teleported
myself out.

Troubles began... First -- he had the same size of LOS as mine with
'Far Sight'. His minions were not trouble because of my invisibility.
After couple of rounds I understood that he is much better in ranged
attacks than me -- he managed to beat out of me ~90HP with one casting,
while I used all my arrows in Berserk mode with only one hit, it was
penetration arrow, EL just got slightly wounded! (Bows -- level 6,
Crossbows -- level 4) I did a trip upstairs to heal wounds.

Next time I tried to teleport him out in hope that he will not paralyse
me with my 80DV. He didn't -- but he resisted my attempts to teleport
him, giving me 1-2 drains and 60-90 dam. :) Next I tried to use
darkness... Well, got another 3 drains, some damage, and all my melee
attacks missed. Tried to do some ranged magic, Stun, bolts (forgot
about Web unfortunately) -- everything was 'shrugged off'. So I did a
trip upstairs to heal wounds.

At this time I was quite sure that I can not do anything to him, so I
was just trying to beat out stuff I digged from EL minions -- it was
quick and painless job. All this time I was bombarded by EL. I did a
step to my last heap of stuff having 110+HP; my body arrived to this
point with -11HP 🙁((. It was just ONE EL's spell. He was 15 cells away
from me.

1. How far EL's Death ray could reach? 3 cells?
2. What spell EL are using for ranged attack? I want this spell too! :)
3. Could EL be killed with death ray spell?
4. Is there any way to get 'see in the dark' intrinsic?
5. Has EL any weaknesses? Acid ball or something?
6. Will amulet of protection from undead help against EL's overpowered
glowing balls? 🙂)) he-he-he... nice phrase)
7. Is there any chance to blind EL with potion of blindness?
8. Does EL resist poison?
9. Can it be scared, calmed?
10. What WL's parameters are? HP, spells, attacks, DV/PV?
11. Which tactic/approach you will advise to deal with EL for
elementalist with 300HP/250SP and almost any spell at hand?

On second thought I had rather a lot opportunities:
- I could have used my blessed familiar summoingn scroll on DH2 to get
decent companion
- I could be more cautious and have used praying to heal, or simply
ignore bastard and go deeper
- Web spell could buy some time, while monster trying to get out of it
- I should have stopped drinking from pools in DarkForge when I've got
almost everything except protection from confusion! At the end I
receved 'doomed' twice, 'cursed' -- three times and all my intrinsincs
removed. The only positive outcome was wish I spent on AOLS for Kelly.
I spent all my money to getting rid of doomed and cursed status every
time. Even more -- after this session I was in need to hunt for blink
dogs again 🙁

and so on :) I was just stubborn...

Bye.
Sincerely yours, Mike.
 
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Crusader Mike wrote:
> Lvl2 Gnome Elementalist, CoC Graveyard, 86th day
> Yet another grave digger fell today to the 'hand of justice' named
> Emperor Lich after long fight and desperate attempt to get digged out
> treasures. :))
> He had every stat >= 26, blessed seven league boots, decent Bows
skill,
> 5 arrows of slay undead, 10 penetrating arrows, decent Crossbows
skill,
> 8 quarrels of slay undead, he was no doomed or cursed, he had both
> enhanced 'luck' and 'fate smiles', invisibility, and yet he died
> valiantly 15!!!! cells from Emperor Lich. :)) That damn son-#$%^@
> managed to do 120-130dam in one casting.
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> I had two amulets: 'free action' and 'prot from death rays'; prot
from
> stun and confusion. I found that it is fine to dig 1-3 graves, then
> sacrifice ~20-30k to get back to N=; I had diggable book shop nearby
> with Tome of Alcoholic which provided me any money I need :). Every
> time when I dig a grave(wearing ankh for further luck) I get my first
> turn to teleport myself out of grave and start rain of arraows on
> unfortunate grave guardian. I had 'Far sight' spell, which was enough
> to kill any lich (well except EL) from the outside of his LOS. So I
> decided to quest for artifacts by the means of grave digging.
>
> Everything went fine at the beginning, I've got Wyrmlance, some cool
> stuff... lost some arrows, made my trip to Dwarftown, restored
> alignment. On the next trip I've got EL from the grave, teleported
> myself out.
>
> Troubles began... First -- he had the same size of LOS as mine with
> 'Far Sight'. His minions were not trouble because of my invisibility.
> After couple of rounds I understood that he is much better in ranged
> attacks than me -- he managed to beat out of me ~90HP with one
casting,
> while I used all my arrows in Berserk mode with only one hit, it was
> penetration arrow, EL just got slightly wounded! (Bows -- level 6,
> Crossbows -- level 4) I did a trip upstairs to heal wounds.
>
> Next time I tried to teleport him out in hope that he will not
paralyse
> me with my 80DV. He didn't -- but he resisted my attempts to teleport
> him, giving me 1-2 drains and 60-90 dam. :) Next I tried to use
> darkness... Well, got another 3 drains, some damage, and all my melee
> attacks missed. Tried to do some ranged magic, Stun, bolts (forgot
> about Web unfortunately) -- everything was 'shrugged off'. So I did a
> trip upstairs to heal wounds.
>
> At this time I was quite sure that I can not do anything to him, so I
> was just trying to beat out stuff I digged from EL minions -- it was
> quick and painless job. All this time I was bombarded by EL. I did a
> step to my last heap of stuff having 110+HP; my body arrived to this
> point with -11HP 🙁((. It was just ONE EL's spell. He was 15 cells
away
> from me.
>
> 1. How far EL's Death ray could reach? 3 cells?
> 2. What spell EL are using for ranged attack? I want this spell too!
:)
> 3. Could EL be killed with death ray spell?
> 4. Is there any way to get 'see in the dark' intrinsic?
> 5. Has EL any weaknesses? Acid ball or something?
> 6. Will amulet of protection from undead help against EL's
overpowered
> glowing balls? 🙂)) he-he-he... nice phrase)
> 7. Is there any chance to blind EL with potion of blindness?
> 8. Does EL resist poison?
> 9. Can it be scared, calmed?
> 10. What WL's parameters are? HP, spells, attacks, DV/PV?
> 11. Which tactic/approach you will advise to deal with EL for
> elementalist with 300HP/250SP and almost any spell at hand?
>
> On second thought I had rather a lot opportunities:
> - I could have used my blessed familiar summoingn scroll on DH2 to
get
> decent companion
> - I could be more cautious and have used praying to heal, or simply
> ignore bastard and go deeper
> - Web spell could buy some time, while monster trying to get out of
it
> - I should have stopped drinking from pools in DarkForge when I've
got
> almost everything except protection from confusion! At the end I
> receved 'doomed' twice, 'cursed' -- three times and all my
intrinsincs
> removed. The only positive outcome was wish I spent on AOLS for
Kelly.
> I spent all my money to getting rid of doomed and cursed status every
> time. Even more -- after this session I was in need to hunt for blink
> dogs again 🙁
>
> and so on :) I was just stubborn...
>
> Bye.
> Sincerely yours, Mike.


I died to one in a greater undead vault once. Let me just put it this
way. Greater undead vaults are considered the most dangerous of vaults,
but everything in them EXCEPT THE EL is easy or moderately hard. The EL
alone makes greater undead vaults the hardest in the game, capable of
killing level 50 PCs who can close the gate easily.

You should have teleported away and ignored him. If you simply must
have to fight one, I suggest getting an extremely high speed,
invisibility, and a very high effectivity acid ball. Just cast it and
hope he doesn't heal. Non ball spells do not work because he usually
shrugs them, and it's almost impossible to use arrows because of the
summons. Melee is, of course, out of the question! At least 48
willpower and a very good acid ball might be your only chance, but it's
still a great risk.
 
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Well... I was pretty confident fighting him. Can not say EL was
extremely dangerous. Except of two problems:
1. I can not do significant damage to EL
2. He can do significant damage to me

Basically it was a matter of knowing how much of damage glowing balls
barrage could do... Now I know that it could be 120-130, so next time
I'll be fighting EL I will teleport myself in, scorch him in coward
mode until I get HP < 150 and teleport away if it happens. Provided
that in close combat EL has more possibilities to do he will use
glowing balls more seldom thus giving me even more time to pulverise
him.

Bye.
Sincerely yours, Michael.
 
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"Higher Game" <sidneyg83@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> I died to one in a greater undead vault once. Let me just put it this
> way. Greater undead vaults are considered the most dangerous of vaults,
> but everything in them EXCEPT THE EL is easy or moderately hard. The EL
> alone makes greater undead vaults the hardest in the game, capable of
> killing level 50 PCs who can close the gate easily.
>
> You should have teleported away and ignored him. If you simply must
> have to fight one, I suggest getting an extremely high speed,
> invisibility, and a very high effectivity acid ball. Just cast it and
> hope he doesn't heal. Non ball spells do not work because he usually
> shrugs them, and it's almost impossible to use arrows because of the
> summons. Melee is, of course, out of the question! At least 48
> willpower and a very good acid ball might be your only chance, but it's
> still a great risk.

This information isn't as applicable to the emperor lich he faced. The
EL in the greater undead vaults are highly experienced, but the one he
faced would probably have very few, if any, additional levels. I
suspect if he had the proper resistances (fire resistance for the
barrage of glowing balls, death ray resistance for the death rays) and
had gotten off a few undead slaying arrows from afar without the EL
doing a fullheal, he could have taken it out.
 
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Crusader Mike wrote:

A lot of talking to yourself there mike...

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> Well... I was pretty confident fighting him. Can not say EL was
> extremely dangerous. Except of two problems:
> 1. I can not do significant damage to EL
> 2. He can do significant damage to me
>
> Basically it was a matter of knowing how much of damage glowing balls
> barrage could do... Now I know that it could be 120-130, so next time
> I'll be fighting EL I will teleport myself in, scorch him in coward
> mode until I get HP < 150 and teleport away if it happens. Provided
> that in close combat EL has more possibilities to do he will use
> glowing balls more seldom thus giving me even more time to pulverise
> him.

Anyway, the "hit by a barrage of glowing balls", as cast by skeleton
kings and lessers lichs at least, is fire based. Fire resistance will
reduce the damage, fire immunity will stop it. Not sure if this is the
same for an emperor lich, but worth a try.
 
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> This information isn't as applicable to the emperor lich he faced.
The
> EL in the greater undead vaults are highly experienced, but the one
he
> faced would probably have very few, if any, additional levels. I
> suspect if he had the proper resistances (fire resistance for the
> barrage of glowing balls, death ray resistance for the death rays)
and
> had gotten off a few undead slaying arrows from afar without the EL
> doing a fullheal, he could have taken it out.

Elementalist of level 22 already have fire resistance. (from lvl 6 as
far as I can remember)
If I did not had death ray resistance and EL cast it -- I dead. So when
I tried to do close combat I was wearing amulet against death rays
(hoping that EL will not paralyze me :) ), whenever fighting him on
distance (usually 8-12 cells away) -- I wear ankh.
But as you could notice even having every elemental resistance (some of
them enchanced) did not prevented me from receiving ~120 dam from one
spell.

I hoped that anyone could answer my questions...

Bye.
Sincerely yours, Mike.
 
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The Real J. wrote:
> Higher Game wrote:
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> Well, my winner gnomish beastfighter has been killing ELs (26 killed
so far.
> No grave robbing but ID and BDC scumming) without much problems.
Usually I
> just fill them with arrows (blessed bow and arrows) from a few spaces
away.
> Couple of times I tried meleeing them but the stat drains made me
change my
> strategy. I also killed one with acid ball (didn't have much fireball
> castings).
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> The summons are not that bad if one has invisibility, speed and
blessed
> missiles with a decent missile weapon skill. True, the EL does see
> invisible but the summons usually don't.
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I think it might be possible to clear away the summons with bolt spells
to open up an opportunity to shoot him. It would require a good deal of
speed, of course. Enough to blast the summons and fire an arrow before
the monsters can react.

Of course, clearing the summons works both ways! His death ray is an
instakill without resistance. By the way, would wearing many sources of
resistance greatly reduce the damage? An amulet of death ray resistance
combined with the sword of nonnak might be enough to face him at a
distance.
 
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Higher Game wrote:

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> The EL alone makes greater undead vaults the hardest in the game,
> capable of killing level 50 PCs who can close the gate easily.

Well, my winner gnomish beastfighter has been killing ELs (26 killed so far.
No grave robbing but ID and BDC scumming) without much problems. Usually I
just fill them with arrows (blessed bow and arrows) from a few spaces away.
Couple of times I tried meleeing them but the stat drains made me change my
strategy. I also killed one with acid ball (didn't have much fireball
castings).

The summons are not that bad if one has invisibility, speed and blessed
missiles with a decent missile weapon skill. True, the EL does see
invisible but the summons usually don't.

J.
 
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